Confirmed Signing with Link: Vesey signs with the New York Rangers Part 2

[One Winged Angel]

I guess it is a compliment to Boston (and other finalists) that he wouldn't sign. He is saying the B's (and others) are too deep and bright with prospects/players for him to make easy $$ and have a predetermined role lined up.

In hindsight NY is the perfect team for him. Might have been smarter to go to Crosby or Kane if he wants the paydays, but NYR will be able to guarantee him a long term future in the top lines.

He underestimated himself -- he would have done just fine anywhere and will someday be a good player for the NYR.

Yeah let's just take shots at the Rangers when the Bruins didn't even make the playoffs.

The arroagance is astounding.

 

[JT Kreider]

I guess it is a compliment to Boston (and other finalists) that he wouldn't sign. He is saying the B's (and others) are too deep and bright with prospects/players for him to make easy $$ and have a predetermined role lined up.

In hindsight NY is the perfect team for him. Might have been smarter to go to Crosby or Kane if he wants the paydays, but NYR will be able to guarantee him a long term future in the top lines.

He underestimated himself -- he would have done just fine anywhere and will someday be a good player for the NYR.

Or maybe he saw that the Bruins are dead in the water.

[mod]

 

[Clark Kellogg]

do you guys think the rangers have 9 players that can score 20 goals?

I believe the record is 11 players on one team (77-78 Bruins), if I am wrong someone correct me, I would like to know.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

do you guys think the rangers have 9 players that can score 20 goals?

I'll break it down from my POV.

Likely:

Zuccarello
Zibanejad
Kreider
Glass
Stepan
Nash

Possibly:

Miller
Hayes
Vesey


Unlikely, but still possible:

Buchnevich
Lindberg
Fast

Less than 5%:

Gerbe
Jooris
Grabner

I'd say 6-7 is fairly realistic barring injuries.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

do you guys think the rangers have 9 players that can score 20 goals?

Players who have scored 20 goals in a season:

Kreider
Miller
Nash
Stepan
Zuccarello
Zibanejad

That's 6.

Players who can potentially score 20 goals:

Hayes
Buchnevich
Vesey

 

[RangerBoy]

No rational human being is signing with the Devils or the Islanders when they have an opportunity to sign with the Rangers.

I love all of the talk now. Vesey is a bum and we don't need him. You were saying the opposite 3 days ago. We don't need Vesey because it will take away minutes from Boucher and Blandisi. That's not what Shero,Fitzgerald and Hynes were thinking. Vesey is perfect fit because Hynes played with Donatelli at BU. Fitzgerald knows the Vesey family. Fitzgerald and Kevin Hayes are cousins on the mother's side. He is 0 for 2. He struck out with Hayes in 2014 and with Vesey.

Nashville wanted to sign Vesey. Buffalo traded for his rights. The following teams met with Vesey

Rangers
Hawks
Bruins
Leafs
Pitt
Jersey
Long Island

That's 9

The Flyers,Red Wings,Carolina and Columbus wanted to meet with Vesey. He didn't want to play far from home.

That's 13. Vesey could have met with every team in the NHL if he wanted to.

The narrative is Vesey now sucks because he signed with the Rangers. Very mature point of view. Tavares called Vesey but the Islanders don't need Vesey. Why the **** did Tavares call Vesey if Vesey sucks and the Islanders are better off without him? Garth Snow went to Foxboro to see Vesey play in a summer hockey league.

Shanahan is also 0 for 2 this summer. He struck out on Stamkos and Vesey.

 

[Tender Rip]

I find it utterly hilarious that so many are ticked off that NY is nearly always an attractive destination. Sure, Vesey could have LIKELY made a better career move looking at the Rangers ummediate prospects. Sure, he could have higher discretionary income and savnings elsewhere.... Yes, yes.

But it is NY! The Big Apple. Love it or hate it, its a draw, and more so for a kid with money. Its just how it is. Congrats Blue shirts.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I love the complete 180 regarding Vesey's talent ever since he signed with the Rangers. Classic.

Look, nobody expects him to be a 50-goal scorer or an elite forward. But signing a guy like Vesey, who is very likely to be at least a solid middle-six player, is something any team should try to do. It's a player that does not cost any assets and makes just 925k a year because it is an entry level contract.

 

[eco's bones]

and this list is garbage. http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.436669

how do you justify putting 22 year old Vesey ahead of all these younger prospects he was clearly worse than at the same age? half of those guys will be considered complete busts if they aren't tearing up the NHL by 22...

Button has lost his mind.

