Post-Game Talk: #VegasStronger - Golden Knights 3, Jets 2 (OT)

[KingBogo]

Remember when Maurice put players on Wheeler's line so that they would learn how to play an aggressive hard-driving game? Now it seems that his tentative approach is seeping into Laine's game. Split them up. I'd put Laine with Copp at C at this point. Wheeler thinks that centers glide around protecting the middle of the ice, apparently.

Hard to comment on the OT because it's always a bit of a gong show. Buff got tired and let Perron walk in and wire one. Oh, well.

Roslovic and Connor had great games. Bright future for those two.

Meh, a point without Scheifele, Trouba, Kulikov is okay at this point.

Hope Lowry isn't out long. Glad the Jets have Copp.

IMO this team really needs the return of Scheifele. Wheeler needs to be back on wing. And agreed on Copp. He is turning into a pretty versatile player for us.

 

[Hunter368]

Exciting OT and we gained 3 out of 4 possible points from the top two teams in the NHL.

 

[Zhamnov10]

I like armia as much as the next guy but come on. 24 years old. 10 points 2 years ago, then 20 last year and probably reaches 30 this year.

I mean that's fine and pretty good for a bottom 6 guy that fills a niche role but if he's in your top 6 you are Arizona

Well he is playing in the bottom 6 what do you expect he should be getting for points.Also on the power play the role they have him in is to retrieve the puck in the corner and be a net front presence which I think is his worse aspect of his game they are not deploying him properly.Go through the NHL teams and look at the wingers in the top6 and you will find a lot of Bryan Rust,Ryan spooner’s the list goes on.

 

[Whileee]

Any word on Lowry?

 

[Ippenator]

The shorthanded goal was irrelevant? Wow. Laine and Wheeler were both atrocious on it. Go watch the highlights and educate yourself.

Laine’s mistake was recovered and by no means was in that way a really bad one. A mistake for sure and sloppy play but the goal was completely and only Wheeler’s fault not a single other player can be blamed for any part of that happening. Just unexcusably sloppy and disgusting play by Wheeler, and even how much some people want to blame even Laine for that goal, it is just plain and simple only Wheeler’s fault. Period.

 

[Hammer Slammer]

Hope Lowry is okay, Dennis mentioned he wasn't out for some of the 3rd but didn't hear anything after that.

 

[Hammer Slammer]

 

[sipowicz]

Winnipeg Free Press Retweeted
Mike McIntyre@mikemcintyrewpg
Replying to @mikemcintyrewpg
More #NHLJets coach Paul Maurice: "What are we going to do with our goalies now. The puck's loose in the crease, so swing away? We can’t have people swinging at our goalie’s heads. You can’t allow that to creep into the game." #wfp

Take Me Out to the Hockey Game


For it's one, two, three strikes at the goalies head, you're out,
At the good old hockey game.

 

[Aavco Cup]

this will be a story for a while

 

[Board Bard]

Lsine’s mistake was regovred and by no means was in that way a really bad one. A mistake for sure and sloppy play. It the goal was completely and only Wheeler’s fault not a single other player can be blamed for any part of thst happening. Just unexcusably sloppy and disgusting play by Wheeler, and even how much some people want to blame even Laine for that goal, it is just plain and simple only Wheeler’s fault. Period.

If Laine doesn't play amateur hour on his flubbed breakout, the puck's not in a position for Wheeler to make his stupid gaffe. They're both to blame for that putrid series.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Hope Lowry is okay, Dennis mentioned he wasn't out for some of the 3rd but didn't hear anything after that.

Lowry had 3 bad things happen to him.
Puck in the face, I actually can't remember what the second one was (just that he was grimacing going to the bench.
BUT the play that took him out was a collision with Engellend on his last shift. He had crushed Engellend earlier in the game in the offensive corner. On the "bad collision" the camera just missed it but I could see it about to happen. I don't think Lowry saw it coming until it was too late.

Sucks but he's likely out for a bit again.

 

[Duke749]

God that officiating was annoying. So much let go it just makes the game a joke.

