Confirmed Trade: [VGK/CGY/PHI] Noah Hanifin (75% retained), Mikhail Vorobyov to VGK; 2026 1st , 2025 cond. 3rd, Daniil Miromanov to CGY; 2024 5th to PHI

[IceNeophyte]

For the record I'm ok with what Vegas is doing but this post is completely irrelevant. Vancouver is in LTIR but we cant add anyone because our guy is back before the playoffs. People are pissed if Stone and now possibly Alex both come back for the playoffs while getting tu use their 12 million to add Mantha Hanifin etc and then get them back for the playoffs.

A simple fix is players not playing game 82 cant return for the playoffs if LTIR was used with their cap that's a fair way to do it.

Martinez is not on ltir so he is not part of the calculus.

 

[pth2]

3rd team retaining. Paperwork takes time.

Plus, it's late. What are the odds that one of the teams (maybe the retaining one) had sent admin staff home earlier on ? Or the league offices ?

I mean, Bettman isn't the one scanning documents and emailing PDFs and explaining how the fax works to people, and those employees might be home.

I've seen some important things not get done as quickly as expected because the one secretary who could work the fax and the scanner had gone home.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Was under the impression Whitecloud would be in this deal, but doesn’t seem to be. That means Martinez or Whitecloud will be sitting In the playoffs. That’s criminal really.

Martinez's game has been way off and I suspect that he's been playing despite an injury. Whitecloud started the year injured and never seem to really heal up, which is not surprising since it seems that Vegas just puts him out there to draw the hard hits away from the players in a higher salary bracket, basically the goat pinata in the barnyard.

 

[Mobiandi]

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In what sense? You just traded your #1D to Vegas. You are 8 points back of Vegas with a game in hand and a head to head match up still to play. You are keeping Markstrom to "send the right message". Yet here you are celebrating Vegas playoff success

I’m doubtful if Hanifin is more than a #4, if that makes you feel better

 

[Rob Brown]

Plus, it's late. What are the odds that one of the teams (maybe the retaining one) had sent admin staff home earlier on ? Or the league offices ?

I mean, Bettman isn't the one scanning documents and emailing PDFs and explaining how the fax works to people, and those employees might be home.

I've seen some important things not get done as quickly as expected because the one secretary who could work the fax and the scanner had gone home.

Can't imagine any of the teams involved in this would send anyone critical to the deal home for the night, and equally so I can't imagine the person(s) that the deal hinges on would want to go home before it's done. IMO anyway.

 

[WhataKnight]

The hold up is Montreal is the 3rd party team and Kent Hughes needed to add some flavor to the deal with ridiculous conditions on the 4th rounder

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Do you not understand the concept of an insider?

He's not an insider, when Lebrun, or CJ, or Friedman or Dreger says something is done, it's DONE

When Weeks says something is done we have to wait 6 hours before it's done

 

[Three On Zero]

The hold up is Montreal is the 3rd party team and Kent Hughes needed to add some flavor to the deal with ridiculous conditions on the 4th rounder

Trying to get another 1st out of Monahan somehow

 

[JKG33]

He's not an insider, when Lebrun, or CJ, or Friedman or Dreger says something is done, it's DONE

When Weeks says something is done we have to wait 6 hours before it's done

But he still gets the concept of the deal ahead of time

 

[zimmy61]

There is no “unfair advantage” every team has the same advantage. Also you can’t put a cap system in the post season when players don’t get paid for playing in the post season

I think the unfairness is that a team (through shear randomness) can have a high cap star player get injured and then recover for the start of the playoffs allowing for an artifically inflated playoff cap. Although the rule applies to all teams equally, the scenario is not a common one and can result in a true unfair advantage for that team.

Hypothetical...if the league decided they were going to hold a lottery before the playoffs each year and the random winning team got to add an extra high cap player of their choice to the roster you could say such a lottery is technically fair since every team would have an equal chance at winning but you could easily argue that the existence of such a lottery wouldn't be fair at all. I think that's the point some are making.

