Proposal: Veteran top 6 winger to Pitt

[Empoleon8771]

No deal for Z, for too many reasons, including value.

How about Tatar for Maata?

or

Tatar, Mantha, Smith, 1st, 2nd, 3rd & Saarijarvi (sp) ? for Letang?

Reason the Penguins would trade Letang:

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Trade 1 - Detroit wouldn't touch that one, nor should they. I think Fehr will have a rebound season.
Trade 2 - Pittsburgh loses big time. Sharp is basically Kunitz. Niemi isn't Fleury. Not even close.
Trade 3 - way too much for Rick Nash. His stock is low and isn't worth the headache.
Trade 4 - Gaborik is GARBAGE. 12 goals last year. He isn't worth that
Trade 5 - no

Do you truly ever think about these deals? You are living in the past with all of them.

Sharp is significantly better than Kunitz. Nash had a down year but so did most of ranger offense, he is worth that package to put him with Sid or geno. Gaborik is not what he used to be but would still improve our top 6 now more than a pick in the 25-30 range. I would give up a lot for zetterberg personally, the guy is still unreal. Cammaleri was a stretch but I really like his shot

 

[DATS-O-MATIC]

Reason the Penguins would trade Letang:

...the same reasoning behind: Pouliot+Fehr for Zetterberg @ 50%.

1) that's a horrible offer for Z even if they took on his full salary.


2) not suggesting the Pens would trade Letang, just trying to establish fair value to start.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Sharp is significantly better than Kunitz. Nash had a down year but so did most of ranger offense, he is worth that package to put him with Sid or geno. Gaborik is not what he used to be but would still improve our top 6 now more than a pick in the 25-30 range. I would give up a lot for zetterberg personally, the guy is still unreal. Cammaleri was a stretch but I really like his shot

Seeing how he is a powerplay specialist (which we don't really need), playing on the team that scores the most goals in the NHL, I wouldn't call him that much of an upgrade for us.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Michalek
Marner
One of nylander or kadri
Uncle Leo
This is a season of discovery, seeing what our future can provide. JVR probably isn't in the long term plans as he's going to tie up too much cap space soon and doesn't fit our age group. I agree he's our only 1st line quality winger currently, but this team should be more concerned with eyeing toward the years beyond.

He's 26 why can't he be a part of the "years beyond"

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Do the pens really need another winger

 

[LeafsNation149]

Michalek is a solid middle six guy who can fill in on the top line when needed. Gets injured a little too often but he has a great work ethic.

Regarding Greening... I'm not surprised you have this opinion. Your team is the only one in the league who would have him in a top six role. He's bound to score playing with top six players.

You realise my team is the only team that actually has both the players right? Michalek looks like an AHL player out there while Greening actually seemed like a solid bottom 6 forward.

If the Pens want a 3M fringe NHLer be my guest, but i'm just being honest.

 

[Leafs87]

JVR for Pouliot and pieces. Retention possible depending on the plus'

Definelty not. Think maata

 

[Human]

there's no way in hell the Pens trade Letang, Maatta and Dumoulin...

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I would trade DP for Hansen in a second, if given the opportunity. You have too much faith in him. I don't have any.

Based on what?

- top 10 pick
- one of the most productive defensemen in WHL playoff history
- #1 dman for Team Canada at the WJCs
- 47 points in 68 AHL games
- 14 points in 56 NHL games

I'm not seeing where his value or potential has gone awry. A single underwhelming camp doesn't negate the rest.

 

[Canuck86]

tanguay 1yr deal

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

tanguay 1yr deal

Sign me up.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

I'd say make an offer for Scott Hartnell, but because the Pens and Jackets are in the same division, the price would be abnormally high for Hartsy.

 

[OCPenguin]

Based on what?

- top 10 pick
- one of the most productive defensemen in WHL playoff history
- #1 dman for Team Canada at the WJCs
- 47 points in 68 AHL games
- 14 points in 56 NHL games

I'm not seeing where his value or potential has gone awry. A single underwhelming camp doesn't negate the rest.

1. Draft picks have busted before. Stop the former top 10 pick BS. He was slated to go late first and Pittsburgh made a dumb move up to get him.

