Confirmed Trade: [VGK/STL] Ivan Barbashev for Zach Dean

[Zirakzigil]

Pretty solid pick up for the Knights. Im sure @hangman005 is happy. Prospects be damned!

 

[bert]

If you get drafted by Vegas don't ever count on playing for them. Great deal by St Louis Dean's a wrecking ball and a heck of a player.

 

[LGB]

He's not good defensively, so that really limits the types of situations you can use him in. Kind of a big knock against being "well-rounded".

What situations would you not use him in?

 

[67Blues]

He's not good defensively, so that really limits the types of situations you can use him in. Kind of a big knock against being "well-rounded".

Because by the time you hit 20, you can never learn how to play in a defensive scheme, your lot is cast.

 

[The don godfather]

Dean a solid prospect nice one for blues.

 

[PocketNines]

His defensive metrics have been bad for ages. However, some of those are misleading, so it's not the only measure. As a big Barbashev fan, I'll say that he's a good penalty killer, and he does have a 200 foot game, but it's incomplete. He goes to the right spots on the ice and he wins battles, but he often coughs up the puck in bad places that result in loss of possession or rushes against. I don't have stats to back it up, but it's my armchair belief that's why his metrics look bad: he's a poor possession player, but he's good at checking and good on the rush and around the net.

This is an overall excellent description particularly the bolded. That's exactly what it is.

I'd add that I can't shake the impression of this happening a lot during the Cup run but it being hidden because of how often Binnington saved him.

 

[Mike Liut]

Barbs is a decent player, nothing special. His main attribute is that he hits people occasionally. He’ll lay the wood to you when he can. He had 3-4 big hits yesterday vs the Pens. But he doesnt do that every game. And he’ll score here and there too. Last year was an exception, but he can chip in goals. He’s definitely not a playmaker. He’s a very useful player and his physicality was a huge factor when the Blues won the cup

 

[yurnxt]

Dean's numbers have stayed pretty much the same through 4 years in the QMJHL. That's a tell-tale sign that he will likely top out as a good AHLer. Vegas wins this one.

To be fair, the Blues can't really lose this trade because they once again turned a player who had no future with the team beyond the last 25 games of a losing regular season into future assets. It's a solid trade for both teams because both teams got what they wanted.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

To be fair, the Blues can't really lose this trade because they once again turned a player who had no future with the team beyond the last 25 games of a losing regular season into future assets. It's a solid trade for both teams because both teams got what they wanted.

This is it in a nutshell, peeps.

Barbie is an underrated smooth operator.

 

[Tender Rip]

Barbie return looks different after seeing what Jeannot went for . Man!

 

[BlueTacos]

I'm surprised Vegas couldn't get him for a 2nd(would have to be a 2024 2nd but still)

Because the price was 2 2nds lol. We got a 2021 1sr d+2 player soon to be in nhl.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

A boat's a boat but a mystery box could be anything!

Not sure where the boat is in this trade

More like a dingy is a dinghy, but a mystery box could be a yacht

 

[bossram]

Because by the time you hit 20, you can never learn how to play in a defensive scheme, your lot is cast.

I mean, he's 27 and a pending UFA. They're not acquiring him to completely re-develop his game.

What situations would you not use him in?

Defensive situations. Shutdown minutes. Wouldn't play him in the top-six either.

That basically leaves "sheltered bottom-six scorer" role at even strength.

 

[67Blues]

I mean, he's 27 and a pending UFA. They're not acquiring him to completely re-develop his game.


Defensive situations. Shutdown minutes. Wouldn't play him in the top-six either.

That basically leaves "sheltered bottom-six scorer" role at even strength.

My apologies, I thought you were talking about Dean and not Barby

 

[rumrokh]

He's not good defensively, so that really limits the types of situations you can use him in. Kind of a big knock against being "well-rounded".

There's so much more to hockey than just even strength puck possession defensive metrics. It's not just OFFENSE and DEFENSE. Most teams don't actually shut down the opposition with their bottom lines. He's a useful player in a variety of situations. That's not complete, but for a lower line player, it's well-rounded.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

I can't see Dean ever having a 60 point season like Barbashev did a couple of years back but I think this trade makes perfect sense.

 

[hangman005]

Pretty solid pick up for the Knights. Im sure @hangman005 is happy. Prospects be damned!

I don't even bother to learn our first round picks names... I know they'll be gone soon.

 

[LGB]

Defensive situations. Shutdown minutes. Wouldn't play him in the top-six either.

That basically leaves "sheltered bottom-six scorer" role at even strength.

I wouldn't want him on a transition heavy line as he can be prone to turnovers in the NZ and is sometimes late on the backcheck, but he has a lot of good defensive attributes. He is an excellent PKer, and can fit in nicely as the third wheel on a top six line that can cycle pucks. Wouldn't be surprised if he ended up excelling on a line with a strong play-driver like Eichel or Stone.

 

[n8]

It's crazy that Nicholas Hague is like the only drafted player to stick with the team. Vegas fans must think draft picks are strictly for being traded.

 

[Reality Czech]

Who was a first rounder and probably even better for the Blues considering their timeline. The irony is you wanted to be funny but in hindsight that comment has aged dramatically fast.

Don’t act dumb now.

How do you know he's acting?

 

[Reality Czech]

Barbie return looks different after seeing what Jeannot went for . Man!

Jeannot is RFA and under team control while Barbashev is UFA after the season. It's not surprising Nashville got more for their player.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Win-win deal honestly.

 

[abo9]

I can't see Dean ever having a 60 point season like Barbashev did a couple of years back but I think this trade makes perfect sense.

maybe not but is Barbashev gonna have 60 pts going forward?

In any case, its a moot point. Sounds like Barbashev would have been gone after the year so its a win for the Blues if Dean becomes a regular player in their lineup

And Vegas adds a player for their run... like you said makes perfect sense

 

[BlueOil]

In any case, its a moot point. Sounds like Barbashev would have been gone after the year so its a win for the Blues if Dean becomes a regular player in their lineup

i'm not sure where you're hearing that, but here's opposite info

 

[abo9]

i'm not sure where you're hearing that, but here's opposite info

I honestly just assumed since everyone points out that he's becoming UFA at the end of the year.

Do we know anything about why Barbashev was traded then? Obviously for the Blues it makes sense to recoup assets,then try to sign him again... he's a good player. But did Barbashev signal intent to chase money or another Cup?

They can be on good terms, but he's still gonna be UFA at the end of the day