 

[Dubcity]

He's not an insider, when Lebrun, or CJ, or Friedman or Dreger says something is done, it's DONE

When Weeks says something is done we have to wait 6 hours before it's done

Literally all those guys have reported it aswell

 

[hangman005]

Man San Jose was my favorite team for a long time until we got the Jets back and I have Vegas, so you can be sure I was rooting hard for San Jose in that series. That was an awful, awful call. With that being said bad calls happen and Vegas shouldn't have been so shaken up that they let in 4 goals in one powerplay.

I mean at least on HF you won't find a Vegas fan who won't say Vegas really shat the bed after the call... I fully agree it wasn't a major but also that we blew it as much as the call. There is probably a cluster of our more "talented" fans probably on reddit who will say it was all the league fault... but every fan base has those "high IQ" individuals

 

[Weezeric]

Your “cap hit” is accrued through the season, once your salary is paid your cap hit is 0. How do you think teams accrue cap space at the TDL for expensive players at cheaper hits?

A player entering the post season has a cap hit of 0 because they are not being paid to play hockey anymore.

You can’t predict injuries, so yes every team has LTIR available to them.

You can predict that Stone is going to be hurt for game 82 and healthy for game 1 of the playoffs.

 

[IceNeophyte]

He's not an insider, when Lebrun, or CJ, or Friedman or Dreger says something is done, it's DONE

When Weeks says something is done we have to wait 6 hours before it's done

Media members have raced to be the scoop reporter since the early newspaper days.

 

[Yepthatsme]

He's not an insider, when Lebrun, or CJ, or Friedman or Dreger says something is done, it's DONE

When Weeks says something is done we have to wait 6 hours before it's done

…that quite literally means he’s a better insider then the other names you listed. Like their job is to tell the public things before they’re made official. If he is able to say it well before other insiders could, that means he’s great at his job?

 

[Atoyot]

He's not an insider, when Lebrun, or CJ, or Friedman or Dreger says something is done, it's DONE

When Weeks says something is done we have to wait 6 hours before it's done

 

[Three On Zero]

I think the unfairness is that a team (through shear randomness) can have a high cap star player get injured and then recover for the start of the playoffs allowing for an artifically inflated playoff cap. Although the rule applies to all teams equally, the scenario is not a common one and can result in a true unfair advantage for that team.

Hypothetical...if the league decided they were going to hold a lottery before the playoffs each year and the random winning team got to add an extra high cap player of their choice to the roster you could say such a lottery is technically fair since every team would have an equal chance at winning but you could easily argue that the existence of such a lottery wouldn't be fair at all. I think that's the point some are making.

The team still needs to remain a playoff team with said star player out. It’s not an advantageous to sit your star players just to potentially pick up other players later.

Injuries happen and they are random, next season it could be Matthews or McDavid with Edmonton/Toronto being the teams spending the extra cap

 

[hangman005]

Media members have raced to be the scoop reporter since the early newspaper days.

 

[pth2]

Can't imagine any of the teams involved in this would send anyone critical to the deal home for the night, and equally so I can't imagine the person(s) that the deal hinges on would want to go home before it's done. IMO anyway.

You've never worked in an office ? The admin staff is usually completely untrained and uninterested in what the business is about - they make paperwork, work. The person who runs the accounting system doesn't care about hockey, and won't stay at the office for unpaid overtime when their family is at home.

 

[Three On Zero]

Did Dewey circumvent the cap?

 

[bruins4thecup65]

Give the cup to Vegas already. This puts them over the top.

What was the return?

 

[The Great Weal]

Trying to get another 1st out of Monahan somehow

If Miromanov plays 41 games next year and Vegas wins the cup this year or next year, the 4th they'd get as a broker becomes a 2nd

 

[Amadeus]

Give the cup to Vegas already. This puts them over the top.

What was the return?

It really doesn't work that way at all. There are plenty of teams who have a good shot of beating them.

 

[IceNeophyte]

Give the cup to Vegas already. This puts them over the top.

What was the return?

I wish we could tell you

 

[Three On Zero]

Give the cup to Vegas already. This puts them over the top.

What was the return?

Miromanov+