Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.

[AKL]

Vancouver tried to take advantage of a CBA loophole – just "playing the game" – and were retroactively punished for it. The frustrating thing isn't that some teams are doing whatever they can, within the rules, to win. It's that the NHL has a two-tiered system of accountability.

Not sure it's a two-tiered system of accountability, but the NHL has certain rules in place, and in some cases is not okay with teams violating "the spirit" of the rule while following the letter of the law, and in some cases, doesn't care about the spirit of the rule, as long as teams are following the letter, and you have no way of knowing what it'll be until you do it, or in this case, see someone else do it.

 

[Spawn]

Didn't help last night. We're a 6 point differential with Calgary away from missing the playoffs.

Still pretending like this isn’t the most flagrant example of cap circumvention we’ve seen yet? Still haven’t heard you respond if you’re furious your team is doing this since you hated when Tampa did it

 

[AKL]

Still pretending like this isn’t the most flagrant example of cap circumvention we’ve seen yet? Still haven’t heard you respond if you’re furious your team is doing this since you hated when Tampa did it

Pretty sure he said he changed his mind and is okay with it now. Pretty sure you'd be okay with it too if it was your team doing it. Most people don't have morals they stick to, they just don't want to feel like they're getting screwed, but don't really care if they're doing the screwing.

 

[nowhereman]

Wrong. Vegas management just does it better.

What Vancouver did was entirely within the rules. The NHL changed the rules and then retroactively punished them. How is that Vegas doing it better?

If you received a speeding ticket in the mail because the posted limits were recently dropped and anyone who was ever clocked going above that limit was retroactively fined, would your response be: "Good game, coppers!"?

 

[Lt Dan]

are you familiar with the Los Angeles Dodgers?

Apples and oranges

there's no cap in baseball

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Fans wanna see great teams in the playoffs, not a bunch of parity non-sense.

This.

You all know that zomg, teams are tanking, we have to stop that bullshit? Fans want teams to tank, want teams to sell off, because it puts better players on better teams that are going to the playoffs, which makes for better playoff teams and better playoff games, which provides more excitement and more entertainment to fans. If teams didn't tank, there would be "more parity" which would then lead to more mediocre games, which fans would then bitch about, which would cause some of them to come up with incredibly bad ideas to "fix" that "problem" that they asked for by the "fixes" to past "problems" they demanded, without bothering to think why might this be a bad idea?

They just don't ... want ... that team to be involved. Or that one. Or that other one. Their team can do it all year long, that's fine, that's different. It's everyone else who does it who's screwing over teams, fans, the system. They're the ones who need to be stopped.

 

[iCanada]

Not sure it's a two-tiered system of accountability, but the NHL has certain rules in place, and in some cases is not okay with teams violating "the spirit" of the rule while following the letter of the law, and in some cases, doesn't care about the spirit of the rule, as long as teams are following the letter, and you have no way of knowing what it'll be until you do it, or in this case, see someone else do it.

It's certainly a two tiered system.

Just ask Lou and Kovalchuk.

 

[Bobby9]

What Vancouver did was entirely within the rules. The NHL changed the rules and then retroactively punished them. How is that Vegas doing it better?

If you received a speeding ticket in the mail because the posted limits were recently dropped and anyone who was ever clocked going above that limit was retroactively fined, would your response be: "Good game, coppers!"?

I can't live in hypotheticals.

Reality, Canucks and Vegas are trying/tried to circumvent the cap. Until we know the NHL has a plot against the Canucks the reality is Vegas just doing it better

 

[Green Blank Stare]

There is no doubt if this happened in either MLB or NBA? The leagues would have step in. Not in the NHL. It is joke. Vegas could ice a 100 mill dollar line-up for game one of the playoffs. But NO--it is not circumvention? For the NHL to allow this shows why the NHL is the least respected or popular sporting leagues in the states. By allowing this? NHL loses fans they do not gain them.

It's a second rate league for a reason.

 

[McFlyingV]

What Vancouver did was entirely within the rules. The NHL changed the rules and then retroactively punished them. How is that Vegas doing it better?

If you received a speeding ticket in the mail because the posted limits were recently dropped and anyone who was ever clocked going above that limit was retroactively fined, would your response be: "Good game, coppers!"?

The NHL has a history of going back on shit like this or making up their own rules as they go.
Edmonton alone had to give up draft picks for hiring McLellan and Chiarelli despite them changing the rule on draft pick compensation. Edmonton had to give up a draft pick to Calgary in the covid shortened season on the condition of Neal hitting 20 goals because Neal was "on pace" for 20 goals. Edmonton was not given cap relief on the Duncan Keith contract that other teams had received from the recapture penalty.

At this point it's pretty obvious the league doesn't give a f*** about anything being fair or consistent in their league.

 

[Icarium]

It's a second rate league for a reason.

Yeah, the reason being the fact that hockey is mostly popular in places where it snows a lot.

But maybe climate change is Vegas' fault too?

 

[phrenssoa]

Pretty sure he said he changed his mind and is okay with it now. Pretty sure you'd be okay with it too if it was your team doing it. Most people don't have morals they stick to, they just don't want to feel like they're getting screwed, but don't really care if they're doing the screwing.

