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People need to learn what circumvention is.

Vegas isn't breaking or bending any rules. For starters, their medical staff deemed Stone out for the rest of the season. Even fi any of you are doctors, you don't know his medical history or any current issues he may have so you can't go and claim some conspiracy.

Fun fact: Your favorite team can also use LTIR.

TheBeard said:
Two years ago, when Vegas couldn’t trade Dadonov at the deadline because they knew they needed Mark stone back earlier than they planned simply because they were hanging onto the last wild card spot, the team ended up conveniently putting 4 guys on LTIR to offset the 14 million they needed to activate Stone (and Martinez). This team has done it three years running now, flip-flopping players to stash on ltir until playoffs. Three years. Just because other teams don’t do it doesn’t make it right. If I watch a flash mob run into an Apple Store and grab everything, I’m not just gonna do it because they’re getting away with it.
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You realize LTIR is something teams don't want to use unless absolutely necessary? Some guys heal faster than others, but if they're on LTIR they have to be out for a minimum amount of time.
 
TheBeard said:
This would kill about half the teams in the NHL.
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Half the teams at the deadline are already out of it.
And they would still have to become cap compliant at the beginning of the season.

It would certainly be interesting lol
 
Voight said:
People need to learn what circumvention is.

Vegas isn't breaking or bending any rules. For starters, their medical staff deemed Stone out for the rest of the season. Even fi any of you are doctors, you don't know his medical history or any current issues he may have so you can't go and claim some conspiracy.

Fun fact: Your favorite team can also use LTIR.



You realize LTIR is something teams don't want to use unless absolutely necessary? Some guys heal faster than others, but if they're on LTIR they have to be out for a minimum amount of time.
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Fair enough....I will say this though.....if I am a player who is hurt and it benefits my team by being out a few extra weeks. then....ouch oh.....f***.....yeah.....still feel that there......ow oh f*** me! Oh the humanity!!!

What doctor is ever going to say "you are not experiencing any pain"?

If anyone thinks this doesn't happen their head is up their ass.

People fake shit all the time (sometimes getting paid minimum wage and can't actually afford to do it.....but they do.)
 
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snag said:
Fair enough....I will say this though.....if I am a player who is hurt and it benefits my team by being out a few extra weeks. then....ouch oh.....f***.....yeah.....still feel that there......ow oh f*** me! Oh the humanity!!!

What doctor is ever going to say "you are not experiencing any pain"?

If anyone thinks this doesn't happen their head is up their ass.

People fake shit all the time and they get paid minimum wage and can't actually afford to do it.....but they do.
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Oh I agree 100%. But again, there nothing stopping other players/teams from doing the same.

Maybe Stones goods to at the beginning of April. Maybe he'd rather rest for 2 weeks rather than play (somewhat) meaningless games. It's an imperfect system but one that every team can take advantage of.
 
Matty Sundin said:
Tampa bay did this though they also in a way got lucky it being a short season when they did it. If Vegas does their little phoney social media video post of Stone suiting up and returning for game 1 then it’s just being more blatant what they’re doing.
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Well, the TB one was a bit of a fluke simply because the time period between the previous season and the new one was 2 months. Kucherov did have a legitimate injury, had a well known surgery and did return in less than the average timetable for that surgery. Sure he could have likely returned earlier, but if this was a normal season, he likely would have sat out another month longer and been back in January.

Having the same team 3 years in a row with these "lingering" injuries is just a plain slap in the face. No doubt Stone is hurting, but his return time table is based solely on when they can bring him back, not if he is ready.
 
Voight said:
Oh I agree 100%. But again, there nothing stopping other players/teams from doing the same.

Maybe Stones goods to at the beginning of April. Maybe he'd rather rest for 2 weeks rather than play (somewhat) meaningless games. It's an imperfect system but one that every team can take advantage of.
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There is one: scruples.


But then, I guess then in big business, you probably don't belong if you have them,
 
hangman005 said:
Oh I know they meant this year, it's just that last year it was obvious Stone wasn't ready in game 1, so it's a little odd that the standard hasn't been met already.
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I keep having it out with my own board over this. The narrative that a guy who had 2 back surgeries in 9 months and was 100% for game one makes me angry.

Patrice Bergeron played with a punctured f***ing lung. Just because guys play doesn't mean they're anywhere near 100%.
 
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I keep having it out with my own board over this. The narrative that a guy who had 2 back surgeries in 9 months and was 100% for game one makes me angry.

