Vegas about to circumvent cap again? UPD: Mark Stone back practicing.

[SopelFanThe3rd]

Pretty safe to say that you're sleeping alone these days.

Nah I enjoy it. Keeps me warm.

 

[Czechboy]

Pretty safe to say that you're sleeping alone these days.

It hasn't been good for my dating life... Lol

 

[BostonBob]

Nah I enjoy it. Keeps me warm.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

Kiss me.

 

[Vegas07]

But why would someone not make deals if the cheating had no affect on them? The teams selling at the deadline have by in large given up. Seems dumb to not profit from trading with Vegas, since you know that next year they can't run the roster back. The cap overage is a temporary thing, basement dwellers shouldn't factor it in. Not sure why that's interpreted as an argument that massive cap overages are okay.

Isn’t that position inconsistent though? Should teams do the right thing? Or should they not care about cheating and only do what helps themselves?

If the second part is true, then perhaps Vegas should not care about cheating and only do what helps themselves.

 

[Another Empty Netter]

Cheating, or greasy?

 

[wingerdinger]

Its not cheating but it does go against the spirit of competition.

I dont blame vegas or any team for exploiting the loophole, i do blame the league for allowing it.

I do actively root against Vegas as a result.

 

[WhataKnight]

Cheating, or greasy?

Exactly this.. I want everyone to do it. Let's see how hard that rule is to change.lol. Or let them do it. Fine either way. All of us or none of us.

And I say this a lot... I have zero issue with Vegas doing it. My issue is the oil haven't.lol

If Edmonton, Colorado and Dallas did it, I would have NOTHING to say against. Nothing.

As said elsewhere in this thread, it is the physics of the environment. Vegas isn’t the only team with access.

 

[pantherbot]

As Mark Stone prepares for playoff return, Golden Knights respond to 'insinuation'

Stone missed 25 games with a lacerated spleen, and Vegas used his cap space to acquire players before the trade deadline.

theathletic.com

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FWIW if there was a cap the Knights would be under it for their G1 roster.

That…..is beautiful…..and sublime in SO many ways…..

Any doubts? THIS is the post.
Any accusations? THIS IS THE POST.

Anyone thinking that this is an illegal roster for the regular season…..and I myself……overlooked the work of art that is Logan Thompson’s contract: $766k.

Ladies and gentlemen, the Vegas Golden Knights have a compliant roster.

lol I knew these takes were coming, completely ignoring the benefit of having the flexibility and depth because of going over the cap and using the LTIR loophole. If Vegas wasn't doing the LTIR thing with Stone, they wouldn't be icing a playoff roster anywhere near the cap, wouldn't be able to add Hanifin, Hertl, Mantha, etc.

What a stupid take.

 

[WhataKnight]

lol I knew these takes were coming, completely ignoring the benefit of having the flexibility and depth because of going over the cap and using the LTIR loophole. If Vegas wasn't doing the LTIR thing with Stone, they wouldn't be icing a playoff roster anywhere near the cap, wouldn't be able to add Hanifin, Hertl, Mantha, etc.

What a stupid take.

Just take off. Valid injuries; valid roster. “What a stupid take”? Go buy some gauze and a spritzer.

Worry about it this off-season when they have to shed. Until then, it is legal, so keep the “stupid” take to yourself.

Blame the league, the CBA, and those making trades with the Knights (a la Weber). Don’t get upset at the fact that this roster could play in the regular season.

Thanks for the nothingburger. It is STILL compliant, as much as it may offend you. Only stupid take I see here is someone waiting to bitch about how it actually could see regular season ice.

(You may have an argument in the off-season, but you don’t have it now.)

 

[pantherbot]

Just take off. Valid injuries; valid roster. “What a stupid take”? Go buy some gauze and a spritzer.

Worry about it this off-season when they have to shed. Until then, it is legal, so keep the “stupid” take to yourself.

Blame the league, the CBA, and those making trades with the Knights (a la Weber). Don’t get upset at the fact that this roster could play in the regular season.

Thanks for the nothingburger. It is STILL compliant, as much as it may offend you. Only stupid take I see here is someone waiting to bitch about how it actually could see regular season ice.

For the millionth time, not blaming Vegas for taking advantage of a loophole the league has been too lazy to close. Stop with the victim mentality, its tiring. Your management team has been really smart about it, just f***ing own it already. I loved Kucherov's shirt, because they took advantage and they don't care to acknowledge it.

And yes your take is dumb because you're completely ignoring that without the LTIR loophole, Vegas would not have added those players at the deadline.

 

[WhataKnight]

For the millionth time, not blaming Vegas for taking advantage of a loophole the league has been too lazy to close. Stop with the victim mentality, its tiring. Your management team has been really smart about it, just f***ing own it already. I loved Kucherov's shirt, because they took advantage and they don't care to acknowledge it.

