Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.

[Three On Zero]

What rule(s) were broken?

No rules were broken, that’s what makes the certain fan base so angry about it.

 

[Vegas07]

If you trust the league I suggest therapy.

I trust them more than I trust haters, that’s for sure. If you trust paranoid haters I suggest therapy.

 

[Shane Diesel]

I trust them more than I trust haters, that’s for sure. If you trust paranoid haters I suggest therapy.

"The league is corrupt" is the crutch of entitled fans that would rather make excuses than admit their favorite just isn't good enough. It's everyone's fault but mine.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

 

[PuckG]

Oilers fans whine about cap circumvention every season. Hell, nearly every month. Pointing that out is germane to the discussion as far as I'm concerned.

Go ahead and quote the threads where fans of the Oilers or any other team are “whining” about cap circumvention.

The truth is, they’re only talking about it when a team cap circumvents like Vegas seems to be doing again.

Who would have guessed that when a team uses questionable practices, they would get called out?

Oh - who also would have guessed that fans of the team benefiting from said practice would label anyone that questions it a “whiner?”

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

"The league is corrupt" is the crutch of entitled fans that would rather make excuses than admit their favorite just isn't good enough. It's everyone's fault but mine.

But it is corrupt and my team wasn’t good enough. They’re not either or. In fact the fanbase you guys disparage blames Skinner far more than the third rate league.

But it’s easier to make generalizations I guess.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Who would have guessed that when a team uses questionable practices, they would get called out?

Except they haven't, which is the crux of your confusion and anger.

 

[HanSolo]

Couldn't agree more but some posters seem to portraying LV as victims here. Like it will be an amazing coincidence when they, using your example, pick up buchnevic and then stone and Eichel are healthy for game 1 of playoffs. Hell, if I were Vegas I'd get Tanev just to f*** with my oil.lol.

Pick them up with what? At best they have the assets for a lateral move, at worst any trade acquisition would actively make the team worse. Vegas has already burned most of their futures and surplus assets with value. Any player they have with value right now is a core guy who can't be replaced with depth. Unless a team lets Vegas fleece them at the deadline, there'd be a struggle to make good use of that LTIR cap space.

Vegas is barely above 0.500 since January 1 (10-8-1). The theory that they're shutting Stone and Eichel down til the playoffs to make some big grabs to abuse the cap loophole depends on Vegas being confident that they can still make the playoffs without two of their three top forwards. At best that's a huge gamble, but in reality, it would be a foolish plan. But people just see oh VGK stars are on LTIR and knee jerk with MOOOOM VEGAS IS CHEEEATING AGAIN.

Having Stone and Eichel out til the playoffs would be a disaster to anyone actually paying attention to this team. But I guess I shouldn't expect more from the same board that spent a season droning on about how Vegas f***ed up by firing Gallant the one year the Rangers did well under him and immediately quieted down when the Rags started struggling like Vegas did.

 

[Shane Diesel]

But it’s easier to make generalizations I guguess.

Just like claiming the entire league is corrupt, right? Those type of generalizations?

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Except they haven't, which is the crux of your confusion and anger.

Do you understand what questionable means?

People are questioning the validity of the injuries that is allowing this loophole to happen. Vegas is 100% allowed to take advantage of the rule, but if they are fabricating/exagerrating injuries to exploit the rule, that is questionable practices to achieve their goal.

Again I will state, since there is no way to exactly prove that they are doing this, they are allowed to do so and will continue to do so. But under any definition considering the timing and regular occurrence of this it is certainly questionable.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Just like claiming the entire league is corrupt, right?

Yes? You think the NHL isn’t corrupt? Tim Peel admitted that he (and lord knows who else) manage games. The Hawks covered up a serious crime for a decade and got a tiny slap on the wrist.

Thinking this, or any sports league is honest is laughable.

 

[PuckG]

Except they haven't, which is the crux of your confusion and anger.

It isn’t.

You’re getting posters confused. I stated that some people consider you guys cheaters which there seems to be a fair argument for.

