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I saw Stone’s day timer, he has his 2026 LTIR scheduled already
Confirmed Trade: [VGK/CGY/PHI] Noah Hanifin (75% retained), Mikhail Vorobyov to VGK; 2026 1st , 2025 cond. 3rd, Daniil Miromanov to CGY; 2024 5th to PHI
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Zirakzigil
The Global Hangman wishes he could be
They award cups for cleaning out buffets now?well after winning 6 straight cups a change of scenary would be welcome
My advice would be, decline.
Agreed, but apparently there were only a small number of teams with which he would be willing to sign an extension and thus have longer-term value.
That’s RFA vs. UFA. Replace him with Chiarot for your point. Almost the same return, different tier of player.
Seravalli was pondering why the differences in return are often marginal on one of his recent pods. Pretty obvious to me. Buyers are usually contenders. Contenders generally only have trades assets of a certain quality to offer. It’s possible to overpay for something middle of the lineup in quality. They literally can’t for something high end.
Vegas/Boston/Florida/Tampa was a particularly weak mix of teams for Calgary here.
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What happens in Vegas doesn’t stay in Vegas, decline the lack of protection
I certainly don't love this trade, but I don't think it was bad either. It was light. It is missing that young prospect. Maybe an extra 2nd.
Overall, the call for Conroy to be fired are incredibly reactive. He has quietly kicked-off a rebuild. Lots of draft picks over the next 3 drafts, which I really wanted to see. We will see what the team looks like down the road, but as it stood, this was not even a bubble team any longer, just a team running on fumes without any elite talent. Now it has to go and draft a new core over the next few seasons. There is at least the hope that this team will be a competitive team/contending team down the road. There was no hope left with how this team was constructed.
Now there is a lot of room for 'cautious optimism' rather than the 'rational pessimism' that a portion of the fanbase was probably feeling.
This trade could have been better, but at the very least, it has added some much needed bullets in the chamber. This organization needs those bullets.
Overall, the call for Conroy to be fired are incredibly reactive. He has quietly kicked-off a rebuild. Lots of draft picks over the next 3 drafts, which I really wanted to see. We will see what the team looks like down the road, but as it stood, this was not even a bubble team any longer, just a team running on fumes without any elite talent. Now it has to go and draft a new core over the next few seasons. There is at least the hope that this team will be a competitive team/contending team down the road. There was no hope left with how this team was constructed.
Now there is a lot of room for 'cautious optimism' rather than the 'rational pessimism' that a portion of the fanbase was probably feeling.
This trade could have been better, but at the very least, it has added some much needed bullets in the chamber. This organization needs those bullets.
2028 7th
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Rather than blame Conroy, blame the stupidest GM in hockey, Treliving, who failed to trade him (or sign him) when he had leverage.
The local joke is: "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas. And if you believe that, ask your blue jeans."
Amen. It will be interesting to watch Treliving work his magic in Toronto.
Deep Blue Metallic
Bo knows hockey.
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People keep using this as a precedent.
Lindholm signed an 8x$6.5M contract the very next day after being traded to the Bruins. The return received by the Ducks was predicated on that happening.
Unless Hanifin shocks the hockey world by extending with VGK to be with his pal Eichel, contrary to his well publicized preference to sign with TBL, the situations are not in any way comparable.
He's a rental.
BayStBullies
Burn the Boats!
- Apr 1, 2012
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We need a Canadian team to cheat the cap so the rules can be fixed.
PromisedLand
I need more FOOD
I really feel bad for the flames and their fans. like wtf is this?
Gaudreau walked for nothing
Tkachuk return wasn't that great
now Hanifin returns all conditional crap
My condolences Flames fans. This is hard!
Gaudreau walked for nothing
Tkachuk return wasn't that great
now Hanifin returns all conditional crap
My condolences Flames fans. This is hard!
the deadline market is determined by who is best now, not who was best in previous years. The best player is the best player, and they get similar returns.
I didn't "come up" with any comparable. I provided a list of every deadline rental defenseman that returned at least a 1st round pick since 2017.
Come back when you actually understand how the trade market works.
TSN just listed Ritchie as a #6 affiliated prospect in the NHL. Brzustewicz wasn’t even listed in the top 50.
Brzustewicz Is having a very good season on a loaded team. Ritchie is carrying a so so team to the top of the OHL.
Cutter Gauthier, Alexander Nikishin lead Craig Button’s top 50 NHL-affiliated prospects list | TSN
Cutter Gauthier was in the midst of some controversy this season, but there's nothing controversial about Craig Button ranking him at No. 1.
www.tsn.ca
They are not even close to comparable. You’re overrating that guy. He’s a solid b+ guy trending well.
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I don't care about Craig Button's lists. He has a worse record than you do at evaluating prospects.
And that's fine, but with the Lindholm deal containing a multi-year cap dump of a multimillion dollar AHLer, that deal was closer to being a 1st and a 2nd than some want to admit, and the difference between a 1st and a 2nd and a first and a conditional 3rd (that can become a 2nd) is pretty minute.
You rate brew entirely too high. There was a reason he was drafted in the 3rd and a reason scouts still doubt him. I hope he works out but he lacks any one elite aspect to his game and that usually doesn't bode well, especially for a smaller dman.
Disagree. I've disagreed the whole time. Lekkerimaki is good, better than Brzustewicz. Ritchie isn't. Wait and see. He'll be a top 4 defenseman by 2026.
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I’ve lived here for almost 20 years and I’ve never heard that and don’t even know what it means haha
Not doubting you in anyway, just laughing at how we miss some stuff
Could care less. His draft record as a GM in Calgary speaks for itself. If you want some laughs go and look at his top nhl affiliated prospect list from 2014-2017. It's comically bad.
Reference to folks hitting the buffets and putting on 5 pounds before leaving town -- the 5 pounds didn't "stay in Vegas" but stressed the blue jeans on the flight or drive home.
Yeah, I hear some "new" local saying to me every week it seems. Gotta love the sense of humor around this place.
I have no idea how that condition on the first is even legal. What’s stopping teams from saying “we’ll give you this player, but if we decide someone else wants them more then we’ll give you something else.
Vegas’ success is really more about finding creative ways to abuse the system than it is building and developing a team.
Vegas’ success is really more about finding creative ways to abuse the system than it is building and developing a team.
