Confirmed Signing with Link: Vesey signs with the New York Rangers Part 2

[Baemon Severson*]

An Elite prospect? Nope.

A top prospect? Yup.

Which prospects do you feel are better than Vesey? Should be a short list considering he's a "top" prospect.

 

[varano]

An Elite prospect? Nope.

A top prospect? Yup.

lol What??? Vesey is just a guy. He was drafted in the third round and is 23 entering the league.

Calling him a top prospect is what a rangers fan would value him at.

Elite prospect would be top 1-5 in the first round of a draft. top prospect would be 5-15 at best....

 

[GAGLine]

lol What??? Vesey is just a guy. He was drafted in the third round and is 23 entering the league.

Calling him a top prospect is what a rangers fan would value him at.

Elite prospect would be top 1-5 in the first round of a draft. top prospect would be 5-15 at best....

So draft position is the only thing that determines whether a play is elite or not?

 

[varano]

So draft position is the only thing that determines whether a play is elite or not?

How many goals has he scored in the NHL so far at the tender age of 23?

 

[MardyBum]

Vesey would have been a good signing for 25 teams in the league. Congrats to the rangers for getting him.

He would have been a good signing for every team, it's a free asset.

There are just fans of teams that couldnt care if they got him or not because they dont believe he'll be great or don't think they even had room for him.

 

[GAGLine]

How many goals has he scored in the NHL so far at the tender age of 23?

The same number as Matthews.

 

[aufheben]

lol What??? Vesey is just a guy. He was drafted in the third round and is 23 entering the league.

Calling him a top prospect is what a rangers fan would value him at.

Elite prospect would be top 1-5 in the first round of a draft. top prospect would be 5-15 at best....

Oh, well in that case.

Typical Rangers, go out and sign an adult male.

I'm guessing other parts of their games are equal then.

Aren't you just proving his point?

 

[Slot]

He would have been a good signing for every team, it's a free asset.

There are just fans of teams that couldnt care if they got him or not because they dont believe he'll be great or don't think they even had room for him.

For sure every team would like him but there are a few where he wouldn't fit logistically either because there are too many incumbents that he'd have to fight for ice time or because they would have trouble absorbing another bonus laden contract under the cap.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

How many goals has he scored in the NHL so far at the tender age of 23?

As many as Panarin at the tender age of 23

 

[The Assclown]

The same number as Matthews.

Comparing the first overall pick to Vesey?

 

[GAGLine]

Comparing the first overall pick to Vesey?

Only so far as neither has scored a goal in the NHL.

 

[Trapper]

It was a good signing for the Rangers. They need to replenish the system and bring in some young guys.

At the end of the day we need the franchises like NY,Montreal,Toronto to be successful, they are your billion dollar franchises and drive the league revenue. If you like hockey and the continued success of it, keep it strong.

 

[The Assclown]

Only so far as neither has scored a goal in the NHL.

I'm guessing other parts of their games are equal then.

 

[EichHart]

lol What??? Vesey is just a guy. He was drafted in the third round and is 23 entering the league.

Calling him a top prospect is what a rangers fan would value him at.

Elite prospect would be top 1-5 in the first round of a draft. top prospect would be 5-15 at best....

Draft position doesn't always equate to being a top prospect. Some 2nd/3rd and even later round picks are top prospects. Johnny G was a top 3-5 prospect before he entered the NHL.

 

[Uncle Dru]

No **** every team wanted to sign Vesey. It's a free good prospect. I'm not sweating it as a Devils fan because it's not even entirely evident he is better than Boucher, but who wouldn't want more "lottery tickets"? I don't know if he saw the competition and thought the same thing but it seems he wanted guaranteed playing time (which he has the right to ask for). He wouldn't have played in our top 6 for awhile as he isn't even close to Cammalleri or Hall.

People just think it's funny considering the Rangers have nothing for prospects (aside from Buch and Skjei, who probably wont be anything better than second liners/pairing dmen). Meanwhile, he could've been in Buffalo or NYI, where the future is undoubtedly brighter. The Rangers had a garbage defense, lost their best transition dman in Yandle, and rely a ton on a 34 year old goalie. Who knows how many more elite/very good years he has left? Yes, the Rangers have good young forwards, but no one really jumps out at you. There is no Tavares, Eichel or Hall.




Maybe you should read the original comment. A Rangers fan used that link (which was actually from February, but still garbage nonetheless) as evidence that Vesey is an elite prospects.

A bit of a cop out...the potential is certainly there to be first line/first pair players. Would you say the same thing about Zacha?

Agree though from the Devils top 9 standpoint, not sure he'd surpass Boucher and the Rangers definitely have an opening at the 3rd line LW spot. Still, he's not cracking the Rangers' top 6 for some time either.

 

[GAGLine]

I'm guessing other parts of their games are equal then.

I'm not sure why you are trying to put words in my mouth. Read what the other poster wrote that I responded to. If you are having trouble understanding the point I was making, let me know and I'll try to explain it using smaller words.

