Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.

[Konnan511]

I feel this thread is getting close to Godwin's Law.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

I missed it, which owner or GM is complaining of anything?

 

[Forgot About Drai]

I feel this thread is getting close to Godwin's Law.

Haha I just looked this up - thats hilarious.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Odd, I’ve found a lot of Avs fans fall in that conspiracy bucket.

And yes, it sounds as stupid when I say it as when you say it.

Avs fans, on average, are some of the worst posters on this site. You won't see me defending that fan base on much.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

I missed it, which owner or GM is complaining of anything?

Does that mean anything? I feel like a owner or GM complaining publicly about something like this would be paramount to career suicide lol. I am sure they are a few making calls privately.

I just dont understand why more GMs arent doing the same thing. I think its pretty clear, even though impossible to prove that this is to help bolster your team before deadline. Its asinine to see it being applied so effectively by a team and have basically zero other teams following suit.

 

[Shane Diesel]

I just dont understand why more GMs arent doing the same thing. I think its pretty clear, even though impossible to prove that this is to help bolster your team before deadline. Its asinine to see it being applied so effectively by a team and have basically zero other teams following suit.

Generally speaking, the players with contracts that afford the most LTIR cushion tend to be the better players in the league, although not always. Taking important players out of the line-up usually isn't a recipe for success or favorable playoff seeding.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Generally speaking, the players with contracts that afford the most LTIR cushion tend to be the better players in the league, although not always. Taking important players out of the line-up usually isn't a recipe for success or favorable playoff seeding.

Thats a fair point - I was thinking about it, if you took any of the oilers biggest contracts out of the line ups they would be f***ed. Mcdavid, Drai, Nurse, Hyman out for extended amount of a time and we are screwed

There is prob a way for us to do it, but KH isnt the most creative GM in the world.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

There’s a difference between rigging and corrupt. But you’d think after Tim Peel blurted out that he manages games that there would be some kind of follow up investigation into that. Or anything at all, because there’s a very slim chance he was the only one.

Rigged and corrupt have very similar dictionary definitions. So you’re really splitting hairs with the point you are trying to make.

Rigged - manage or conduct (something) fraudulently so as to produce a result or situation that is advantageous to a particular person.

Corrupt - having or showing a willingness to act dishonestlyin return for money or personal gain.

 

[Budz]

“Gary Approved”

 

[Czechboy]

Pick them up with what? At best they have the assets for a lateral move, at worst any trade acquisition would actively make the team worse. Vegas has already burned most of their futures and surplus assets with value. Any player they have with value right now is a core guy who can't be replaced with depth. Unless a team lets Vegas fleece them at the deadline, there'd be a struggle to make good use of that LTIR cap space.

Vegas is barely above 0.500 since January 1 (10-8-1). The theory that they're shutting Stone and Eichel down til the playoffs to make some big grabs to abuse the cap loophole depends on Vegas being confident that they can still make the playoffs without two of their three top forwards. At best that's a huge gamble, but in reality, it would be a foolish plan. But people just see oh VGK stars are on LTIR and knee jerk with MOOOOM VEGAS IS CHEEEATING AGAIN.

Having Stone and Eichel out til the playoffs would be a disaster to anyone actually paying attention to this team. But I guess I shouldn't expect more from the same board that spent a season droning on about how Vegas f***ed up by firing Gallant the one year the Rangers did well under him and immediately quieted down when the Rags started struggling like Vegas did.

No idea what 'board' you are talking about. But i can assure you I'm not on it.

Vegas is not in threat of not making the playoffs. Please quote me when they fall our of the playoffs.

Please quote me after the TDL when Vegas doesn't pick up any significant players. Really let me have it. I was wrong about Leafs winning without Reilly recently. Totally admitted I was wrong. Happy to do that here too.

 

[RichLittle]

Because it’s fun to dunk on dumb fans who think the NHL isn’t corrupt as hell. Tim Peel, Kyle Beech, the list goes on and on…

Does that mean anything? I feel like a owner or GM complaining publicly about something like this would be paramount to career suicide lol. I am sure they are a few making calls privately.

I just dont understand why more GMs arent doing the same thing. I think it's pretty clear, even though impossible to prove that this is to help bolster your team before deadline. It's asinine to see it being applied so effectively by a team and have basically zero other teams following suit.

A GM can't tell a player, especially a young guy with career aspirations to sit for no reason. Players train to play, not play cap trickery. And it would be illegal, NHLPA would raise hell and on and on. It only works for players that tack on an extra year to their last career contract to lower the AAV and have a "arrangement" with the team that they would not play that last year or 2. Think Mike Smith's mystery LTIR, officially classified as undisclosed and Duncan Keith, old goat signed a contract but decided to retire only to get hired to the front office. Both players got paid, team got their cap relief and careers weren't affected.