If you're a serious hockey fan at all (for more than a couple years anyway) and if you've ever been over on TSN"s NHL page you must know that Button's draft and prospect rankings are pretty much outliers to anyone else. I mean Jesus Christ--to make a ****ing big deal out of that like you and that Devils fan are doing is just ridiculous. It's like you don't have a clue about TSN NHL or Button at all. Most hockey fans and hockey people don't take Button that seriously.

Pretty much every team in the league was interested in signing Vesey. So yeah---he might not be as good as Reid Boucher?--or couldn't make the Bruins?--keep on thinking that if it makes you feel better about your team not signing him (though they both wanted to). I don't think too many Rangers fan are thinking he's going to become a superstar but a really good player--that should happen.

 

[FLYLine27*]

I guess it is a compliment to Boston (and other finalists) that he wouldn't sign. He is saying the B's (and others) are too deep and bright with prospects/players for him to make easy $$ and have a predetermined role lined up.

In hindsight NY is the perfect team for him. Might have been smarter to go to Crosby or Kane if he wants the paydays, but NYR will be able to guarantee him a long term future in the top lines.

He underestimated himself -- he would have done just fine anywhere and will someday be a good player for the NYR.

Nope, don't think he said that.

You're still pretty fired up he didn't sign with ya, huh?

 

[SuperUnknown]

Wouldn't it be better if Vesey played a year in the AHL?

 

[The Old Master]

In hindsight NY is the perfect team for him. Might have been smarter to go to Crosby or Kane if he wants the paydays, but NYR will be able to guarantee him a long term future in the top lines.
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he will make a lot more money doing ad's in nyc, than any where else......at least in the short term.

 

[Shootertooter]

Or maybe he saw that the Bruins are dead in the water.

[mod]

That likely had something to do with it.

 

[Weltschmerz]

I'll break it down from my POV.

Likely:

Zuccarello
Zibanejad
Kreider
Glass
Stepan
Nash

Possibly:

Miller
Hayes
Vesey


Unlikely, but still possible:

Buchnevich
Lindberg
Fast

Less than 5%:

Gerbe
Jooris
Grabner

I'd say 6-7 is fairly realistic barring injuries.

I get you are joking with Glass, but how are Fast and Lindberg more likely than Grabner to get 20?

 

[Baemon Severson*]

No rational human being is signing with the Devils or the Islanders when they have an opportunity to sign with the Rangers.

I love all of the talk now. Vesey is a bum and we don't need him. You were saying the opposite 3 days ago. We don't need Vesey because it will take away minutes from Boucher and Blandisi. That's not what Shero,Fitzgerald and Hynes were thinking. Vesey is perfect fit because Hynes played with Donatelli at BU. Fitzgerald knows the Vesey family. Fitzgerald and Kevin Hayes are cousins on the mother's side. He is 0 for 2. He struck out with Hayes in 2014 and with Vesey.

Nashville wanted to sign Vesey. Buffalo traded for his rights. The following teams met with Vesey

Rangers
Hawks
Bruins
Leafs
Pitt
Jersey
Long Island

That's 9

The Flyers,Red Wings,Carolina and Columbus wanted to meet with Vesey. He didn't want to play far from home.

That's 13. Vesey could have met with every team in the NHL if he wanted to.

The narrative is Vesey now sucks because he signed with the Rangers. Very mature point of view. Tavares called Vesey but the Islanders don't need Vesey. Why the **** did Tavares call Vesey if Vesey sucks and the Islanders are better off without him? Garth Snow went to Foxboro to see Vesey play in a summer hockey league.

Shanahan is also 0 for 2 this summer. He struck out on Stamkos and Vesey.

No **** every team wanted to sign Vesey. It's a free good prospect. I'm not sweating it as a Devils fan because it's not even entirely evident he is better than Boucher, but who wouldn't want more "lottery tickets"? I don't know if he saw the competition and thought the same thing but it seems he wanted guaranteed playing time (which he has the right to ask for). He wouldn't have played in our top 6 for awhile as he isn't even close to Cammalleri or Hall.

People just think it's funny considering the Rangers have nothing for prospects (aside from Buch and Skjei, who probably wont be anything better than second liners/pairing dmen). Meanwhile, he could've been in Buffalo or NYI, where the future is undoubtedly brighter. The Rangers had a garbage defense, lost their best transition dman in Yandle, and rely a ton on a 34 year old goalie. Who knows how many more elite/very good years he has left? Yes, the Rangers have good young forwards, but no one really jumps out at you. There is no Tavares, Eichel or Hall.

Maybe you should read the original comment. A Rangers fan used that link (which was actually from February, but still garbage nonetheless) as evidence that Vesey is an elite prospects.

