Vegas / Anaheim voided Dadonov trade (upd: Ottawa forfeits 1st 24-26)

[Boss Man Hughes]

Some very important people in very high places are going to need to call into question their competence. How in the world does the body tasked with determining whether or not submitted trades are compliant not have a central repository of NTC data, when that is such an obvious failure point for a trade? That is the dumbest thing I've heard from the league not directly associated with Chuck Fletcher in a long, long time.

Bettman runs the NHL like Bergevin ran the Canadiens. Maybe his incompetent buddies infest the league offices.

 

[gstommylee]

Bettman runs the NHL like Bergevin ran the Canadiens. Maybe his incompetent buddies infest the league offices.

Its not the NHL's fault here cause they don't hold the no trade lists in a central data base its always the team's resposibility to give the list to the next team if they are trading someone that has a no trade list.

 

[LadyStanley]

Sooooo.....

To activate Stone or Martinez on LTIR in the regular season, VGK will have to clear cap space (~$14m).

VGK could still acquire those LTIR contracts from Anaheim, but would have to be for picks/unsigned draftees. They could still trade Dadonov, but he wouldn't be able to play for any acquiring team for the season.

I do expect VGK to demand penalties against and/or compensation from Ottawa. And I expect some changes to be made for retention of this information.

If VGK does not activate Stone/Martinez, there could be NHLPA grievance filed. If Dadonov is traded and can't play, there could be a NHLPA grievance.

F***ed up 14 ways to Sunday.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Its not the NHL's fault here cause they don't hold the no trade lists in a central data base its always the team's resposibility to give the list to the next team if they are trading someone that has a no trade list.

Well it should be. If Cap Friendly has the info why doesn't the NHL. What is the point of vetting the trade if you don't have all the pertinent info? And if they don't who the hell is Dadonov filing the list with every year?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Sooooo.....

To activate Stone or Martinez on LTIR in the regular season, VGK will have to clear cap space (~$14m).

VGK could still acquire those LTIR contracts from Anaheim, but would have to be for picks/unsigned draftees. They could still trade Dadonov, but he wouldn't be able to play for any acquiring team for the season.

I do expect VGK to demand penalties against and/or compensation from Ottawa. And I expect some changes to be made for retention of this information.

If VGK does not activate Stone/Martinez, there could be NHLPA grievance filed. If Dadonov is traded and can't play, there could be a NHLPA grievance.

F***ed up 14 ways to Sunday.

Hopefully they have to give Brisson to Anaheim and Ottawa has to give them Pinto.

 

[gstommylee]

Sooooo.....

To activate Stone or Martinez on LTIR in the regular season, VGK will have to clear cap space (~$14m).

VGK could still acquire those LTIR contracts from Anaheim, but would have to be for picks/unsigned draftees. They could still trade Dadonov, but he wouldn't be able to play for any acquiring team for the season.

I do expect VGK to demand penalties against and/or compensation from Ottawa. And I expect some changes to be made for retention of this information.

If VGK does not activate Stone/Martinez, there could be NHLPA grievance filed. If Dadonov is traded and can't play, there could be a NHLPA grievance.

F***ed up 14 ways to Sunday.

NHLPA has no claim for grievance on Dadonov if he's traded post deadline cause the rule say any post deadline trade the player can't play for the rest of the season. And per mouser that rule predates NHLPA union actually existing. So the NHLPA and the NHL would have to CBA a change to that rule.

 

[gstommylee]

Well it should be. If Cap Friendly has the info why doesn't the NHL. What is the point of vetting the trade if you don't have all the pertinent info? And if they don't who the hell is Dadonov filing the list with every year?

Capfriendly doesn't have the info on what teams are on the no list and there is no way for them to obtain that info since only the team has the lists. They never ever had that info. They only list what kind of contract it is and what clauses are on the contracts. Nothing else.

 

[LadyStanley]

NHLPA has no claim for grievance on Dadonov cause the rule say any post deadline trade the player can't play for the rest of the season. And per mouser that rule predates the CBA. So the NHLPA and the NHL would have to CBA a change to that rule.

Ah, but there are accrued games, and other play related items.

Check out this Podcast: Marek & Friedman: Can Anyone Help the Golden Knights? Marek Friedman: Can Anyone Help the Golden Knights?

Marek and Friedman discuss the possibility that the NHL and NHLPA might make a ONE TIME DECISION that would allow Dadonov to play for acquiring team.

And other points.

 

[gstommylee]

Ah, but there are accrued games, and other play related items.

Check out this Podcast: Marek & Friedman: Can Anyone Help the Golden Knights? Marek Friedman: Can Anyone Help the Golden Knights?

Marek and Friedman discuss the possibility that the NHL and NHLPA might make a ONE TIME DECISION that would allow Dadonov to play for acquiring team.

And other points.

