Seravalli: Vegas looking to terminate Lehner deal after he failed to report for physical

[Empoleon8771]

Conflating the money someone earns with your ability to feel compassion or empathy says more about you than them

And thats not even an insult - plenty of good people happen to make lots of money. What, you befriend a millionaire and they go through issues, youd never feel for them?

The money someone earns doesn't change that theyre a person like you and I

That has literally nothing to do with what I said.

The comment I was responding to said "grow a brain and a heart" in reply to someone saying "they should terminate his contract". Saying that you should "grow a heart" so a millionaire athlete who has made $30 million already in his career can get an additional $4.5 million this year (when he has not fulfilled his obligations to earn that money) is absolutely silly.

That's not saying "rich people don't deserve empathy" in even the slightest. It's that saying "grow a heart" because an athlete may get his contract terminated for not holding up his end of the bargain is insanely dumb.

 

[Lunatik]

But if he is suffering from mental health issues, why should he be punished?

I'm on disability for serious mental health issues, if I don't have the proper medical reports to give to the insurance company (and the government for disability pension), then I get nothing. I have panic attacks whenever I leave my home, and I still have to go. Why should he be any different because he plays hockey?

 

[Legion34]

People talking about lehner. He is also I believe in major bankruptcy. Who knows if his creditors/attending the states etc effects that

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

That has literally nothing to do with what I said.

The comment I was responding to said "grow a brain and a heart" in reply to someone saying "they should terminate his contract". Saying that you should "grow a heart" so a millionaire athlete who has made $30 million already in his career can get an additional $4.5 million this year (when he has not fulfilled his obligations to earn that money) is absolutely silly.

That's not saying "rich people don't deserve empathy" in even the slightest. It's that saying "grow a heart" because an athlete may get his contract terminated for not holding up his end of the bargain is insanely dumb.

I had the context but it didnt read that way initially

On the topic of Vegas terminating, id prefer if the deal is.. commissioner listed or something? Because if it turns out something happened then that could be liable for an argument by the NHLPA

Id agree there needs to be some sort of deadline but thats why id prefer his contract exempted momentarily until we have answers

 

[Empoleon8771]

I had the context but it didnt read that way initially

On the topic of Vegas terminating, id prefer if the deal is.. commissioner listed or something? Because if it turns out something happened then that could be liable for an argument by the NHLPA

Id agree there needs to be some sort of deadline but thats why id prefer his contract exempted momentarily until we have answers

Yeah I should have done a better job at explaining. I obviously hope Lehner is okay, that’s the #1 thing. I just think it’s silly to say that terminating his deal is “punishing him” and saying “grow a heart” by doing it.

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

Yeah I should have done a better job at explaining. I obviously hope Lehner is okay, that’s the #1 thing. I just think it’s silly to say that terminating his deal is “punishing him” and saying “grow a heart” by doing it.

There I can agree - though its still slightly interesting since even the cheapest paid is making a pretty penny compared to the average person

But yeah Im surprised its not a bigger story - I assume the NHL must know of his whereabouts somehow, because if not thats a missing persons issue no?

 

[biturbo19]

What a weird situation. It seems pretty clear he's not playing again, and it all seems extremely convenient that he somehow didn't manage to make it to his annual "check in" to confirm his medical status to just sit around at home and collect his cheques. But with this player, it's also entirely within the realm of possibility that he just ghosted to do his own thing, or wasn't in the right head space to show up and maintain his contract obligations, or who knows what really. So it's hard to really blame Vegas if they do decide to press on with termination of his contract...assuming there was no funny business in the scheduling of the medical or something else of that nature.


The NHLPA will almost certainly end up involved here if they press for termination though. With Lehner being an outspoken member with a lot to say on the topic of mental health, substance abuse, etc. If it looks at all like Vegas exploiting his mental health situation or similar instability to dodge their own financial and cap obligations, the union will be all up on them for that.

 

[archangel2]

On another site it suggested that Lehner's contract is no longer insured and that the money is now coming out of Vegas' physical money

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I've not gone through the thread to read everything that's been written. But I wanted to share a story.

A few years back there was a local (high school?) female goalie who was being harassed via chants from an opposing school. Like, it crossed the line many, many times.

