Confirmed Trade: [VGK/CGY/PHI] Noah Hanifin (75% retained), Mikhail Vorobyov to VGK; 2026 1st , 2025 cond. 3rd, Daniil Miromanov to CGY; 2024 5th to PHI

[Zirakzigil]

Not as long as they have Stone on the roster.lol

LTIR is technically not on the roster.

Oh wait, did you mean the Coyotes roster?

 

[Double Dion]

Might be even more ideal for the Flames. 2026 is unprotected and eventually Vegas is going to fall out of the playoffs.

I'm not so sure. If they just keep getting the cream of the crop UFAs every year for 75% of market value they might be ok. They also kept their only B+ level prospect.

 

[Figgy44]

for everyone calling this a shitty deal and saying Conroy should be fired...

Looking back at deals involving pending UFA defensemen and 1st round picks near the deadline...

• Sean Walker got a 1st, but Philly ate RyJo's contract (4m for an additional year)
• Dmitri Orlov (and Hathaway) returned a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and a nothing prospect
• Hampus Lindholm returned a 1st and 2 2nds, but Anaheim ate a multi-year cap dump
• Ben Chiarot returned a 1st, 4th and nothing prospect
• David Savard returned a 1st and 3rd
• Kevin Shattenkirk returned a 1st, Conditional 2nd (they got nothing), Zach Sanford (who was a B prospect at the time) and Brad Malone (was in the AHL and a pending UFA)

So that's going back to 2017...

Maybe the problem is more unrealistic expectations than the actual return.

I’m ok with the assets if no retention and conditions on first. But with the retention and the weird clause on the first, I'd feel better if the player was upgraded.

 

[Lunatik]

Hanifin is much better than every one of those D not named Lindholm. Very poor comparables and only further highlights how dumb Conroy is.

1. I wasn't comparing players, I was showing that teams rarely pay much more for pending UFA defensemen. I literally went back 8 deadlines (including this year). Calling a guy dumb because he didn't get the best return for a UFA defenseman in close to a decade is definitely not something one would consider a smart take.
2. Shattenkirk was absolutely a good comparable, and the hype around him was ridiculous too. There was even talks of 2 first rounders for him.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Hanifin is 27 not in his 30s. Hanifin is a lot better than most of those guys. The only ones somewhat comparable are Hampus Lindholm and Dmitri Orlov.

Deadline trade value doesn’t move in parallel with increasing player quality.

 

[Double Dion]

Deadline trade value doesn’t move in parallel with increasing player quality.

No kidding. Look at the Jeannot return. Pretty much double what we got for triple the player.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

1. I wasn't comparing players, I was showing that teams rarely pay much more for pending UFA defensemen. I literally went back 8 deadlines (including this year). Calling a guy dumb because he didn't get the best return for a UFA defenseman in close to a decade is definitely not something one would consider a smart take.
2. Shattenkirk was absolutely a good comparable, and the hype around him was ridiculous too. There was even talks of 2 first rounders for him.

You can't make such a claim while ignoring the quality of the player as quality is what determines value. To ignore that is asinine.

Shattenkirk is a terrible example as he is a poor defender and was not nearly as coveted as Hanifin is for a playoff run.

What you fail to recognize is that quality #2/#3 dman at the peak of their career don't tend to get moved at the deadline which is why you were squinting so hard to find the poor comparables that you did and is why Conroy is an unmitigated tool for accepting such a meagre return.

 

[Three On Zero]

LTIR is technically not on the roster.

Oh wait, did you mean the Coyotes roster?

That’s where “retirees” go

 

[Lunatik]

I’m ok with the assets if no retention and conditions on first. But with the retention and the weird clause on the first, I'd feel better if the player was upgraded.

Honestly retention for 2 months has almost no value. there is a reason why teams are only getting a 4th to 6th to retain 25%, and in a couple of those cases (both 4th rounders), the retaining team also sent a low prospect to the team needing retention

Where do you see Vegas in 2026? Frankly if we can get that pick unprotected, I'd be pretty happy.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Honestly retention for 2 months has almost no value. there is a reason why teams are only getting a 4th to 6th to retain 25%, and in a couple of those cases (both 4th rounders), the retaining team also sent a low prospect to the team needing retention

Where do you see Vegas in 2026? Frankly if we can get that pick unprotected, I'd be pretty happy.

New rules stipulate a player/pick has to change hands for 3rd team retention.

 

[Lunatik]

You can't make such a claim while ignoring the quality of the player as quality is what determines value. To ignore that is asinine.

Shattenkirk is a terrible example as he is a poor defender and was not nearly as coveted as Hanifin is for a playoff run

the market determines value and rentals just don't get these massive returns people expect. I bought into the hype too, but at least I pulled my head out of my ass and am looking at realty now.

 

[rt]

Type to me like I'm stupid.. how is that all Hanifin got in return?

Probably made it clear to other teams that he intends to test the market as a free agent.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

Rentals, even ones as desirable as Hanifin, don't net big returns. If he had committed to signing an 8x$xM deal with VGK sure, back up the truck.

What am I missing here?

 

[Czechboy]

Probably made it clear to other teams that he intends to test the market as a free agent.

Yup, putting it together now.lol

And an 8 team NTC

Smart agent would look at who has space and going to playoffs and put those teams on it to eliminate the market.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Maybe, but even then compared to previous pending UFA defensemen dealt for a 1st, this return is on par.

I think that Conroy came out smelling like a rose on this deal.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Conroy's hands were tied because Hanifin was only willing to land at a couple of places.

there was like 24 teams he could be traded to.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

the market determines value and rentals just don't get these massive returns people expect. I bought into the hype too, but at least I pulled my head out of my ass and am looking at realty now.

Stop referring to rentals as though "rental" is the only facor that is relevant. You are going all in/head first into apologist mode. Team's almost never trade dmen like Hanifin at the deadline who is at the peak of his game which is why you came up with such laughable comparatives.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

lol, Conroy's trades are getting worse and worse

 

[Bounces R Way]

there was like 24 teams he could be traded to.

Well they have to make an offer. And why would they make a significant one if they knew there was no hope of signing him.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I think that Conroy came out smelling like a rose on this deal.

If that rose was trampled into a neighbouring fresh load of dog sh*t.

 

[HanSolo]

Lol so if we use a first in 2024 as bait for another piece, this team seriously has no intention of rebuilding until near the end of the decade. Gonna be painful when they get to that point.

 

[Three On Zero]

there was like 24 teams he could be traded to.

Now of those 24 teams who’s going to spend assets on a player who has no intention of re-signing with you and could honestly just mail it in until the season is over and go where he wants? None

He had a contract in place with Florida, which essentially tells other teams “trade for me if you want, but I don’t give a f*** about you”

 

[RationalExpectations]

Maybe, but even then compared to previous pending UFA defensemen dealt for a 1st, this return is on par.

I d argue the return is not bad it s just on the lower end of the spectrum. Hanifin should likely be closer to Lindholm than Savard in terms of value. Same thing for Tanev should be closer to Chiarot return than what he got (but in this case it realy depends how you value the prospect I guess)

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Might be even more ideal for the Flames. 2026 is unprotected and eventually Vegas is going to fall out of the playoffs.

Right, if I were Calgary I'd want the unprotected 2026.

 

[hangman005]

Lol so if we use a first in 2024 as bait for another piece, this team seriously has no intention of rebuilding until near the end of the decade. Gonna be painful when they get to that point.

well after winning 6 straight cups a change of scenary would be welcome