Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

Is there a strong counterargument to be made to just having to have your NHL team meet the cap for any playoff game? I.e. A team could have 100 million on their roster but the actual team they ice for the game has to be cap compliant?

 

[Gjman2019]

Not gonna matter this time anyway....They have no chance against the Oilers or Av's this year....

I think Vegas' time is up to be honest.

 

[Icarium]

Oh, good, we are in the everyone is a doctor and cap specialist season again.

Seriously, why is it that fans complain far more about this "cap circumvention" than the representatives and owners of the teams Vegas or whoever is allegedly cheating so blatantly?

 

[Lt Dan]

Is there a strong counterargument to be made to just having to have your NHL team meet the cap for any playoff game? I.e. A team could have 100 million on their roster but the actual team they ice for the game has to be cap compliant?

absolutely

or possibly a small reasonable percentage, like 5%, over so deadline deals aren't eradicated. 5% of the current cap would be about 4.385,000

but this bullshit with Tampa winning being $18 mil over the cap and the annual Vegas IR games need to end

 

[ES]

I would be OK for 20-player roster to be fitted under the cap. Retained salaries are counted as percentage of how much of the salary the team he's playing has.
So Hanifin would be 1 237 500 for VGK after double retention.

 

[coolboarder]

Better solution to this issue, move up trade deadline to end of January. If a team needs some help when injuries ramps up, you can still make a trade but the ineligible to play in the playoffs. That way, teams can assess their risk of putting a player in LTIR even if he get healthy in March and miss the playoffs altogether if a traded player is ineffective with their new team.

 

[wetcoast]

It’s not cheating but it is abusing the spirit of the rule

Fair enough but players cheat all of the time on the ice and the spirit of sportsmanship and half the people care and half don't depending on the jersey.

The last thing the nhl wants is any sort of potential lawsuit or bad publicity by forcing a player to come off ltir to play because their doctor deemed them healthy.

Yet some hockey fans are proposing this it seems.

 

[Evgeny Oliker]

Question about LTIr:
I know it requires player to miss at least 10 nhl games and 24 days. Does that period of time (24 days and 10 games) start the day the player is placed on LTIR? Or the day the player was actually injured/placed on regular IR?


Thanks!

 

[Lt Dan]

Question about LTIr:
I know it requires player to miss at least 10 nhl games and 24 days. Does that period of time (24 days and 10 games) start the day the player is placed on LTIR? Or the day the player was actually injured/placed on regular IR?


Thanks!

Long Term Injured Reserve (LTIR) - High Level Overview | Puckpedia

To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the...

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• To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season
• When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the team to exceed the salary cap.
• The amount that a team may exceed the salary cap due to LTIR is commonly referred to as the “LTIR Pool”
• If a team is cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, or uses LTIR at any point during the season, the LTIR Pool is the Cap Hit of the LTIR player less the team’s cap space when the player goes on LTIR. For example, if a player with a $4M Cap Hit goes on LTIR when the team has $100K of Cap Space, the LTIR pool is $3.9M ($4M-$0.1M). Because of this, team’s often make several roster moves right before a player goes on LTIR in order to be as close to the cap as possible, in order to maximize the LTIR Pool
• If a team cannot be cap compliant on opening day without using LTIR, the LTIR Pool is the amount the team exceeds the Cap. For example, if a team is $3M over the Cap and places a player on LTIR with a $4M Cap Hit for the opening roster submission, the LTIR Pool is the $3M that the team exceeded the cap
• While on LTIR, Cap Space is no longer accrued, meaning any portion of the LTIR pool not used cannot be used later.
• When a player comes off LTIR, the team’s annual cap hit for that day must be under the Cap

 

[TheBeard]

Fair enough but players cheat all of the time on the ice and the spirit of sportsmanship and half the people care and half don't depending on the jersey.

Yet some hockey fans are proposing this it seems.

Not really. Fans are proposing changes in which the team is ultimately forced to prioritize a player’s health rather than weaponize it for the sake of team’s success.

 

[Lt Dan]

 

[Evgeny Oliker]

Long Term Injured Reserve (LTIR) - High Level Overview | Puckpedia

To qualify for LTIR, a player must be expected to miss at least 10 NHL Games AND 24 days of the NHL season When a player is on LTIR, a team may exceed the salary cap. Despite the common misconception, LTIR does not remove a Cap Hit from a team’s overall Cap Hit, it just potentially allows the...

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I read that. But to me it’s not clear when the 10 games and 24 days begin? Is it the day the player goes on LTIR?