He isn't in the WHL anymore. Stop living in the past. Patrick Stefan was a stud in the Czech Republic before being drafted.

He is years removed from WJC days. Stop that non sense.

We are talking NHL, not AHL. Does not apply.

BFD ... he is a healthy scratch most of the time. Staff trusted a guy that was a disaster in edmonton more than DP. That should tell you something.

He hasn't done jack crap and isn't worth much in return. Those who continue to push the past with him is a joke. Call a spade a spade. I don't live in the past. I see what he has done and its not too much at all. His former coach at WBS didn't even trust him. That should tell you something.

A single underwhelming camp? It's way more than that. No one trusts him ... at all. If they did, do they resign Schultz? Nope.

 

[OCPenguin]

Sharp is significantly better than Kunitz. Nash had a down year but so did most of ranger offense, he is worth that package to put him with Sid or geno. Gaborik is not what he used to be but would still improve our top 6 now more than a pick in the 25-30 range. I would give up a lot for zetterberg personally, the guy is still unreal. Cammaleri was a stretch but I really like his shot

All of your ideas are a stretch. Let's look at reality here. Kunitz, Fluery (via trade), Scuderi money still on the books, Cullen money (assuming he retires), maybe Daley money are all needed to resign Murray, Dumo, Bonino, Sheary for starters. You deal Fleury for a pick, not in a package for someone of the same caliber, but two years younger than Kunitz.

Gaborik is a joke. Have you seen him play the last two years? Probably not. If he isn't injured, he is stealing money for worthless play with the Kings.

Nash is the biggest waste of money in the NHL and one of the most overrated players on earth.

Zetterberg, I'm a big fan of. However, he is 35; Detroit won't be dealing him and if they do, it would take something more significant than your idea. What would prompt Detroit to trade its leader for that?

You have no sense of reality to be honest. These ideas are worthless in the grand scheme of things. Patrick Sharp isn't the upgrade that you think he is over Kunitz. You realize the year before last while in Chicago, he sucked?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

1. Draft picks have busted before. Stop the former top 10 pick BS. He was slated to go late first and Pittsburgh made a dumb move up to get him.

He isn't in the WHL anymore. Stop living in the past. Patrick Stefan was a stud in the Czech Republic before being drafted.

He is years removed from WJC days. Stop that non sense.

We are talking NHL, not AHL. Does not apply.

BFD ... he is a healthy scratch most of the time. Staff trusted a guy that was a disaster in edmonton more than DP. That should tell you something.

These successes could be dismissed in isolation but not when taken together. The point is that he's succeeded and produced at every single level - ignoring that is just sticking your head in the sand.

The staff trusted Schultz because he was an established OFD who had been worn down by the burden of too many minutes and too much responsibility in Edmonton. That they prioritized him over Pouliot means nothing.

A single underwhelming camp? It's way more than that. No one trusts him ... at all. If they did, do they resign Schultz? Nope.

No, it's not.

They signed Schultz because he adds cheap and effective depth to the Pens defense. How would they spend 1.4 mil per better?

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Patrick Sharp isn't the upgrade that you think he is over Kunitz. You realize the year before last while in Chicago, he sucked?

Trevor Daley sucked in Chicago too.

If this season should have taught Pens fans anything, it's that a change of scenery can work wonders.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Gaborik? Brown?

 

[Kingspiracy]

All of your ideas are a stretch. Let's look at reality here. Kunitz, Fluery (via trade), Scuderi money still on the books, Cullen money (assuming he retires), maybe Daley money are all needed to resign Murray, Dumo, Bonino, Sheary for starters. You deal Fleury for a pick, not in a package for someone of the same caliber, but two years younger than Kunitz.

Gaborik is a joke. Have you seen him play the last two years? Probably not. If he isn't injured, he is stealing money for worthless play with the Kings.

Nash is the biggest waste of money in the NHL and one of the most overrated players on earth.

Zetterberg, I'm a big fan of. However, he is 35; Detroit won't be dealing him and if they do, it would take something more significant than your idea. What would prompt Detroit to trade its leader for that?