Here on HF I posted something about how their family was reacting to it (obviously not positively). Eventually, this post made it all the way to Lehner via, I believe, his agent. They reached out to me via PM to see if I could get them in touch with the affected goalie's family. Eventually they did:

"Thank you for your help. I was able to reach the girls mother. I’m currently facilitating a call and/or video chat between the girl and Robin Lehner."

They didn't need to do that at all but I found it extremely touching.

We all have our demons and I hope Lehner is doing okay.

 

[MMC]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1837527695518810509

 

[Janvonpobben]

so it basically it was nothing then

 

[AcerComputer]

I'm on disability for serious mental health issues, if I don't have the proper medical reports to give to the insurance company (and the government for disability pension), then I get nothing. I have panic attacks whenever I leave my home, and I still have to go. Why should he be any different because he plays hockey?

Because he is in a union.

 

[Jumptheshark]

his statement is correct--they know why he is not there

 

[StickShift]

Probably doesn’t want to show up to a scheduled event in the US—or else he’ll get served with even more lawsuits.

 

[Lunatik]

Because he is in a union.

I am also in a union

And his union agreed to mandatory pre-camp physicals for players on LTIR

All you are doing is showing that you are clueless to how the world works.

 

[Hobnobs]

I am also in a union

And his union agreed to mandatory pre-camp physicals for players on LTIR

All you are doing is showing that you are clueless to how the world works.

Actually it seems more like you are defending how the world works and whole lotta "if I have to suffer so should everyone else".

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Lehnar weighs over 500lbs, I wouldn't expect anyone at his weight to report for a physical for anything.

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

The narrative that "why didn't he just report, anyone could do that" is severely underestimating actual mental health issues. It doesn't really take all that much to make a person unable to get up from the bed, for example, or be aware of what day of the week it is, or buy plane tickets etc. I wouldn't rule out somebody in his shoes just being completely oblivious to what's going on in the world, or care at all about the NHL season, or remember that there's some medicals that he'd need to attend if his mind is set on "I'm done playing".

Vegas probably didn't try very hard to remind him that he needs to attend the medical.

In a lot of cases the only way a person could make this kind of an appointment, no matter the financial benefit, is to have somebody else walk them to the appointment holding their hand. Lehner probably doesn't have that person around him. Could easily explain everything without any schemes.

Would his agent not recommend going tho?
It’s not all on Lehner to do that.

Haven’t really paid much attention to his bankruptcy. Anyone know what the loan was for? You’d think he could pay off the $1.5 or so for the snakes. Or did his dad screw him, Jack Johnson style?

 

[GreatSaveLuongo]

They probably will pay him under the table, but want to terminate for cap reasons

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

They probably will pay him under the table, but want to terminate for cap reasons

Then the league finds out and Ottawa loses another first rounder.

 

[Hockeylife2018]

They probably will pay him under the table, but want to terminate for cap reasons

No need, just do what every team has done recently...
1)terminate the contract
2)PA files grievance
3)team pays player, nhl is okay with no cap obligation

 

[Sensatauro]

I am also in a union

And his union agreed to mandatory pre-camp physicals for players on LTIR

All you are doing is showing that you are clueless to how the world works.

The irony in this post is quite incredible.

This thread is terrible

Lehner will be paid by Vegas. Vegas isn't happy, but Vegas made their own bed.

Lehner is a flawed man, but is also a very good hearted dude. One day his story will surprise the lot of us.

 

[Djp]

The irony in this post is quite incredible.

This thread is terrible

Lehner will be paid by Vegas. Vegas isn't happy, but Vegas made their own bed.

Lehner is a flawed man, but is also a very good hearted dude. One day his story will surprise the lot of us.

Especially the snake farm

 

[Lunatik]

Actually it seems more like you are defending how the world works and whole lotta "if I have to suffer so should everyone else".

Explaining how the world works isn't defending it... it f***ing sucks

Companies/Governments/Teams aren't just going to give you money for not doing your job unless they have to.

 

[AcerComputer]

I am also in a union

And his union agreed to mandatory pre-camp physicals for players on LTIR

All you are doing is showing that you are clueless to how the world works.

Go argue with the NHL and NHLPA:

“(Robin) will not be reporting to the club this year,” Vegas GM Kelly McCrimmon said Thursday. “He continues to be unfit to play. There are unique circumstances surrounding this situation that the NHL, the NHLPA and (Vegas) are working through. Collectively, we are assessing our next steps, and when we have more to say, we will.”

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