Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.

[PAZ]

Didn't help last night. We're a 6 point differential with Calgary away from missing the playoffs.

I'd bet a shit ton of money Vegas doesn't miss the playoffs. It'll take a few games for Eichel, Mantha, and Hanifin to settle into the system again, but it doesn't matter what seed you guys are.

It'll be a Vegas and Colorado WCF imo.

 

[Devilmademedoit]

nhl is a joke. Complete joke--obviously the nhl does not have a HARD cap or anything considered about being the spirit of the cba

 

[Seanaconda]

I'm more concerned about Mike Grier's cognitive abilities over Vegas doing something in the rules.

I dunno how much more he could have got ?

 

[Bobby9]

REPOST

Reality:

Most successful people and companies take advantages of all loopholes available to them. Tax loopholes, grants, employing family members on paper, buying assets under corporations to reduce taxes paid etc etc

Knights aren't morally repugnant by any means. Theyre just playing the game they're being allowed to play. Other organizations should take no pride in the so called moral compass that guides them if it leads the to not winning.

Good for Vegas. I wish we would play the game more. Here we are with Luongo and OEL contracts hindering us. Wheres the pride in that?

 

[KovalchukFistPump]

who will get fined a pick for this cap circumvention? Devils or Sens?

 

[McFlyingV]

You need to justify the timeline better than that

Luckily lacerated spleen healing timelines have about a 2-3 month range. Not hard to justify it being well within normally healing timelines if "symptoms" persist.

 

[HanSolo]

I'd bet a shit ton of money Vegas doesn't miss the playoffs. It'll take a few games for Eichel, Mantha, and Hanifin to settle into the system again, but it doesn't matter what seed you guys are.

It'll be a Vegas and Colorado WCF imo.

I'm game for it. Either way though there's deep issues with this team that I don't think these trades are going to resolve on their own.

 

[chaser17]

Lol

 

[TheBeard]

I'm genuinely curious if Stone were to be healthy in the playoffs, forget about the retention aspect, what would the Vegas cap number be? They gotta be over 100M, right?

 

[Vegas07]

A lot of fans hate it but 3 different teams just sent us players. So they clearly don’t care and are not outraged by it, and two of those teams are in the same division.

 

[Saga of the Elk]

Certainly won't be a shock when the league implements rules around this.

Mark Stone's "miraculous recovery" clause incoming.

But congrats to the Knights for using the rule some say. Others might say that the LTIR applies to guys with "bona fide" injuries, as the rule states, not guys 100% injured at Game 82 and 100% recovered on Game 1 of the playoffs.

And also shame on the other teams for hiring ex-jocks and failsons who lack the perspicacity to build their own Cup winners by ignoring the cap.

 

[ploppsdman]

I think the cap should apply in the playoffs in that you can only ice a team making whatever the cap is.

 

[nturn06]

I'd bet a shit ton of money Vegas doesn't miss the playoffs. It'll take a few games for Eichel, Mantha, and Hanifin to settle into the system again, but it doesn't matter what seed you guys are.

It'll be a Vegas and Colorado WCF imo.

Any team can get on a 5-6-8 games cold streak, and at this point such a streak would fatal for Vegas.
I agree that it is unlikely, but can happen.

And Vegas missing the playoffs after soo much exploitation of rules would probably one of the best things to happen to the NHL

 

[Panteras]

I'm genuinely curious if Stone were to be healthy in the playoffs, forget about the retention aspect, what would the Vegas cap number be? They gotta be over 100M, right?

Yeah I think they’re like 30 million over the cap lol

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

At this point, it's a league failure. I don't blame any team for doing it anymore. More power to them.

 

[sepHF]

I'm genuinely curious if Stone were to be healthy in the playoffs, forget about the retention aspect, what would the Vegas cap number be? They gotta be over 100M, right?

115m if everyone is healthy

 

[Leonardlizard]

Yeah I think they’re like 30 million over the cap lol

Insane.

 

[Suntouchable13]

There is no doubt if this happened in either MLB or NBA? The leagues would have step in. Not in the NHL. It is joke. Vegas could ice a 100 mill dollar line-up for game one of the playoffs. But NO--it is not circumvention? For the NHL to allow this shows why the NHL is the least respected or popular sporting leagues in the states. By allowing this? NHL loses fans they do not gain them.

Fans wanna see great teams in the playoffs, not a bunch of parity non-sense.

 

[Da McBomb]

This is me... this is me waving my white flag..

 

[hairylikebear]

A lot of fans hate it but 3 different teams just sent us players. So they clearly don’t care and are not outraged by it, and two of those teams are in the same division.

Of course they don't mind they got your draft picks.

 

[nowhereman]

REPOST

Reality:

Most successful people and companies take advantages of all loopholes available to them. Tax loopholes, grants, employing family members on paper, buying assets under corporations to reduce taxes paid etc etc

Knights aren't morally repugnant by any means. Theyre just playing the game they're being allowed to play. Other organizations should take no pride in the so called moral compass that guides them if it leads the to not winning.

Good for Vegas. I wish we would play the game more. Here we are with Luongo and OEL contracts hindering us. Wheres the pride in that?

Vancouver tried to take advantage of a CBA loophole – just "playing the game" – and were retroactively punished for it. The frustrating thing isn't that some teams are doing whatever they can within the rules to win. It's that the NHL has a two-tiered system of accountability.

 

[Puckstop40]

Until the NHL does something about, it’ll keep happening. Don’t blame the Knights.

 

[TheBeard]

A lot of fans hate it but 3 different teams just sent us players. So they clearly don’t care and are not outraged by it, and two of those teams are in the same division.

Both of the GMs were obviously better players than team managers, and Grier wasn't all that great a player to begin with.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

nhl is a joke. Complete joke--obviously the nhl does not have a HARD cap or anything considered about being the spirit of the cba

2005-06: NHL does not have a hard cap.
2023-24: NHL still does not have a hard cap.
In between: NHL doesn't have a hard cap.

Fans: OMG, THE NHL DOESN'T HAVE A HARD CAP!

I think the cap should apply in the playoffs in that you can only ice a team making whatever the cap is.

This is a completely original idea that no one else has ever suggested before, and I'm sure will have no unintended consequences or inadvertently create problems for any cap-abiding team, like:

Example: Cap = $85 million.

Team A:
* Carries $80 million in total cap hits for 4/5ths of the season.
* At the 4/5ths mark, when the trade deadline occurs, has been charged 80 x 4/5 = $64 million
* Can spend up to $21 million the rest of the way and still be cap compliant
* Permissibly - and without LTIR - makes trades and adds $15 million in cap dollars.
* Now carries $95 million in cap dollars from the trade deadline to the end of the season
* Gets charged 95 x 1/5 = $19 million for that last 1/5th of the season
* Ends the season having spent $83 million, so $2 million less than what was allowed under the cap

Your rule for the cap in the playoffs: that team - which had a roster that was completely valid in Game 82, which ran with a roster that was completely cap compliant the entire season, under the rules of how the salary cap is calculated had $2 million to spare - is non-compliant for the playoffs and must cut $10 million.

 

[Bobby9]

Vancouver tried to take advantage of a CBA loophole – just "playing the game" – and were retroactively punished for it. The frustrating thing isn't that some teams are doing whatever they can within the rules to win. It's that the NHL has a two-tiered system of accountability.

Wrong. Vegas management just does it better.