 

[Czechboy]

Our team is kind of a mess right now and I’m really skeptical of our playoff chances even if Buchnevic is added. Trading for him means we have to give something up and in the off-season we will have extra salary we need to get rid of. That could mean giving away another popular player for nothing to get under the cap AFTER getting beat down in the playoffs.

Also, it’s an adjustment for any player to move to a new team and he won’t have much time to get going.


We had our best skaters in game 5 of the Finals and the lineup was cap compliant.

I actually see you as heavy Cup favorites with the Avs in the West. I'll be in shock if you don't make the playoffs. I'll be in shock if you don't add some big pieces before TDL. Won't lie, my last concern is the Knights making the playoffs and succeeding.

Cap compliant in game 5 of the finals... no one has answered this for me... were you cap compliant in round 1? Round 2? Or Round 3? Do you think you'll be cap compliant in round 1 this year?

 

[iCanada]

the problem is pretty straight forward. Player A gets injured, he goes on LTIR, team A gets players B with the money freed with player A be on the LTIR, team A keep player A on the LTIR even though he is healthy till the playoffs and get use player A and B. Team A should not be able to use both players.


Can you take of your rose coloured glasses for a sec? You would quickly see it is not only oiler fans unhappy with what is about to happen. If any Canadian team tried this? The nhl would step in so quickly our heads would spin.

Not just Canadian teams.

I bet a team like the Devil's would get their peepee slapped pretty hard too.

 

[ecemleafs]

Why doesn't the NHL just keep the salary cap in place during the playoffs in the next CBA?

 

[RichLittle]

How many were accusing Colorado of cap tricks last year? Only problem, oops, Landeskog is still out. So jumping to conclusions was wrong, as pretty much always.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Mark Stone has a lacerated spleen. The lengths Vegas goes to to circumvent the cap is astounding. Real championship caliber.

 

[Duder54]

This could all be fixed by mandating that players still on LTIR at the end of the regular season are ineligible for the playoffs.

 

[AKL]

This could all be fixed by mandating that players still on LTIR at the end of the regular season are ineligible for the playoffs.

There are numerous ways to fix it, I think the NHL (and the owners) just don't want to fix it.

 

[coolboarder]

If teams are going to circumvent the cap, push the trade deadlines up to just before the All-Stars, that way, they can't really circumvent the cap closer to the playoffs. They would have to make decisions and if the teams try to circumvent, they could easily check with the health of players status.

 

[HanSolo]

No idea what 'board' you are talking about. But i can assure you I'm not on it.

Vegas is not in threat of not making the playoffs. Please quote me when they fall our of the playoffs.

Please quote me after the TDL when Vegas doesn't pick up any significant players. Really let me have it. I was wrong about Leafs winning without Reilly recently. Totally admitted I was wrong. Happy to do that here too.

They're ten points ahead of the last wild card and dropping games to teams they should be beating. There's no guarantee they can hold on with 26 more games to go especially with Stone out. I'm not saying it's a certainty but missing another star forward isn't going to help. This isn't like last year when the team was playing well in spite of Stone being out. They're playing poorer with Eichel out and it's only going to get worse with Stone joining him on LTIR.

 

[JoVel]

People are losing their minds, claiming Mark Stone is faking his injury, as if he hasn't been injured his entire career.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

There are numerous ways to fix it, I think the NHL (and the owners) just don't want to fix it.

^^^ This. It is an issue that bothers maybe 0.001% of hockey fans and utterly nobody else. Kuch understood this better than anybody, thus his open trolling of those fans.

 

[RichLittle]

This could all be fixed by mandating that players still on LTIR at the end of the regular season are ineligible for the playoffs.

So if the team wins the cup, the players name wouldn't be engraved for generations to see. Literally the biggest accomplishment a player strives for. Sounds fair LOL. But whiny fans would be happy.

 

[Czechboy]

They're ten points ahead of the last wild card and dropping games to teams they should be beating. There's no guarantee they can hold on with 26 more games to go especially with Stone out. I'm not saying it's a certainty but missing another star forward isn't going to help. This isn't like last year when the team was playing well in spite of Stone being out. They're playing poorer with Eichel out and it's only going to get worse with Stone joining him on LTIR.

Please quote me when they fall out of the playoffs and don't make it. Happy to admit I'm wrong.

 

[Czechboy]

Not just Canadian teams.

I bet a team like the Devil's would get their peepee slapped pretty hard too.

Don't they have LTIR space for Hamilton... I actually thought they would be the first team to do it this season.