You have no sense of reality to be honest. These ideas are worthless in the grand scheme of things. Patrick Sharp isn't the upgrade that you think he is over Kunitz. You realize the year before last while in Chicago, he sucked?

I think you're out to lunch with those comments, Gaborik is a bit fragile, but I don't think his play has been disappointing

https://www.nhl.com/player/marian-gaborik-8468483?stats=career-r-nhl&season=20152016

27 goals in 69 games in 14/15
12 goals in 54 last year is a bit of a taper off, but no one really covered themselves with glory on the Kings.

Gabby still has some serious wheels and a great shot.

As to the proposal, I'm not sure the Kings are looking to move Gabby, We need top six guys after losing Lucic, Retaining 50% probably isn't a starter either as we are probably still looking to compete and are up against the cap.

 

[PensPlz]

Do the pens really need another winger

Have you seen our left side?

 

[WayneSid9987]

Do the pens really need another winger

Not right now.
But if the kids don't stay hot/effective and/or Kunitz shows his age, i can see JR wanting to make an addition mid-season.

JR has also said he's looking for a "LW anchor" to play with Sid or Geno for awhile now.
Hagelin isn't exactly that guy. He's more a tweener LW'er.

There really hasn't been any name pop up lately other than a couple guys in FA'y (Ericsson/Ladd) but Pens are looking for a younger guy, i'd imagine.
I'd also imagine JR would like to trade for that guy since they can't afford to pay big money in FA'y.

So any name(LW'er) that possibly pops up during the season i can see JR having strong interest in.
Like Drouin and Hagelin's names popping up last year.

 

[OCPenguin]

These successes could be dismissed in isolation but not when taken together. The point is that he's succeeded and produced at every single level - ignoring that is just sticking your head in the sand.

The staff trusted Schultz because he was an established OFD who had been worn down by the burden of too many minutes and too much responsibility in Edmonton. That they prioritized him over Pouliot means nothing.



No, it's not.

They signed Schultz because he adds cheap and effective depth to the Pens defense. How would they spend 1.4 mil per better?

Basically every first round pick has succeeded at every level, so stop with that. It doesn't add to your reasoning. He is no different than Patrick Stefan, who also had success at every level except the NHL. Reality dude.

Stop making excuses for DP and his poor camp and poor play. Simply put, the staff doesn't trust him. They trusted a bust from edmonton, over him. That should tell you something.

Pittsburgh signed Schultz because they needed someone like him ready when DP fails. You aren't going to get a stud Dman for 1.4 million.

 

[OCPenguin]

I think you're out to lunch with those comments, Gaborik is a bit fragile, but I don't think his play has been disappointing

https://www.nhl.com/player/marian-gaborik-8468483?stats=career-r-nhl&season=20152016

27 goals in 69 games in 14/15
12 goals in 54 last year is a bit of a taper off, but no one really covered themselves with glory on the Kings.

Gabby still has some serious wheels and a great shot.

As to the proposal, I'm not sure the Kings are looking to move Gabby, We need top six guys after losing Lucic, Retaining 50% probably isn't a starter either as we are probably still looking to compete and are up against the cap.

4.875 for the next five years for a declining Gaborik, one that is fragile too boot is a BAD INVESTMENT.

 

[OCPenguin]

Trevor Daley sucked in Chicago too.

If this season should have taught Pens fans anything, it's that a change of scenery can work wonders.

Daley fit into our system better than Chicago's. I believe in change of scenery deals. Doesn't mean we need to take on Patrick Sharp, who is Chris Kunitz two years younger based on who is a UFA and RFA after this season ... Sharp isn't needed - even at half the cost. I would prefer using that money to resign Murray, Dumo, Bones, Sheary than have a younger Kunitz. Almost every single one of these ideas regarding Pittsburgh are not smart or even good ideas. Its almost like people didn't look at our cap situation; who comes off the books and who needs to be resigned after this year. Not rocket science.

 

[mattgkg]

4.875 for the next five years for a declining Gaborik, one that is fragile too boot is a BAD INVESTMENT.

show us where that bad gaborik man touched you now. it'll be okay.