 

[aufheben]

No **** every team wanted to sign Vesey. It's a free good prospect. I'm not sweating it as a Devils fan because it's not even entirely evident he is better than Boucher, but who wouldn't want more "lottery tickets"? I don't know if he saw the competition and thought the same thing but it seems he wanted guaranteed playing time (which he has the right to ask for). He wouldn't have played in our top 6 for awhile as he isn't even close to Cammalleri or Hall.

People just think it's funny considering the Rangers have nothing for prospects (aside from Buch and Skjei, who probably wont be anything better than second liners/pairing dmen). Meanwhile, he could've been in Buffalo or NYI, where the future is undoubtedly brighter. The Rangers had a garbage defense, lost their best transition dman in Yandle, and rely a ton on a 34 year old goalie. Who knows how many more elite/very good years he has left? Yes, the Rangers have good young forwards, but no one really jumps out at you. There is no Tavares, Eichel or Hall. .

That didn't work out so well for Justin Schultz.

The Rangers are a lot closer to being a contender than the Sabres. Eichel is one player, the Rangers will very likely be top-10 in goals again. No elite forwards but they have a lot of skill spread out through their top-9. If they manage to say sign Shattenkirk in a year, they go right back to being contenders. A lot less holes to fill than most teams in the league.

 

[ck26]

I love the complete 180 regarding Vesey's talent ever since he signed with the Rangers. Classic.

Look, nobody expects him to be a 50-goal scorer or an elite forward. But signing a guy like Vesey, who is very likely to be at least a solid middle-six player, is something any team should try to do. It's a player that does not cost any assets and makes just 925k a year because it is an entry level contract.

You should probably consult a dictionary and make sure your understanding of the terms "most" and "least" is up to the North American English standard.

Look back at a history of 4th year Hobey Baker winners. It's Chris Drury, Brendan Morrison, Brian Holzinger, Scott Pellerin, Kip Miller and a bunch of guys you've never heard of. When Scott Pellerin and Kip Miller are your success stories, "very likely to be at least a solid middle six player" sounds like a hell of a stretch. I give Vesey about a 25% chance to play 200 NHL games, and less than that of being a real impact player in the NHL. That this thread has more than 1,000 posts is amazing ...

 

[CupsOverCash]

I'm happy that he went to the Rangers and not the Pens or Hawks. As if those teams need anymore talent.

 

[aufheben]

You should probably consult a dictionary and make sure your understanding of the terms "most" and "least" is up to the North American English standard.

Look back at a history of 4th year Hobey Baker winners. It's Chris Drury, Brendan Morrison, Brian Holzinger, Scott Pellerin, Kip Miller and a bunch of guys you've never heard of. When Scott Pellerin and Kip Miller are your success stories, "very likely to be at least a solid middle six player" sounds like a hell of a stretch. I give Vesey about a 25% chance to play 200 NHL games, and less than that of being a real impact player in the NHL. That this thread has more than 1,000 posts is amazing ...

Are you basing this on Hobey Baker winners? That seems like a pretty trivial way of evaluating a player.

 

[ck26]

Are you basing this on Hobey Baker winners? That seems like a pretty trivial way of evaluating a player.

If you believe in PCS percentage, those numbers are pretty similar. Hobey Baker freshmen are future NHL stars. Hobey Baker seniors are fine NCAA hockey players.

 

[Uncle Dru]

If you believe in PCS percentage, those numbers are pretty similar. Hobey Baker freshmen are future NHL stars. Hobey Baker seniors are fine NCAA hockey players.

This ignores his performance during his junior year

 

[bigdog16]

If you believe in PCS percentage, those numbers are pretty similar. Hobey Baker freshmen are future NHL stars. Hobey Baker seniors are fine NCAA hockey players.

You fail to recognize that without Eichel's miraculous freshmen season, Vesey would have very easily won back to back Hobeys

 

[Roo Mad Bro]

I only brought up Boucher because ECL (or whatever his name is today) accused me of being mad about the Devils not signing him. I explained how it wasn't even evident Vesey would crack NJ's top 9.

Just a few days ago you said how it'd be a heist if the Devils got him as he'd be a top 9 (maybe top 6) forward.

 

[Baemon Severson*]

That didn't work out so well for Justin Schultz.

The Rangers are a lot closer to being a contender than the Sabres. Eichel is one player, the Rangers will very likely be top-10 in goals again. No elite forwards but they have a lot of skill spread out through their top-9. If they manage to say sign Shattenkirk in a year, they go right back to being contenders. A lot less holes to fill than most teams in the league.

I disagree. If they get Shattenkirk in a year, Lundqvist will be one year older, probably worse. Shattenkirk isn't as good as Yandle, who they didn't replace. They do have very good depth at forward, however. I just don't see the Rangers improving on their possession game, which is weak.

Just a few days ago you said how it'd be a heist if the Devils got him as he'd be a top 9 (maybe top 6) forward.

Yes, once again, he was a free good prospect. Whatever team he chose was getting a good player. He, Hall, Cammalleri or Boucher would've had to move to their off wing, which who knows how well that would've worked. It still would've been a good gamble