 

[Aavco Cup]

God that officiating was annoying. So much let go it just makes the game a joke.

We deserved at least a makeup call. They must have seen the missed slash at least a dozen times on video

 

[Duke749]

We deserved at least a makeup call. They must have seen the missed slash at least a dozen times on video

Shit I’m talking about all game too. Especially the 3rd and OT. Yuck!

 

[Aavco Cup]

Lsine’s mistake was regovred and by no means was in that way a really bad one. A mistake for sure and sloppy play. It the goal was completely and only Wheeler’s fault not a single other player can be blamed for any part of thst happening. Just unexcusably sloppy and disgusting play by Wheeler, and even how much some people want to blame even Laine for that goal, it is just plain and simple only Wheeler’s fault. Period.

We win and lose as a team. I don't know why you always want to blame every goal on a single player. It's ridiculous

 

[Roughneck1]

I agree h

It wasn't his best game yet far but he's had some worse games IMO[/

Yeah he might have had worse defensive games but I’ve never seen him so behihind the play all game. Wheeler had a few moments that were actually good in the O-zone. Don’t want to be too negative just felt Laine was really off. Laine did have some really good games in the last five games so whatever.
Kudos to the Knights their power play was good. Really smooth and quick at moving the puck. Almost seems they play without any pressure. I just can’t believe that team is doing as well as they’re doing.

 

[kanadalainen]

Lowry had 3 bad things happen to him.
Puck in the face, I actually can't remember what the second one was (just that he was grimacing going to the bench.
BUT the play that took him out was a collision with Engellend on his last shift. He had crushed Engellend earlier in the game in the offensive corner. On the "bad collision" the camera just missed it but I could see it about to happen. I don't think Lowry saw it coming until it was too late.

Sucks but he's likely out for a bit again.

Man, I hope you are wrong. AND I hope its not a reinjury.

 

[Heldig]

That is a pretty good quote.

 

[Saintb]

Lowry had 3 bad things happen to him.
Puck in the face, I actually can't remember what the second one was (just that he was grimacing going to the bench.
BUT the play that took him out was a collision with Engellend on his last shift. He had crushed Engellend earlier in the game in the offensive corner. On the "bad collision" the camera just missed it but I could see it about to happen. I don't think Lowry saw it coming until it was too late.

Sucks but he's likely out for a bit again.

yeah when I saw that I was thinking concussion. hope not.

 

[Aavco Cup]

I think because we've been so successful, there's a lot of pent up troll energy. They don't get to come in here and stir things up as often as they could in years past.

 

[Ippenator]

All turnovers are bad and all players should try to limit them. Sometimes it's just the luck of the draw. if players keep doing it, eventually they get burnt. That's why it's a point of discussion

This is in fact pretty much wrong what you se saying. There are also the really high danger turnovers that are a completely different thing than very low danger turnovers. Sometimes it is in fact good to be able to take controlled risks on areas and situations on the ice where there is no danger of the possible turnover leading into the opponent scoring, if by succeeding in that situation you can after all create the kind of situation to the other end that has a pretty high chance of leading to your own team scoring a goal. That is called controlled risk taking, and it is what the best offensive teams and players are able to do efficiently.

It is just teams and players that don’t have good enough hockey IQ that have to settle for just playing stupid and dumb defensively overemphasized hockey where they can’t see the difference in high risk turnovers and low risk turnovers that are important sometimes in getting your offence to get going. This kind of play leads into a lot boring overly defensive games and a lot of dump and chase grinding hockey.

But plays like Wheeler did on that power play are just inexcusable, as you can only lose with taking that kind of a needless risk. And in that kind of a situation there is pretty big chance to really lose, as sadly happened in Wheeler’s case. But I will at least blame Wheeler and Laine only for a bad game tonight. They have both been lately pretty darn good, and I have to say that some people at these boards are really strange as they right away dismiss all the very good games that Laine has had lately, when he has such a bad game. Right away he has been claimed to have regressed although he has been clearly better this season in defensive play in general, his breakouts have been pretty good in most of the games lately, and also he has been getting better in board play compared to last season. Development will not be as fast as some people seriously seem to think it will be, but I’m pretty sure that he will have still pretty ok development for two or three years, but just have some patience for God’s sake people! He hasn’t been nearly as bad in general as some of you seem to point out constantly. He has been generally pretty darn good. Yesterday he was really bad, but that can happen more easily to young players like him, if it can happen to an experienced captain like Wheeler even!