Right the union and the league would have to make an exception and in the future actually change that darn rule to where the player can play in regular season but not the playoffs.

 

[IceNeophyte]

Well it should be. If Cap Friendly has the info why doesn't the NHL. What is the point of vetting the trade if you don't have all the pertinent info? And if they don't who the hell is Dadonov filing the list with every year?

User name does not check out. Cap Friendly (or the NHL office) doesn't have the no trade list. Those are kept as proprietary secrets.

 

[gstommylee]

 

[Squiffy]

Wee bit limited in details, isn't it? Wonder if they are just going to close shop and state it's an internal matter.

 

[gstommylee]

Wee bit limited in details, isn't it? Wonder if they are just going to close shop and state it's an internal matter.

It is an internal matter now since going forward any changes to prevent this would required the involvement of the NHLPA including changing the rule for post deadline trades player eligibility.

 

[mouser]

Sooooo.....

To activate Stone or Martinez on LTIR in the regular season, VGK will have to clear cap space (~$14m).

VGK could still acquire those LTIR contracts from Anaheim, but would have to be for picks/unsigned draftees. They could still trade Dadonov, but he wouldn't be able to play for any acquiring team for the season.

I do expect VGK to demand penalties against and/or compensation from Ottawa. And I expect some changes to be made for retention of this information.

If VGK does not activate Stone/Martinez, there could be NHLPA grievance filed. If Dadonov is traded and can't play, there could be a NHLPA grievance.

F***ed up 14 ways to Sunday.

Acquiring LTIR contracts is useless. It's all about who Vegas ships out to create cap space.

 

[mouser]

Wee bit limited in details, isn't it? Wonder if they are just going to close shop and state it's an internal matter.

If any punishments are handed out I'd expect they'll eventually become public.

 

[Roadrage]

I find it very difficult to believe that the NHL who has a record of every players contract and specifics does not have a central repository for a player's no trade list.

 

[LadyStanley]

LeBrun calls for Central Registry and NHLPA to have copy of no trade lists. And that the be submitted July 1, across the board.

Reminds us that GMs are scheduled to meet soon.

 

[Kane One]

I find it very difficult to believe that the NHL who has a record of every players contract and specifics does not have a central repository for a player's no trade list.

Probably because it’s pretty new that M-NTCs aren’t voided once they’re traded. This was obviously an oversight, but I’m sure will be fixed soon.

 

[StreetHawk]

Probably because it’s pretty new that M-NTCs aren’t voided once they’re traded. This was obviously an oversight, but I’m sure will be fixed soon.

If you are a team with that player and you believe that the trade protection is no longer in effect because of a missed deadline then you better make sure that the nhl confirms that so that the contract can be updated in the repository as no longer containing any trade protection.

NHL would them have to contact the agent to get proof if they did file the list on time. If the agent didn’t file in time then the nhl advises the agent that their client no longer has any trade protection in their contract.

 

[Kane One]

If you are a team with that player and you believe that the trade protection is no longer in effect because of a missed deadline then you better make sure that the nhl confirms that so that the contract can be updated in the repository as no longer containing any trade protection.

NHL would them have to contact the agent to get proof if they did file the list on time. If the agent didn’t file in time then the nhl advises the agent that their client no longer has any trade protection in their contract.

That absolutely should be how it’s done. Unfortunately as of right now, this is not the case.

 

[LadyStanley]

From GM meetings

My guess is there will be two or more layers of access. Basic one is: has timely list been filed. Detailed one would give actual list (guessing the second list would be limited to team of player, and inquirying/acquiring team).

 

[BMacLeafs]

Hopefully when the NHL meets next, there will be an overhaul for this no-trade clause rule. Players have way too many rights in today's NHL. This rule needs to go...same with the NCAA loophole.

 

[gstommylee]

Hopefully when the NHL meets next, there will be an overhaul for this no-trade clause rule. Players have way too many rights in today's NHL. This rule needs to go...same with the NCAA loophole.

No way the NHLPA would ever agree to that. If you are refering to players going right to college for 4 years then right to UFA...
Its rare for a player willing to throw away millions of dollars just to avoid playing for a certain team... So you think teams should have pernament rights that don't expire if they don't sign. That's stupid.

 

[Ernie]

Hopefully when the NHL meets next, there will be an overhaul for this no-trade clause rule. Players have way too many rights in today's NHL. This rule needs to go...same with the NCAA loophole.

You realize the NHL cannot unilaterally make that change, right?

 

[BMacLeafs]

No way the NHLPA would ever agree to that. If you are refering to players going right to college for 4 years then right to UFA...
Its rare for a player willing to throw away millions of dollars just to avoid playing for a certain team... So you think teams should have pernament rights that don't expire if they don't sign. That's stupid.

At the very least, there should be some penalty to the player, such as a one year suspension, and compensation for the team.