Patrice Bergeron played with a punctured f***ing lung. Just because guys play doesn't mean they're anywhere near 100%.
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Yeah as I said in another post, I think it far more likely they are coming back early because the games are so much more important. They'll stick through it far longer than in regular season.

If game 4 was just a regular season game no way Tkachuk thinks of playing, but the importance of the game he was willing to risk further damage until he could play no more.
 
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Yeah as I said in another post, I think it far more likely they are coming back early because the games are so much more important. They'll stick through it far longer than in regular season.

If game 4 was just a regular season game no way Tkachuk thinks of playing, but the importance of the game he was willing to risk further damage until he could play no more.
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It was also crickets when I suggested Edmonton could have LTIR'd McDavid or Kane this year and bring them back for playoffs. Since you know, players are faking injuries and sitting out for major chunks of the season.
 
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Voight said:
People need to learn what circumvention is.

Vegas isn't breaking or bending any rules. For starters, their medical staff deemed Stone out for the rest of the season. Even fi any of you are doctors, you don't know his medical history or any current issues he may have so you can't go and claim some conspiracy.

Fun fact: Your favorite team can also use LTIR.



You realize LTIR is something teams don't want to use unless absolutely necessary? Some guys heal faster than others, but if they're on LTIR they have to be out for a minimum amount of time.
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Spare me. It’s a savings account.

 
snag said:
Half the teams at the deadline are already out of it.
And they would still have to become cap compliant at the beginning of the season.

It would certainly be interesting lol
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It would be the same marquee signings to big teams and same dead weight with draft picks attached sent to the bottom feeders. Then the picks develop into stars and rinse, repeat. It’s why Vegas doesn’t ever have tk bother developing their own players. Why bother? That takes time and energy.
 
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Rpenny said:
Put me in the camp that if a team from Canada, not named Toronto Maple Leafs did this, they nhl would step in right away. IF McDavid got injured tonight, said that he would not be back till the playoffs and the oilers then went out and spent all of the cap money they just got on friday? This place would go ape shit and the nhl would step. There is no doubt in my mind. This is what Vegas is doing with Stone's 9.5 mil cap hit. He will be back for game 1 of the playoffs. Vegas would have kept Eichel on for longer but different medias started questioning it after seeing Eichel out and about
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If I'm being honest.. I think Kane is legit playing hurt and needs some rest. I don't think it would hurt our playoff chances one bit and I'd love to see him get some injury recovery time right about now till say round 1.
 
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Pez68 said:
Your reply makes no sense, but sure.
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You preach about the only people complaining being those are fans of teams that don’t get out of the 1st round and then you don’t understand why someone questions your class?
Apparently you’re brilliant about what the nhl wants and doesn’t want but you don’t see when you’re being a dick lol
 
Voight said:
Oh I agree 100%. But again, there nothing stopping other players/teams from doing the same.

Maybe Stones goods to at the beginning of April. Maybe he'd rather rest for 2 weeks rather than play (somewhat) meaningless games. It's an imperfect system but one that every team can take advantage of.
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On paper…yes. Technically any team could try to do this. But it could also be argued that the results wouldn’t be the same.

I doubt any original 6 team that lives under a microscope from the league, media and fans can do this and get same amount of attention.

You think the league is going to be as critical to a team they recently added to the league? I don’t. But we’ll never know. So we just have to accept it.

Just like people have to accept the criticism given to the LGK
 
snag said:
Fair enough....I will say this though.....if I am a player who is hurt and it benefits my team by being out a few extra weeks. then....ouch oh.....f***.....yeah.....still feel that there......ow oh f*** me! Oh the humanity!!!

What doctor is ever going to say "you are not experiencing any pain"?

If anyone thinks this doesn't happen their head is up their ass.

People fake shit all the time (sometimes getting paid minimum wage and can't actually afford to do it.....but they do.)
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People always act like players and/or teams have nothing to gain in the whole spiel as a defense, and it's crazy. They're not dumb, they know sitting out an extra three weeks can really improve their odds for a Cup.

Kucherov waited like 3 months after the bubble ended to get his hip surgery that kept him "out" until magically game one of the 2021 playoffs when he then led the team in scoring. Why not get the surgery as quickly as possible so you can get healthy faster?

I hate this crap, and the whole thing is protected under a magical bubble so there's no fix to it.
 
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