Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.

[TheBeard]

Bettman: "It's real easy to sell expansion teams for a billion dollars if the owners can see how easily we'll bend over for them."

 

[Wretched Oil]

What a joke.

I hope he comes back too early and re-injures it

 

[AvroArrow]

I don't give a f*** what other teams do. If it is within the rules, everything is fair game.

Abusing a loophole isn't fair game. Lmao this is hilarious, everyone saw it coming from the moment Stone to LTIR was announced, but go ahead and try and justify it.

Here's a definition of the word loophole

" an ambiguity or omission in the text through which the intent of a statute, contract, or obligation may be evaded"

But go on about how it's fair please.

 

[Canadienna]

"Within the rules" is silly.

That's the accusation... That they are holding him out while he's healthy enough to play.

Expressly NOT within the rules. The problem is there's no way to prove it.

But saying it's "within the rules" is missing the point entirely. The accusation is that teams break a rule that is notoriously hard to enforce. Not that they are operating within a loophole.

Edit: I've since learned that it does not appear to actually be against the rules to hold a player out arbitrarily once placed on LTIR. Mea culpa.

 

[hangman005]

Abusing a loophole isn't fair game. Lmao this is hilarious, everyone saw it coming from the moment Stone to LTIR was announced, but go ahead and try and justify it.

Here's a definition of the word loophole

" an ambiguity or omission in the text through which the intent of a statute, contract, or obligation may be evaded"

But go on about how it's fair please.

it's a feature of the CBA... not a bug.

 

[amnesiac]

Over-dramatic much?

Kovy's contract is an exception, the league has a long history of allowing all kind of stuff that is clearly outside the spirit of the rules.

Are any owners complaining about Vegas' LTIR shenanigans or it's just fans playing the victim card as usual?

And how is this any different? How is this not "clearly outside the spirit of the rules"?

Lemme guess, you think its just one big coincidence.... 2 years in a row the same player returns at the SAME time after being out a long time. Oh and it just so happens to benefit the team immensely.

 

[Canadienna]

it's a feature of the CBA... not a bug.

It's really not...

IF they have held Stone out while he is healthy enough to play, they are breaking the rules of the CBA.

 

[hangman005]

"Within the rules" is silly.

That's the accusation... That they are holding him out while he's healthy enough to play.

Expressly NOT within the rules. The problem is there's no way to prove it.

But saying it's "within the rules" is missing the point entirely. The accusation is that teams break a rule that is notoriously hard to enforce. Not that they are operating within a loophole.

The accusation the they are holding him out while he's healthy enough to play is even sillier tbh

 

[helloconga]

i don’t care who it is, vegas needs a r1 exit. i hate that team so much.

 

[Zirakzigil]

It's really not...

IF they have held Stone out while he is healthy enough to play, they are breaking the rules of the CBA.

LTIR is reviewed by the league to make sure that isnt happening. Obviously it gets vague at the end of an injury if someone is healthy to play or not. But going on to LTIR has to be approved.

 

[Vasilevskiy]

They will get bounced on the 1st round anyways. Dallas just a better team

 

[hangman005]

It's really not...

IF they have held Stone out while he is healthy enough to play, they are breaking the rules of the CBA.

Yes..... IF.

 

[Frank Drebin]

The accusation the they are holding him out while he's healthy enough to play is even sillier tbh

Don't defend it, own it.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Yes..... IF.

 

[Canadienna]

Yes..... IF.

Precisely. So stop acting the fool and pretending it's WITHIN THE RULES.

People are (rightfully) questioning whether VGK is breaking the rules with Stone's LTIR history. They are questioning whether VGK BREAKS THE RULES.

No "loophole", and no CBA feature as you tried to claim.

 

[amnesiac]

The accusation the they are holding him out while he's healthy enough to play is even sillier tbh

2 years in a row, the same player returning at the SAME time after being out for so long..... yeah, we're all just so silly to question that. Are you done with your charade?

Your team and fanbase will be remembered the same as the 2017 Astros. Im sure youre proud.

 

[Canadienna]

LTIR is reviewed by the league to make sure that isnt happening. Obviously it gets vague at the end of an injury if someone is healthy to play or not. But going on to LTIR has to be approved.

For sure, and I think most people are questioning the timing of the injuries and how he is once again returning just in time to join the team in the playoffs - Not whether he was ever originally injured.

 

[Some Other Flame]

Excellent. Stone is unquestionably the Golden Knights MVP in every way. They're a completely different team with him in the lineup. Hope he's good to go for round one.

Also, most of the whining about Vegas utilizing the CBA to their benefit seems to be just sour grapes; that the owner or owners of the team they're a fan of isn't as aggressive in trying to win. But so it goes

 

[Mez]

Asking for a friend, how do you hit someone in a way that puts maximum force/pressure on the spleen?

 

[hangman005]

Precisely. So stop acting the fool and pretending it's WITHIN THE RULES.

People are (rightfully) questioning whether VGK is breaking the rules with Stone's LTIR history. They are questioning whether VGK BREAKS THE RULES.

No "loophole", and no CBA feature as you tried to claim.

No they are outright declaring they are, some question, the majority have declared them cheaters.

So if they are declaring either they operating on different CBA than the NHL and PA have, or the have some proof, if so I want the damn proof, not just speculation and conjecture.

 

[TheBeard]

LTIR is reviewed by the league to make sure that isnt happening. Obviously it gets vague at the end of an injury if someone is healthy to play or not. But going on to LTIR has to be approved.

The league won’t intervene if a player claims they’re not ready to go. That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen. They’re already being extremely cautious with CTE, insinuating teams are purposely holding out players would be an NHLPA’s wet dream.

 

[King Woodballs]

Why announce the is cleared to practice? Other than wanting to troll the rest of the NHL.

 

[Icarium]

How is this not "clearly outside the spirit of the rules"?

It is, of course. The point is, many things are in that category and yet the league does nothing. All those injured players traded to ARI and never playing a game for them ring a bell? Robidas island? Blatant LTIR shenanigans happen all the time.

 

[TheBeard]

No they are outright declaring they are, some question, the majority have declared them cheaters.

So if they are declaring either they operating on different CBA than the NHL and PA have, or the have some proof, if so I want the damn proof, not just speculation and conjecture.

That’s the beauty of what they’re doing. It’s impossible to prove.

It is, of course. The point is, many things are in that category and yet the league does nothing. All that injured players traded to ARI ring a bell? Robidas island? Blatant LTIR shenanigans happen all the time.

Putting a bad contract on ltir forever is sketchy, but not remotely close to putting a contract on ltir until there is no cap hit is a clear abuse of the competitive balance.

 

[Sweetpotato]

My problem with this is maybe last year was legit, but based on ever claim I heard this is WAY too early to return. I don't think they're breaking the rules I think he's come back too early if his injury is what they claimed.