 

[Slot]

and this list is garbage. http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.436669

how do you justify putting 22 year old Vesey ahead of all these younger prospects he was clearly worse than at the same age? half of those guys will be considered complete busts if they aren't tearing up the NHL by 22...

Button has lost his mind.

He's no longer an NHL exec for a reason. Although his draft rankings are usually pretty good his talent evaluation thereafter is suspect.

 

[GAGLine]

Wouldn't it be better if Vesey played a year in the AHL?

Better for whom? Everyone says he is NHL ready. Why waste a year of his ELC? If he comes to camp and shows that he isn't ready, that's another story, but right now the expectation is that he will start in the NHL.

 

[varano]

Wouldn't it be better if Vesey played a year in the AHL?

He's too old. Its either NHL or bust for this guy . You put him in the AHL for a year, he's going to be 24 when he comes out......I'm leaning towards bust.

 

[Brock Radunske]

I can't blame Vesey for signing there....I mean who wouldn't want to?
But I don't think anyone honestly believes that the Rangers will do anything in his tenure there.

 

[McSuper]

Haha, yes, I'm the only one spitting hot takes, when you agree with a list that precludes Zacha from a top 50 prospects list.

Also, look at what Boucher did to the AHL in his early 20s and how he was .5ppg on the Devils, who couldn't score. Try to explain how Vesey is definitely better than him atm. This should be good.

As an Neutral fan . I don't know who is better but to me and keep in mind this is only looking at stats as I never seen Vesey play but his stats seem ok , nothing special , seem on par with Cagguila who the Oilers signed with a lot less hype . It is still a good signing for the NYR a free asset is always a welcome addition to any team .

As for Boucher this thread is not about him but it will take 2 plus years to know who is the better player . Can't go by an example size stint in the NHL or go by college stats .

Good no risk signing for the NYR no matter how you try and spin it

 

[garyturner3]

I love the complete 180 regarding Vesey's talent ever since he signed with the Rangers. Classic.

Look, nobody expects him to be a 50-goal scorer or an elite forward. But signing a guy like Vesey, who is very likely to be at least a solid middle-six player, is something any team should try to do. It's a player that does not cost any assets and makes just 925k a year because it is an entry level contract.

Or......you think it's possible that there's more than one person's opinion on here? There were plenty that thought he was great before he signed and there were plenty that thought he was overrated. Same is true after he signed. People just love to cherry pick comments and then generalize with them so they can claim fans have "done a 180". I challenge you to find a single poster that has changed his/her opinion on his talent level since he signed.

 

[McSuper]

I've been watching Vesey since his freshman year. He's a beast. Nuff said. Congrats to NYR, thankfully it wasn't Chicago

I only look at his stats never seen him play . His stats did nothing for me . Looks ok not great . What does he bring to the table that makes him better then say Cagguila . I know he bigger but outside of that ?

 

[Baemon Severson*]

As an Neutral fan . I don't know who is better but to me and keep in mind this is only looking at stats as I never seen Vesey play but his stats seem ok , nothing special , seem on par with Cagguila who the Oilers signed with a lot less hype . It is still a good signing for the NYR a free asset is always a welcome addition to any team .

As for Boucher this three is not about him but it will take 2 plus years to know who is the better player . Can go by an example size stint in the NHL or go by college stats .

Good no risk signing for the NYR no matter how you try and spin it

I only brought up Boucher because ECL (or whatever his name is today) accused me of being mad about the Devils not signing him. I explained how it wasn't even evident Vesey would crack NJ's top 9.

 

[Slot]

Vesey would have been a good signing for 25 teams in the league. Congrats to the rangers for getting him.

 

[FLYLine27*]

No **** every team wanted to sign Vesey. It's a free good prospect. I'm not sweating it as a Devils fan because it's not even entirely evident he is better than Boucher, but who wouldn't want more "lottery tickets"? I don't know if he saw the competition and thought the same thing but it seems he wanted guaranteed playing time (which he has the right to ask for). He wouldn't have played in our top 6 for awhile as he isn't even close to Cammalleri or Hall.

People just think it's funny considering the Rangers have nothing for prospects (aside from Buch and Skjei, who probably wont be anything better than second liners/pairing dmen). Meanwhile, he could've been in Buffalo or NYI, where the future is undoubtedly brighter. The Rangers had a garbage defense, lost their best transition dman in Yandle, and rely a ton on a 34 year old goalie. Who knows how many more elite/very good years he has left? Yes, the Rangers have good young forwards, but no one really jumps out at you. There is no Tavares, Eichel or Hall.




Maybe you should read the original comment. A Rangers fan used that link (which was actually from February, but still garbage nonetheless) as evidence that Vesey is an elite prospects.

An Elite prospect? Nope.

A top prospect? Yup.