BlackDogg
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Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.
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ChanceVegas
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Puckstop40
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Shhh. Just let people who don’t live here tell us how the city is run.
SeanMoneyHands
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NHL.com reporting that Stone is out for the regular season. Just watch Stone back for Game 1.
Barbershev - Eichel - Marchessault
Dorofeyev - Hertl - Mantha
Amadio - Stephenson - Stone
Howden - Karlsson - Roy
X - Carrier, Kolesar
Hanifin - Pietrangelo
McNabb - Theodore
Hague - Whitecloud
x - Martinez, Hutton
Hill
Thompson
THAT IS A DAMN SOLID ROSTER. No reason why this team doesnt repeat this year.
Barbershev - Eichel - Marchessault
Dorofeyev - Hertl - Mantha
Amadio - Stephenson - Stone
Howden - Karlsson - Roy
X - Carrier, Kolesar
Hanifin - Pietrangelo
McNabb - Theodore
Hague - Whitecloud
x - Martinez, Hutton
Hill
Thompson
THAT IS A DAMN SOLID ROSTER. No reason why this team doesnt repeat this year.
well when your cap is 100 mil... better be a solid roster lol
3 possible reasons are
1. Avs
2. Stars
3. Oilers
and a fourth is the Canucks.
Panthers Propaganda
We're a team
Is it a small minority though, pretty much everyone thinks this is pretty lame even if allowed.
Then we got like 5 guys in here doing insane mental gymnastics to justify this BS because it’s currently benefitting them.
Yea it’s within the rules, but it’s getting comically lame. Vegas is gonna ice like a 100 mil roster. Your lineup should have to be cap compliant, make deals all you want post deadline to try and make it imo but once the playoffs role around your roster on ice should have to be cap compliant.
Otherwise why even have the damn thing.
McFlyingV
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Yeah its a bit weird he claims "small minority" when I see endless numbers of people complaining about this on just about every social media and hockey platform out there.
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complete copium for his Vegas Cheating Knights
Chips
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Chips
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It’s more likely whiners will comment at all, people who don’t care will move on.
Sports fans complain about something that doesn’t help their team. What’s new?
I’m not a Vegas fan nor was I a Tampa fan, but I have no issue with it. People don’t understand the cap was never about parity, that’s just how it was sold to fans.
I actually admire it. Parity doesn’t mean “try to make everyone fully equal”. It’s a competitive league. That extends to the top.
The cap existing already does a great job closing the gap preventing certain teams from endlessly spending hundreds of millions, not worrying about a contract aging poorly etc. Planning matters more.
Juggernauts are fun to watch. And I admire great team management. Great teams create more opportunities for themselves. Every team is allowed to do the same thing.
They don’t do it because they aren’t capable or don’t have the guts.
You need
1. Good depth to lose a star and make the playoffs
2. A surplus of meaningful assets to flip (I admire the Bolts most of all because they didn’t really add 18mil of new players. Their surpluse of home developed talent needed raises. They didn’t have to lose a bunch of other assets to add .)
3. Willingness to make a ballsy move and gamble on roster turnover
Tempo
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More reasons to wish for Vegas to flame out early in the playoffs.
Front-loading the Kovalchuk contract was great team managment. New Jersey found a loop hole and created more oppurtunity for themselves. Every team could have done the same thing.
But, the NHL voided the contract and made rule changes. How is this any different?
heynowbababooey
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IronBloodedLion
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I don’t hate the Golden Knights for doing this. They’re playing within rules and exploiting them, but this is so lame.
Rants Mulliniks
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General Fanager
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I dont know why people are pissed.....the rules are the rules and Vegas uses them better than any other team....
Dont hate the player...hate the game....
Dont hate the player...hate the game....
SensontheRush
Never said it was Sunshine
There's this thing called "the spirit of the sport" that the rulebook doesn't always do an effective job protecting.
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Maybe....but if its not directly against the rules, then shame on the other teams for not using that tactic.