 

[TheBeard]

I read that. But to me it’s not clear when the 10 games and 24 days begin? Is it the day the player goes on LTIR?

It can be retroactive.

 

[Evgeny Oliker]

It can be retroactive.

So how would it work in Timmins case?

He has been on IR since February 13. That’s already 24 days and 10 games.

Today he went on LTIR. So do we count 10 games and 24 days from today?

 

[jungles]

 

[TheBeard]

So how would it work in Timmins case?

He has been on IR since February 13. That’s already 24 days and 10 games.

Today he went on LTIR. So do we count 10 games and 24 days from today?

From when he first missed. Usually the minimum time is a mere formality.

 

[BigTomBomber]

So how would it work in Timmins case?

He has been on IR since February 13. That’s already 24 days and 10 games.

Today he went on LTIR. So do we count 10 games and 24 days from today?

Each team is different, but LTIR can potentially affect your ability to accrue cap space. So a couple factors can impact that decision

 

[Ted Hoffman]

Is there a strong counterargument to be made to just having to have your NHL team meet the cap for any playoff game?

Example: Cap = $85 million.

Team A:
* Carries $80 million in total cap hits for 4/5ths of the season.
* At the 4/5ths mark, when the trade deadline occurs, has been charged 80 x 4/5 = $64 million
* Can spend up to $21 million the rest of the way and still be cap compliant
* Permissibly - and without LTIR - makes trades and adds $15 million in cap dollars.
* Now carries $95 million in cap dollars from the trade deadline to the end of the season
* Gets charged 95 x 1/5 = $19 million for that last 1/5th of the season
* Ends the season having spent $83 million, so $2 million less than what was allowed under the cap

Your rule for the cap in the playoffs [team can't have total cap hits on the roster over the cap]: that team - which had a roster that was completely valid in Game 82, which ran with a roster that was completely cap compliant the entire season, under the rules of how the salary cap is calculated had $2 million to spare - is non-compliant for the playoffs and must cut $10 million.

You don't think that's going to cause a few problems?

Every proposed "solution" to this "problem" of teams using LTIR never addresses this situation in a satisfactory manner. Until you figure that out, know that the NHLPA is never letting players get screwed over re: playoff participation - and owners of teams who do this aren't about to let themselves get screwed over, either.

 

[joepeps]

simple solutions.

1. get rid of the cap
2. stop them from doing this BS.... i'm sure once Toronto tries it, it will change
3. Have the teams be cap compliant per game in the playoffs

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Is there a strong counterargument to be made to just having to have your NHL team meet the cap for any playoff game? I.e. A team could have 100 million on their roster but the actual team they ice for the game has to be cap compliant?

Casual fans and players could never wrap their heads around a big name player getting healthy scratched in the playoffs for some random 4th liner just because they make league min

 

[0494]

simple solutions.

1. get rid of the cap
2. stop them from doing this BS.... i'm sure once Toronto tries it, it will change
3. Have the teams be cap compliant per game in the playoffs

The most Toronto suggestion of all time

 

[Ted Hoffman]

simple solutions.

1. get rid of the cap
2. stop them from doing this BS.... i'm sure once Toronto tries it, it will change
3. Have the teams be cap compliant per game in the playoffs

1. In the playoffs? Yes, that's what happens now. In the regular season? Never happening; the league is never getting rid of the cap; if for some bizarre reason it did, it's NEVER giving up linkage to HRR and players are never going to go for an uncapped system where there's still linkage to HRR because they would get utterly f***ed on escrow.

2. This could read "someone should do something" and it would be just as much of a throwaway, do-nothing statement.

3. This means nothing without defining what "cap compliant" means - which, that's going to have to allow situations like I describe above, earlier in the thread, and in at least 19 other places (and counting).

 

[Edmonton East]

Mickey Mouse league fined the Devs' draft picks for a contract that was never actually live. Yet they let this stuff go on every year, which provides an actual advantage. Hilarious.

 

[Zerotonine]

Just wait until they get buch ir guntz before the deadline tomorrow. Hf will crash lolol

And will be even funnier of they do all this and miss the playoffs

 

[TheBeard]

Casual fans and players could never wrap their heads around a big name player getting healthy scratched in the playoffs for some random 4th liner just because they make league min

Or a team should be required to remove said big name player from LTIR and onto regular IR in order to be cap compliant for playoffs. Otherwise, basically any team in a comfortable position could find and convince a player or two to decide to get that minimally invasive surgery right before the deadline just to make sure they're 100% healthy later on down the road.

This way the team has the option of how to proceed.