Proposal: Veteran top 6 winger to Pitt

[Son Goku]

Curious. How much for Zetts realistically?

 

[Kingspiracy]

4.875 for the next five years for a declining Gaborik, one that is fragile too boot is a BAD INVESTMENT.

Perhaps, but that's not the same as saying that Gaborik is a joke and he has been injured or stealing money from the Kings for the last two years is it? $4.875m for 27 goals isn't stealing money, that is cheap for a top 6 wingers, especially when you take into account that the Kings are a low scoring team. If 12 goals a season is the new gaborik, then it could be a problem.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Daley fit into our system better than Chicago's. I believe in change of scenery deals. Doesn't mean we need to take on Patrick Sharp, who is Chris Kunitz two years younger based on who is a UFA and RFA after this season ... Sharp isn't needed - even at half the cost. I would prefer using that money to resign Murray, Dumo, Bones, Sheary than have a younger Kunitz. Almost every single one of these ideas regarding Pittsburgh are not smart or even good ideas. Its almost like people didn't look at our cap situation; who comes off the books and who needs to be resigned after this year. Not rocket science.

Exactly. So what a player does in one situation doesn't necessarily mean that's what will happen here.

Sharp is and has been better than Kunitz at both ends of the ice for a long time, and has produced without the benefit of a superstar's coattails (he led the Hawks in scoring in '13-'14 - something that Kunitz couldn't dream of doing). And we aren't talking about Sharp after this season, we're talking about acquiring him this season.

Basically every first round pick has succeeded at every level, so stop with that. It doesn't add to your reasoning. He is no different than Patrick Stefan, who also had success at every level except the NHL. Reality dude.

No, every 1st round pick doesn't succeed at every level to the extent that Pouliot did. If they had, it wouldn't be impressive.

Every prospect with his track record ought to be given every opportunity to develop his talent. That you're willing to cut bait with a high-end prospect so easily just because he hasn't established himself as a regular on a contender at 22 shows how spoiled and out of touch some Pens fans are.

Defensemen who come in and earn a spot at 19 like Maatta are the exception, not the rule: see Brian Dumoulin. How stupid would it have been to give hm away in the summer of 2015?

Stop making excuses for DP and his poor camp and poor play. Simply put, the staff doesn't trust him. They trusted a bust from edmonton, over him. That should tell you something.

That you're using that as an argument against Pouliot says more about your understanding of the Pens' mindset than it does Pouliot.

Provided you were actually following the Pens at the time of your join date, if you think real hard, you might be able to remember instances where this team has brought in and trusted veteran defensemen over gifted young prospects who went on to do quite well for themselves.

 

[jmb412]

Why do some Pens think our offense is this issue? If the Pens need anything, it's a D man.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Why do some Pens think our offense is this issue? If the Pens need anything, it's a D man.

Who on our defense needs to be replaced? Nobody yet IMO.

Getting another forward would be a decent insurance if the kids don't live up to their play from last season.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Pouliot+Fehr for Zetterberg @ 50%

MAF+Kunitz for Sharp+Niemi

Kunitz+Pouliot+1st for Nash @ 50% + 3rd

Fehr+1st for Gaborik @ 50%

Pouliot+Fehr for Cammaleri @ 50%


Premise is Pitt going all in for back to back cups. Personally I would love to acquire Zetterberg, he's up there in age but his hockey IQ is off the charts and would mesh with Sid pretty well

No way? If Detroit is going to retain 50% on Zetterberg, It will take more then Pouliot+Fehr to do it. No thanks on Detroit's part most likely Zetterberg will probably only play 2 more years. He has 5 years left but the 3rd year is around $3 million and the 4th and 5th years are $1 million each no way will Zetterberg play for that he most likely will be a LTIR in a couple of years any ways as his back and knees most likely give out. Zetterberg would definitely make Pittsburgh even better he doesn't put the puck in the net like he used to. But he's still a great setup man.

 

[etm124]

Why do some Pens think our offense is this issue? If the Pens need anything, it's a D man.

Dumo - Letang
Maatta - Daley
Cole - Shultz/Pouliot

Where would they even slot in a D man? Getting another top 4 would slide down who? Dumo? Daley? Pens don't need D at the moment.

 

[SEALBound]

JVR for Pouliot and pieces. Retention possible depending on the plus'

I would love JVR but the teams are just in too different of places to be able to work a significant deal.

Also costing nowhere near the assets but admittedly more of a middle 6 than top 5, but Milan Michalek would be available from the leafs and we could easily retain for you.

TDL deal but I highly doubt it. Michalek doesn't have the wheelz to survive here.

Brouwer for Kunitz.

Not after that contract he just signed. No way. He'd be a heck of a wing for Sid's LW. Brouwer-Sid-Hornqvist is a line I'd like to see.

Why do some Pens think our offense is this issue? If the Pens need anything, it's a D man.

Because of all things, the 1/2LW spot is the teams only noticeable weakness. Our top 4 on defense is set and we have several capable bottom pairing guys.

Now, Re: Zetty, Wings don't do it. He's the face of that franchise now with Larkin right behind him. Unless he asks, he's not available. Plus with that contract, no thank you.

Also, the Penguins have a vet winger...he's name is Chris Kunitz and we already don't like him.

What about:

Niemi+Hemsky/Nuke+pick/nothing for Fleury?