My only issue would be that I believe that Stones back will always be an issue and they can always LTIR anytime they choose that benefits them the most. but again, if its not against the rules then.....
Fire Sweeney
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My problem is how obvious they’re being about it.
I don’t doubt Stone has a lacerated spleen. However, there’s enough literature out there that will tell you a Grade 1 lacerated spleen has a recovery time of a couple weeks. A Grade 3 lacerated spleen would keep him out until next season. How can one tell which one Stone has? A simple CT scan would clear it up and give the team a timeline. But as long as they don’t do the CT scan, they can claim it’s “impossible to tell” and set his recovery to whenever they want.
Add in the fact that he’s hitting LTIR at the same time every year, and is coincidentally recovering shortly after his team no longer needs to be cap compliant, and it’s all very shady shit.
It should have been addressed when Tampa Bay pulled it off, simply because of the unfair advantage it gives.
Contenderorpretender
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I love it. Good on you for doing everything within the rules to make your team better. I think the idea of a luxury tax/soft cap would be best going forward.
Chicago had the hossa and Keith contracts
La had the Carter, Richards, and quick deals
Pittsburgh and Washington had the Crosby and ovechkin deals
Tampa exploited the ltir loophole like Vegas is now
Most of the winners of the past 15 years had some sort of advantage when it came to the salary cap.
IF you're not cheating, you're not trying. Blame your own teams management
La had the Carter, Richards, and quick deals
Pittsburgh and Washington had the Crosby and ovechkin deals
Tampa exploited the ltir loophole like Vegas is now
Most of the winners of the past 15 years had some sort of advantage when it came to the salary cap.
IF you're not cheating, you're not trying. Blame your own teams management
onetweasy
"That's just like, your opinion, man"
So many babies in this thread……says the fan of a team in 26th place and doesn’t have to try and beat Vegas.
Of course teams that are competing against Vegas hate this loophole. It makes winning harder. Shocker.
The media hated Tampa for this move a lot more…….perhaps, maybe it’s because it blocked the Leafs path.
Hell all you heard about during that period was that the league should realign the playoff format so the leafs wouldn’t face the Bolts in round 1.
Of course teams that are competing against Vegas hate this loophole. It makes winning harder. Shocker.
The media hated Tampa for this move a lot more…….perhaps, maybe it’s because it blocked the Leafs path.
Hell all you heard about during that period was that the league should realign the playoff format so the leafs wouldn’t face the Bolts in round 1.
Ted Hoffman
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Exactly, and the owners are never giving any of it back. If it takes money out of their pockets and puts it in the hands of the players, they are never agreeing to it unless the players give up something truly major in return.
So if they were ... less obvious about it, you'd be OK with it? If they were doing it but it wasn't obvious at all, you'd be blissfully ignorant? If they were kind of obvious but not "that looks really blatant to me" that would be ... not great, but you'd live with it?
Comments like this confuse me. People want to be hardline, no I'm making no exceptions, everyone needs to follow the rules strictly or else and then they start backtracking well, a little bit of cheating is OK but ... and they never see the inconsistency in their own statements.
I think the best solution is to just have games played for entertainment with lots of gimmicks, no one keeps score or any stats at all, everyone gets to finish 82-0-0, and we spin a wheel every 11 days to see who wins the Cup so that everyone gets to win the Cup every year.
Back in the real world, where everyone should try to work in whenever possible: the owners are never doing a soft cap with a luxury tax. As mentioned above, seasons were lost because the owners wanted a "hard" cap; they were offered the soft cap/luxury tax idea in 2004 and burned the paper with the idea on it before it settled on their desk.
That's OK, no one cares about it. Unless that contract goes to Arizona, then it's Arizona cheating.
That's OK, no one cares about it. Unless that contract goes to Arizona, then it's Arizona cheating.
That's OK, no one cares about it. Unless that contract goes to Arizona, then it's Arizona cheating.
goddamn it, that's cheating, now we've gone too far.
