Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.

[snowave]

Well about 40% of the power comes from renewable sources and all MGM casinos are powered by solar. But you do you.

On topic, all this butthurt has me wanting a repeat just to watch Canadian heads explode

plus, Vegas recycles all their indoor wastewater...

 

[snag]

I mention those teams because they are the ones that traded a player to the Knights. It sure looks like other front offices are still willing to do deals with the Knights (no matter how many fans accuse Vegas of cap circumvention).

The last playoff team to actually complete a trade with the Knights was Carolina in July 2022. How many times was "conjecture" brought up in this thread?

 

[TheBeard]

f*** it. Scrap the cap. I've changed my mind.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Agreed 100%

Just scrap the cap

I'll get the owners on the phone shortly. I'm sure they'll be 100% in favor of that. There's no way they're going to say no to this.

I mean sure, they shut down the league for a year for it, they were willing to shut down the league 2-3 years for it, they had a lockout to crank down the linkage between player salaries and HRR some more, but ... well, that was 20 years ago. It's all different now. No f***ing way they still want a cap in 2024. They'll gleefully hand it over, no questions asked, smile on their faces, and be totally excited to shell out $100 million, $120 million, $150 million a year (or more!) on player salaries.

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[snag]

f*** it. Scrap the cap. I've changed my mind.

Just get rid of cap relief. Done.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Just get rid of cap relief. Done.

Just get rid of Vegas. Done.

 

[snag]

Just get rid of Vegas. Done.

ROFL

 

[Lacaar]

I agree

Vegas has shown the ability to resolve all cap issues in the summer to a lot of peoples bewilderment. They always seem to find that team in the summer desperate to improve.

off season 2023
1. Pittsburgh penguins with Reily Smith

off season of 2022 was a double whammy.
1. Carolina over with Max Pacioretty.
2. Montreal with Evgeni Dadonov.

off season of 2021
1. Mark Andre Fleury gets unloaded to Chicago.

off season of 2020
1. Nate Schmidt
2. Paul Stastny

Geez I just went back looking at their off season trades of significance the last 4 years and they pull it off every summer. And I'm guessing EVERY team they traded with had to some extent buyers remorse?

 

[Strangle]

But even with no cap... Vegas and the Florida teams will still have a huge advantage because everyone wants to play in those markets. But at least then the other markets could pay whatever they want to attract players... which is better than how it is now.

That’s true, but I’m not in it for the parity, those teams can have the top 3 players in the league at every position for all I care.

I’m more frustrated with the stupid implementation of the cap in the NHL than I am with parity.

No other sports talks about the cap instead of the sport like we do with the nhl.

Being a hockey fan is like being a f***ing accountant now, all I seem to read about is the salary cap. I’m just sick and tired of talking about the salary cap.

NFL fans don’t have to do this, NBA fans don’t have to do this, MLB fans, f***ing soccer fans, just us.

 

[Three On Zero]

Capitalizing on something all 32 teams have access to but just doing it better than everyone else, the VGK management team are f***ing legend

 

[mundyc3]

Mmmmm tasty salt.

 

[Three On Zero]

Mmmmm tasty salt.

Don’t even need a life jacket in this sea of tears, complaining a team is doing something well within the rules is something amazing.

Time to remove all the trophies from hockey, why? Well even though everyone has access to win the trophy’s not everyone can score at the same rate so it isn’t fair to those who can’t score as often

 

[Vegas07]

The last playoff team to actually complete a trade with the Knights was Carolina in July 2022. How many times was "conjecture" brought up in this thread?

So you disagree with me and think no other front offices would make deals with “cheaters?” Your point doesn’t make any sense.

 

[Strangle]

Just get rid of cap relief. Done.

I get it, but there does need to be a kitty for teams to dip into when they lose players to injury, or you’ll have teams that can’t even ice a team some games

Maybe it caps at $xM, I don’t know. The cap sucks.

Teams should be able to make actual hockey trades again

 

[EXTRAS]

Seems pretty simple...teams can carry as much cap as they want in the playoffs BUT the on ice roster can't be over the cap.

 

[Strangle]

Don’t even need a life jacket in this sea of tears, complaining a team is doing something well within the rules is something amazing

The problem is with the rules and the enforcement of them.

The league fixed back diving contracts, they need to fix this.

Make the rule change right now “if a player is on LTIR for game 82, they are not eligible for the playoffs”

 

[Spawn]

But just to make it clearer, no I'm not in love with Vegas exploiting this loophole while at the same time understanding that it's permissible under the rules even though it probably shouldn't be.

I also don't find the "circumvention" as odious last year because most of Vegas' acquisitions didn't play in the playoffs or barely did so, so they really only got the benefit of Barbashev as an addition. The biggest chunk of 10 mil over the cap came from Quick's contract who didn't face a single shot in the postseason. With Barbashev, Vegas was either minimally over the cap or under it when accounting for players that were actually playing.

That said, I feel differently about it today. As entertaining as it's been to see Vegas pick up Mantha, Hanifin, and Hertl without trading off any core roster pieces, if all of those players plus Stone are available for a run, I'd feel dirty about cheering for it. It's a much bigger tilt in roster strength than they got last year.

And beyond that, I was a hypocrite because the reality is I wasn't all that pissed at what Tampa did so much as I'm generally adverse to repeat cup winners and was frustrated at seeing Tampa doing so well. So I fixated on one less savory thing they did and was loudly pissy about it. Just like fans do with the Knights all the time. Or just like fans do when they're reacting to dirty hits done by another team until a player on theirs does it and all of a sudden it's "he should keep his head up" or "not my guy's fault he's bigger, taller and stronger". It happens all the time on this site.

I'm willing to admit when I'm wrong (like me repeatedly saying Vegas doesn't have the assets to make a splash, I was clearly wrong about that) or when I'm being hypocritical. My shit talking about Tampa was for a bad faith purpose and I admit it. Trying to grow every day.

Appreciate the response

 

[Three On Zero]

The problem is with the rules and the enforcement of them.

The league fixed back diving contracts, they need to fix this.

Make the rule change right now “if a player is on LTIR for game 82, they are not eligible for the playoffs”

Fix what? NOTHING needs to be fixed

 

[Strangle]

Fix what? NOTHING needs to be fixed

Okay, buddy

Whatever you say

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Vegas is based as hell

 

[Three On Zero]

Okay, buddy

Whatever you say

Can’t fix what the players, league and owners want. Nothing is broke, it’s just fans that don’t like it

 

[Vegas07]

I agree

Vegas has shown the ability to resolve all cap issues in the summer to a lot of peoples bewilderment. They always seem to find that team in the summer desperate to improve.

off season 2023
1. Pittsburgh penguins with Reily Smith

off season of 2022 was a double whammy.
1. Carolina over with Max Pacioretty.
2. Montreal with Evgeni Dadonov.

off season of 2021
1. Mark Andre Fleury gets unloaded to Chicago.

off season of 2020
1. Nate Schmidt
2. Paul Stastny

Geez I just went back looking at their off season trades of significance the last 4 years and they pull it off every summer. And I'm guessing EVERY team they traded with had to some extent buyers remorse?

Fans were upset when the team lost some of those players for nothing. And we all couldn’t wait to see a first line with a healthy Eichel, Stone and Pacioretty and that never happened.

Still very interesting though.

 

[BobRossColton]

Does this work, if Todd bertuzzi was a hockey team, it'd be Vegas.

 

[Three On Zero]

Vegas plays within the rules of the league

Small minority of fans “they can’t keep getting away with this!”

 

[Frankie Blueberries]