And yes your take is dumb because you're completely ignoring that without the LTIR loophole, Vegas would not have added those players at the deadline.

Blah. You don’t like it? Don’t respond acting so skinned.

That roster is compliant. Save it.

 

[WhataKnight]

For the millionth time, not blaming Vegas for taking advantage of a loophole the league has been too lazy to close. Stop with the victim mentality, its tiring. Your management team has been really smart about it, just f***ing own it already. I loved Kucherov's shirt, because they took advantage and they don't care to acknowledge it.

And yes your take is dumb because you're completely ignoring that without the LTIR loophole, Vegas would not have added those players at the deadline.

82.1785M.

No victim mentality. I’m just sick to death of having to explain CBA and contract windows to people hunting for witches.

Percentage of cap: 98.417%

 

[North Cole]

Isn’t that position inconsistent though? Should teams do the right thing? Or should they not care about cheating and only do what helps themselves?

If the second part is true, then perhaps Vegas should not care about cheating and only do what helps themselves.

Of course they should, I never took the position they shouldn't. I don't think the position is inconsistent, I think it comes down to the fact that the business of the NHL and product of the NHL being incongruent. Which is a different conversation.

I can understand Vegas doing shenanigans because it helps them, while teams trade with it because it helps them, while the NHL ignores it all because the business is highly profitable, while fans think its bullshit because it ruins the spirit of the rules and cultivates an uneven playing field. The NHL doesn't really give a shit about uneven playing fields or the integrity of their product because they are rich and getting richer. If they cared about these other things maybe things like reffing would get fixed.

 

[pantherbot]

82.1785M.

No victim mentality. I’m just sick to death of having to explain CBA and contract windows to people hunting for witches.

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Percentage of cap: 98.417%

You have Martinez, Mantha, and Carrier out. They all played after the deadline and could play during the playoffs. You have Hanifin and Hertl as replacements for Game 1. If you can't see how having Stone on LTIR allowed Vegas to make moves that result in that Game 1 roster, then you're just being biased.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Friedman carrying water for Vegas 3 seasons in a row about this is what pisses me off more than anything.

The rule are dumb but Vegas isn’t doing anything illegal. I would love for my team to actually make the playoffs so they could do it.

But Friedman going on air multiple times and swearing up and down that it’s not gonna happen again is where I get frustrated. Don’t piss on us and say it’s rain.

 

[WhataKnight]

You have Martinez, Mantha, and Carrier out. They all played after the deadline and could play during the playoffs. You have Hanifin and Hertl as replacements for Game 1. If you can't see how having Stone on LTIR allowed Vegas to make moves that result in that Game 1 roster, then you're just being biased.

Here’s the thing. I do see that. Look back in the thread. I blame the CBA.

I’m not as biased as you think, so much as sick of explaining that the CBA AND LEAGUE ALLOWED THIS years before my team was a team.

I mentioned the resigned take in one of my recent posts, as well as my desire for a method to allow all teams to move assets with more fluidity.

I’m not going to blame the Knights for doing something that 28 gunshy owners avoid, especially after as many legal teams as were involved left it alone. Yes - Stone’s injury helped them acquire other players. Could the Avs not have done the same with Landy, had he been healthy?

I’m as bored with backing my team through the butthurt over the Knights’ legal team short bussing 90% of the league as I am with other franchises not utilizing everything they can. At the end of the day, owners and the NHLPA got us here.

I’m bored as shit with getting “victim” BS thrown at me because other owners/GMs can’t use a ladder after the definition has been given. Blame more contemptible parties that let this happen and don’t, won’t or can’t factor it in to their own moves.

Friedman carrying water for Vegas 3 seasons in a row about this is what pisses me off more than anything.

The rule are dumb but Vegas isn’t doing anything illegal. I would love for my team to actually make the playoffs so they could do it.

But Friedman going on air multiple times and swearing up and down that it’s not gonna happen again is where I get frustrated. Don’t piss on us and say it’s rain.

I truly didn’t think Stone would be back this fast.

Sounds crazy, but I didn’t. Elsewhere I. This same thread, I’d even said I was thinking 2nd round.

Either way, if Mantha, Martinez and Carrier are legitimately injured/scratched, the league doesn’t have much to say. 1.3215 in space is legal.

Bored with the victim mentality? Fine. I’m bored with it, too. Blame owners not going all the way for not going all the way.

 

[The Flying Octopus]

Who cares, Dallas is about to pump Vegas 4-0 and send Bettman a message that hockey in Vegas is for non hockey fans wanting to experience their first game or attend a game watching their team play Vegas. If Vegas thinks other NHL teams doesnt has their number when it comes to this topic, after playing Bettman and his possey two years in a row, then you just don't understand the hidden rules in the NHL.