 

[Juxtaposer]

Marleau, if the Sharks retained and he wanted out? I'm sure Pittsburgh would be a top destination to him. Cup favorite, place he was drafted, grew up a Lemieux fan. Only one year on his contract, so it wouldn't be a cap issue.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Marleau would be really interesting, but I'd be hesitant to trade for a guy who would likely be a pure rental. Any trade of that magnitude (both in terms of players and cap) would have to include Kunitz going the other way plus salary being retained, which will likely drastically shoot up the price. I think Marleau would have to pull an Iginla for him to come to Pittsburgh.

I'd probably be more interested in Marleau as an UFA after next season if guys like Guentzel, Simon or Wilson haven't claimed a top-6 LW spot yet.

 

[SEALBound]

Marleau would be really interesting, but I'd be hesitant to trade for a guy who would likely be a pure rental. Any trade of that magnitude (both in terms of players and cap) would have to include Kunitz going the other way plus salary being retained, which will likely drastically shoot up the price. I think Marleau would have to pull an Iginla for him to come to Pittsburgh.

I'd probably be more interested in Marleau as an UFA after next season if guys like Guentzel, Simon or Wilson haven't claimed a top-6 LW spot yet.

Why would we do this though? In the SCF, Marleau was absolutely irrelevant. As much as I don't like Kunitz, Kunitz was more of a factor than Marleau was...and cost $2.15mil less.

I'd much rather give that slot to a young guy.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Marleau, if the Sharks retained and he wanted out? I'm sure Pittsburgh would be a top destination to him. Cup favorite, place he was drafted, grew up a Lemieux fan. Only one year on his contract, so it wouldn't be a cap issue.

Provided we moved Kunitz elsewhere for futures, I'd move a 2nd in 2017 and a 3rd in 2018 for Marleau @ 3.9 mil per, with a condition that the 2nd would turn into a 1st if we made the SCF.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Why would we do this though? In the SCF, Marleau was absolutely irrelevant. As much as I don't like Kunitz, Kunitz was more of a factor than Marleau was...and cost $2.15mil less.

I'd much rather give that slot to a young guy.

If you're using the SCF to judge Sharks, may as well trade everyone but Jones and Hertl for peanuts. I mean, Pavelski contributed less than Bryan Rust, for god's sake.

 

[Riptide]

Pouliot+Fehr for Zetterberg @ 50%

MAF+Kunitz for Sharp+Niemi

Kunitz+Pouliot+1st for Nash @ 50% + 3rd

Fehr+1st for Gaborik @ 50%

Pouliot+Fehr for Cammaleri @ 50%


Premise is Pitt going all in for back to back cups. Personally I would love to acquire Zetterberg, he's up there in age but his hockey IQ is off the charts and would mesh with Sid pretty well

Jesus some of these... I should say most of these are absolutely awful and make no sense for Pittsburgh. The only one that does is MAF/Kunitz for Niemi/Sharp, and then I'd question how willing DAL would be to do something liek that.

 

[Riptide]

If things go poo poo for the Jets then Stafford is probably available at the TD.

I assume his cap hit doesn't work too well for the Pens as an offseason addition.

TD or offseason, it won't make a difference as PIT will be into LTIR space anyway... which as they'll be right up against their limit, it'll be dollars out for dollars in, if any major pieces are coming back.

 

[Riptide]

Trade 2 - Pittsburgh loses big time. Sharp is basically Kunitz. Niemi isn't Fleury. Not even close.

Do you truly ever think about these deals? You are living in the past with all of them.

Does he ever think about any of the crap proposals he posts?

Sharp is Kunitz? He's younger, faster and more skilled then Kunitz has ever been. And while MAF>AN value wise, the fact that Niemi is cheaper and doesn't have to be protected in an expansion draft holds it's own value. I doubt DAL would do this, but I'd do it all day long if it was an option.

You deal Fleury for a pick, not in a package for someone of the same caliber, but two years younger than Kunitz.

You have no sense of reality to be honest. These ideas are worthless in the grand scheme of things. Patrick Sharp isn't the upgrade that you think he is over Kunitz. You realize the year before last while in Chicago, he sucked?

In an ideal world, sure. But the odds of that being a realistic option are not all that good now that Calgary decided to go with Elliot.

Wait, he sucked the year before last? You mean when he had a leg injury and missed a decent chunk of the start of the season? Oh and still managed to our produce Kunitz, while missing 14 games? He scored 16 goals and 43 points in 68 games - good for a 19g/51pt pace.

 

[Remember2004]

Pouliot+Fehr for Zetterberg @ 50%

MAF+Kunitz for Sharp+Niemi

Kunitz+Pouliot+1st for Nash @ 50% + 3rd

Fehr+1st for Gaborik @ 50%

Pouliot+Fehr for Cammaleri @ 50%


Premise is Pitt going all in for back to back cups. Personally I would love to acquire Zetterberg, he's up there in age but his hockey IQ is off the charts and would mesh with Sid pretty well

One of these things are not like the other...

 

[SEALBound]

If you're using the SCF to judge Sharks, may as well trade everyone but Jones and Hertl for peanuts. I mean, Pavelski contributed less than Bryan Rust, for god's sake.

Pavelski isn't 36 and worth $6mil against the cap...

I would take Danskoi for peanuts