I, personally, would have no qualms with my team doing the exact same considering it’s been done over and over and will be done again by Vegas now.

The “crux” is your inability to isolate Oilers fans from how defensive you are about your team “not” cheating.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Do you understand what questionable means?

I do in fact have a solid grasp of the word.

Do you understand the meaning behind the phrase "independent oversight" by chance?

 

[Forgot About Drai]

I do in fact have a solid grasp of the word.

Do you understand the meaning behind the phrase "independent oversight" by chance?

Strawman.

 

[Shane Diesel]

It isn’t.

You’re getting posters confused. I stated that some people consider you guys cheaters which there seems to be a fair argument for.

I, personally, would have no qualms with my team doing the exact same considering it’s been done over and over and will be done again by Vegas now.

The “crux” is your inability to isolate Oilers fans from how defensive you are about your team “not” cheating.

I'm not a Vegas fan. Avs fan since '95.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

4 points up on the Wild Card position with LA having 2 games in hand. Let’s not pretend that they wouldn’t want their top players out there to ensure they even make the playoffs.

 

[PuckG]

I'm not a Vegas fan. Avs fan since '95.

Then it’s certainly even weirder that you’re in here making a cap circumvention thread about the Oilers.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Yes? You think the NHL isn’t corrupt? Tim Peel admitted that he (and lord knows who else) manage games. The Hawks covered up a serious crime for a decade and got a tiny slap on the wrist.

Thinking this, or any sports league is honest is laughable.

So you impugn me for generalizing Oilers fans then turn right around and do the same thing with the NHL? KeithIsActuallyBad thy name is hypocrite.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Strawman.

I don’t think you know what that word means…

 

[Shane Diesel]

Then it’s certainly even weirder that you’re in here making a cap circumvention thread about the Oilers.

I'm not, I'm simply calling out the deep ignorance of the CBA by those claiming a vast conspiracy. Just so happens a lot of Oiler fans fall in that bucket.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

So you impugn me for generalizing Oilers fans then turn right around and do the same thing with the NHL? KeithIsActuallyBad thy name is hypocrit.

Dude I don’t know how you can look at this league and say that it’s all hunky dorry? That nothing is wrong. I mean the NHL sure buried that world junior sexual assault thing pretty quickly didn’t they.

I don’t think you know what that word means…

I don’t think you do either.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Dude I don’t know how you can look at this league and say that it’s all hunky dorry?

Where have I said the NHL is perfect? The discussion has been and continues to be LTIR and the mechanisms surrounding it.

That nothing is wrong. I mean the NHL sure buried that world junior sexual assault thing pretty quickly didn’t they.

Five players are facing criminal charges in the province of Ontario, I'm at a complete loss as to what point you're trying to make or how the NHL is "burying" anything. If you want to go make a "sins of the NHL" thread I support you completely and will happily add my thoughts.

The NHL is, in general, a poorly run league if you want my honest opinion. That doesn't mean they are aiding and abetting multi-million dollar fraud every season.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Yes? You think the NHL isn’t corrupt? Tim Peel admitted that he (and lord knows who else) manage games. The Hawks covered up a serious crime for a decade and got a tiny slap on the wrist.

Thinking this, or any sports league is honest is laughable.

If the NHL is rigged, why you watching it? Either your team won’t win and it’s rigged, or you win but somehow the league didn’t rig it that time?

 

[PuckG]

I'm not, I'm simply calling out the deep ignorance of the CBA by those claiming a vast conspiracy. Just so happens a lot of Oiler fans fall in that bucket.

Odd, I’ve found a lot of Avs fans fall in that conspiracy bucket.

And yes, it sounds as stupid when I say it as when you say it.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

If the NHL is rigged, why you watching it? Either your team won’t win and it’s rigged, or you win but somehow the league didn’t rig it that time?

There’s a difference between rigging and corrupt. But you’d think after Tim Peel blurted out that he manages games that there would be some kind of follow up investigation into that. Or anything at all, because there’s a very slim chance he was the only one.