 

[bustamente]

something went wrong on his summer, it was clearly visible right from the game one. still regressing. is it gained weight or is there something else i dont know but he lost a lot mobility and finesse on technique

I think that when he got here for training camp he said that he did very little in the off season, I get it 18 year old finishing a full season in the NHL he probably needed the whole off season to recharge, like I said he still scoring goals but his all around game was much better last year, he'll figure it out.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

I won't over repeat the obvious complaints about Laine and Wheeler.

But on the SH goal it was really disappointing to see Wheeler choose to cut to the middle with no support behind him and equally disappointing that none of the guys backed him up. The Jets $#!& the bed on every attempt to play the puck that sequence.
I'm not sure why they were so confident that Wheeler would be able to successfully beat his guy when every thing else had gone so wrong.

Without the break down there I seriously question if Vegas scores a goal that game. Momentum is everything. We gave them confidence... a gift.

The game was going well until

 

[kittiecarlyle]

Lowry had 3 bad things happen to him.
Puck in the face, I actually can't remember what the second one was (just that he was grimacing going to the bench.
BUT the play that took him out was a collision with Engellend on his last shift. He had crushed Engellend earlier in the game in the offensive corner. On the "bad collision" the camera just missed it but I could see it about to happen. I don't think Lowry saw it coming until it was too late.

Sucks but he's likely out for a bit again.

On the post game show Kevin O said he knew what kept Lowry out, saw the incident and left it hanging. My impression is he believes he re injured or disturbed probably his shoulder. Surprised if he plays next game.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

The more I see that slash the more angry I get. I can't believe they allowed a goal on that. He just swung his stick at his face

 

[Aavco Cup]

This is in fact pretty much wrong what you se saying. There are also the really high dabger turnovers that are s completely deifferent thing than very low danger turnovers. Sometimes it is in fact good to be able to take controlled risks on srea’s of the ice where there is no danger of the a possible turnover leading into the opponent scoring, if by succeeding in that situation you can after all create the kind of situation to the other end that has a pretty high chance of leading to your own team scoring a goal. That is called controlled risk taking, and it is what the best offensive teams and players are able to do efficiently.

It is just teams and players that don’t have good enough hockey IQ that have to settle for just playing stupid and dum defensively overemphasized hockey were they can’t see the difference in high risk turnovers and low risk turnovers thst are important sometimes in getting your offence to get going. This kind of play leads into a lot boring overly defensive games and a lot of dump and chase grinding hockey.

But plays like Wheeler did on thst power play are just inexcusable, as you can only lose with taking that kind of a needless risk. And in that kind of a situation there is pretty big chance to really lose, as sadly haolened in Wheeler’s case. It I will at least blame Wheeler and Laine only for a bad game tonight. They have both been lately pretty darn good, and I have to say that some people at these boards are really strange as they right away dismiss all the very good games that Laine has had lately, when he has such a bad game. Right away he has been claimed to have regressed although he has been clearly better this season in defensive play in general, his breakouts hav been pretty good in most of the games lately, and also he has been getting better in board play compared to last season. Development will not be as fast as some people seriously seem to think it will be, it I’m pretty sure that he will will have still pretty ok development for two or three years, it just have some patience for God’s sake people! He hasn’t been nearly as bad in general ad some of you seem to point out constantly. He has been generally pretty darn good. Yesterday he was really bad, but that can happen more easily to young players like him, if it can happen to an experienced captain like Wheeler even!

Player make good plays and bad plays. All players. What you need is a team of players that make more good plays than bad ones. That's all.

The issue I have is you only seem to be parsing these plays to try and defend one player and on player only.