If you have an ounce of integrity you should feel bad about your own team doing you’ve frowned upon in the past.

 

[snag]

The NHL has a history of going back on shit like this or making up their own rules as they go.
Edmonton alone had to give up draft picks for hiring McLellan and Chiarelli despite them changing the rule on draft pick compensation. Edmonton had to give up a draft pick to Calgary in the covid shortened season on the condition of Neal hitting 20 goals because Neal was "on pace" for 20 goals. Edmonton was not given cap relief on the Duncan Keith contract that other teams had received from the recapture penalty.

At this point it's pretty obvious the league doesn't give a f*** about anything being fair or consistent in their league.

Let's not forget Ottawa losing a pick for an invalidated trade....Chicago covers up sexual assault and scores Bedard. Oh that's right.....they paid a $2million fine. Think Bedard more than made up for that one /eyeroll

 

[thaman8765678]

This just makes we want to cheer for Vegas more.

 

[AKL]

If you have an ounce of integrity you should feel bad about your own team doing you’ve frowned upon in the past.

It seems you'd be surprised at how little real "integrity" there is in this world. Any time you see someone with a benevolent idea, double check to see if they're being benevolent with their own means and resources, or just with other people's means and resources.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

Yeah, the reason being the fact that hockey is mostly popular in places where it snows a lot.

But maybe climate change is Vegas' fault too?

You don't think Vegas's electrical needs produce greenhouse gases? Get real.

It's a city in a desert with more demand than most other cities its size. That contributes mightily to climate change.

ETA: the reason for peoples' ire shouldn't be the rule, it should be the loose interpretation of "bona fide injury" to INCLUDE guys who play great in the playoffs.

 

[HanSolo]

Still pretending like this isn’t the most flagrant example of cap circumvention we’ve seen yet? Still haven’t heard you respond if you’re furious your team is doing this since you hated when Tampa did it

Not my fault you don't check your notifications.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

It's certainly a two tiered system.

Just ask Lou and Kovalchuk.

I will say this: I thought, and still think, the Devils got f***ed over for that and I would have grieved it to the bitter end. Their crime was that "well, that's too obvious." Because if it was merely "pretty much obvious" or even "really obvious" that wasn't enough to cause the league to take its thumb out of its ass - which meant it was green-lighting contract after contract that on about 3 seconds of review pretty clearly was intended to circumvent the cap by adding low-salary years at the end when the player was incredibly unlikely to be playing given the history of NHL players and how many played at any given age.

A lot of this other stuff that people allege? It's playing martyr without having really been wronged, except in someone's mind.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yeah, the reason being the fact that hockey is mostly popular in places where it snows a lot.

But maybe climate change is Vegas' fault too?

They're wrong, the NHL is actually a fourth rate league.

 

[Vegas07]

Of course they don't mind they got your draft picks.

We didn’t even have high draft picks to give away.

 

[NYR94]

 

[iCanada]

I will say this: I thought, and still think, the Devils got f***ed over for that and I would have grieved it to the bitter end. Their crime was that "well, that's too obvious." Because if it was merely "pretty much obvious" or even "really obvious" that wasn't enough to cause the league to take its thumb out of its ass - which meant it was green-lighting contract after contract that on about 3 seconds of review pretty clearly was intended to circumvent the cap by adding low-salary years at the end when the player was incredibly unlikely to be playing given the history of NHL players and how many played at any given age.

A lot of this other stuff that people allege? It's playing martyr without having really been wronged, except in someone's mind.

What about the other 15 teams that used the same too obvious deals but didn't suffer any penalties?

If the league likes you you can do whatever you want and they'll look the other way. If they don't like you they'll slap you with a penalty and change the rules.

There are tons of examples of several teams doing a thing for a competitive advantage and then the league retroactively punishing a single team for that thing while changing the rules. The Oilers literally lost two second round picks for McLellan and Chiarelli despite both of those people having already been fired.

 

[Icarium]

ETA: the reason for peoples' ire shouldn't be the rule, it should be the loose interpretation of "bona fide injury" to INCLUDE guys who play great in the playoffs.

The injuries are real enough, the problem is it's so common for NHLers to play through injuries that it's basically impossible to prove that player X isn't actually injured. Yes, he could be playing through said injury but due to the cap peculiarities it's sometimes advantageous for him and his team for him to remain on LTIR. You can't very well adopt a rule that makes it official that players must play through injuries, can you?

 

[TheBeard]

You don't think Vegas's electrical needs produce greenhouse gases? Get real.

It's a city in a desert with more demand than most other cities its size. That contributes mightily to climate change.

ETA: the reason for peoples' ire shouldn't be the rule, it should be the loose interpretation of "bona fide injury" to INCLUDE guys who play great in the playoffs.

There is a LOT of solar power lots out here.

 

[Vegas07]

Still pretending like this isn’t the most flagrant example of cap circumvention we’ve seen yet? Still haven’t heard you respond if you’re furious your team is doing this since you hated when Tampa did it

Shouldn’t people be furious with the 3 teams that traded a player to the Knights? The Knights wouldn’t be making these deals if the other front offices wanted to stop this.