Cute story for Vegas the last few years, however, its about to go downhill for them real fast and I am here for it.

#dallas
#getownedvegas
#vegaswho
#bettmanspossey

 

[WhataKnight]

Who cares, Dallas is about to pump Vegas 4-0 and send Bettman a message that hockey in Vegas is for non hockey fans wanting to experience their first game or attend a game watching their team play Vegas. If Vegas thinks other NHL teams doesnt has their number when it comes to this topic, after playing Bettman and his possey two years in a row, then you just don't understand the hidden rules in the NHL.

Cute story for Vegas the last few years, however, its about to go downhill for them real fast and I am here for it.

#dallas
#getownedvegas
#vegaswho
#bettmanspossey

That roster will still be ice cold at the start of next year, and Vegas has their first Cup.

Calma te.

 

[pantherbot]

Here’s the thing. I do see that. Look back in the thread. I blame the CBA.

I’m not as biased as you think, so much as sick of explaining that the CBA AND LEAGUE ALLOWED THIS years before my team was a team.

I mentioned the resigned take in one of my recent posts, as well as my desire for a method to allow all teams to move assets with more fluidity.

I’m not going to blame the Knights for doing something that 28 gunshy owners avoid, especially after as many legal teams as were involved left it alone. Yes - Stone’s injury helped them acquire other players. Could the Avs not have done the same with Landy?

I’m as bored with backing my team through the butthurt over the Knights’ legal team short bussing 90% of the league as I am with other franchises not utilizing everything they can. At the end of the day, owners and the NHLPA got us here.

I’m bored as shit with getting “victim” BS thrown at me because other owners/GMs can’t use a ladder after the definition has been given. Blame more contemptible parties that let this happen and don’t, won’t or can’t factor it in to their own moves.

Yes I've seen you acknowledge there's an issue and I don't actually care the Knights or any other team takes advantage, it is what it is now.

But go read your post again celebrating the Vegas Game 1 roster technically being under the cap and tell me that doesn't sound like someone who thinks this is all good and dandy. Why would you even care if they are over or under the cap, unless you think it actually means something.

 

[WhataKnight]

Yes I've seen you acknowledge there's an issue and I don't actually care the Knights or any other team takes advantage, it is what it is now.

But go read your post again celebrating the Vegas Game 1 roster technically being under the cap and tell me that doesn't sound like someone who thinks this is all good and dandy. Why would you even care if they are over or under the cap, unless you think it actually means something.

You have a valid point.

My point was that the roster, as posted, would work in the regs. It isn’t like, millions over like so many are so keen to accuse - due to rules agreed to by the league.

I’m not trying to be a dick about that to anyone so much as express shock, amazement and surprise that Lugerner and McCrimmon made it work.

(I’m not even thinking they’ll absolutely repeat. Dallas is tough, as are the playoffs. This Knights fan knows games must be played.)

 

[WhataKnight]

Sidepoint, and this is a spicy one.

I’m happy knowing that the office running the team I love does everything they can, and when it’s a shitshow in 4 years, I’ll still back this team.

 

[wingsfan17]

It's funny, but who cares? If people want to root against Vegas for "cheating", so be it. But realistically everyone wishes their team could be in the same boat. It's one thing if it were such a loophole that the league knows they have to take immediate action to change it. But 2 of the last 3 champs have circumvented the cap and there's been no change. At this point it's the smart thing to do. If you can't beat them, join them. Not saying it's "right" or "good for the game", but if the league allows it, how can you fault Vegas?

 

[Mr Positive]

It's funny, but who cares? If people want to root against Vegas for "cheating", so be it. But realistically everyone wishes their team could be in the same boat. It's one thing if it were such a loophole that the league knows they have to take immediate action to change it. But 2 of the last 3 champs have circumvented the cap and there's been no change. At this point it's the smart thing to do. If you can't beat them, join them. Not saying it's "right" or "good for the game", but if the league allows it, how can you fault Vegas?

Of course every fan wishes their team could get an extra 10 million in cap space. The talk of "don't blame GMs using every resource available to them" is admitting that it's cheating. It's a rule that is intended to allow for teams with injuries to replace what they've lost and ice full rosters. When teams and players conspire to use this late in the season to load up cap, it's against the spirit of the rule.

It's also a bizarre positive attribute to give to a player: that this player can reliably be counted on to have some minor issue and will time their treatment to maximize the teams playoff salary roster. It becomes a downside for a player to never want to sit out or time treatments and return dates in purely medical terms

 

[hangman005]

I go to bed every night shitting my pants that they extend him.

You would have thought by now you'd make a stop at the toilet first.