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Czechboy said:
So I had an angry LV fan last night explaining that it is not reallly true and that only Oiler fans get mad about this. So, few things,

1. I'm an Oiler fan
2. I think it is hillarious that teams pull this off in broad daylight in front of everyone and keep typing 'if you aren't cheating, you aren't trying'. I didn't mind when Tampa did it. In fact, I wish the Oil could do it this Spring!

Here is my question. The counter (and it's above) is that LV was under the cap for the Finals. Great.. were they under the cap in rounds 1, 2 and 3? Seems like an odd place to draw the line - in our 14th playoff game, we weren't over the cap. What about the games before that one because I assume an injury happened in the finals to put the team below the cap and not sort of guilty conscience and the GM saying 'no, let's not ice our best possible roster so Oil fans on HF aren't mad'. Am I close?
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The only significant injury I remember was a goalie injury in the second round. I don’t see why the game the team won the cup with is an odd place to mention.

Also I thought the narrative was the team was supposed to add a major star in a trade to give it an unfair advantage. Which star was added? A washed up 4th string goalie?
 
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snag said:
There are lots of things I can do in this world....and are perfectly legal. I just don't. Wonder why that is.
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I mean... these teams are owned by billionaires who exploit people for a living. Let's not act as if any of them would not take advantage of something like this because of their ethical stance.
 
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snag said:
There are lots of things I can do in this world....and are perfectly legal. I just don't. Wonder why that is.



That is like saying it isn't wrong if it isn't illegal.
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So I guess the front office should feel guilty about trading for a 4th line player and a 4th string goalie because that gave the team such an unfair advantage.

McDavid must have been terrified when he saw a potential playoff opponent make those scary additions.
 
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Vegas07 said:
I don’t see why the game the team won the cup with is an odd place to mention.
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Because they won 15 games before that?

I didn't realize Vegas didnt' add anyone with that LTIR space last season... I thought they were 14 million over at the end of the season?

 
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I don't see the issue with it, it isn't like they are putting a random plug on a terrible contract on the LTIR to get the cap benefit.

They will be without their second leading scorer for 1/3 of the season which will impact where they finish and can even lead to them missing the playoffs.

Its within the rules and it says more about the strength of their team that they are able to do this and still more than likely make the playoffs.
 
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I feel so bad for every other team that doesn't get to "circumvent" the cap by having their best players get injured for months every season. Some teams just have all the luck. Instead of showing up early to training camp McDavid needs to tear his ACL to show his commitment to the team.


P.S. I have this buddy Jeff Gillooly who anyone can call if they want their star players to have an "accident." DM me for his deets.
 
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Now Stone is "out for a while". Vegas considering LTIR for him also.
Nope, nothing to see here. Hope this bites them in the @$$ and they drop to a wildcard spot. just missing the playoffs would be sweet karma.
 
I would just love to see the main boards if Montreal went on a run and had Anderson on LTIR or Toronto doing it with Tavares, Edmonton with whoever. Toronto was cheating with Murray and Klingberg and neither of them will even touch the ice in the playoffs lol
 
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I see Oiler fans are still big mad at the defending Stanley Cup champs.

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The funny thing is fans acting like their own team wouldn't do the same thing if the situation presented itself.

News flash peple, your team is not all sunshine and roses either. I guarantee you every team would do it too.

As long as it within the rules, teams will exploit it.

Tampa was the only team to go against it in the past, but the other gms didn't care to change it.
 
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VEGASKING said:
I feel so bad for every other team that doesn't get to "circumvent" the cap by having their best players get injured for months every season. Some teams just have all the luck. Instead of showing up early to training camp McDavid needs to tear his ACL to show his commitment to the team.


P.S. I have this buddy Jeff Gillooly who anyone can call if they want their star players to have an "accident." DM me for his deets.
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Wouldn't luck also include that these injured players are healthy for game 1 of the playoffs? Tampa ltir guy played every playoff game didn't he on the way to the Cup? How many playoff games did stone miss last playoffs? How many playoff games would you guess stone and Eichel will miss this playoff season? I'll go first.. zero.

Your McDavid example at the start of the season isn't what happened in Tampa or LV. However... If the oil were as deep as LV or Tampa, in a playoff spot and Nurse got hurt in February and was able to return till game 1 of playoffs. I'd be ecstatic to use that 9 mill at the TDL. I'd change my name to circumventboy for the playoffs.

Again.. I'm all for it and it's n the rulebook. Totally agree that it is a reflection of great depth for LV. Let's not pretend that LV or Tampa were victims though.
 
Mr Positive said:
It almost needs a new word. Is it circumvention if the medical issue has been playable for a while, but the timing of going on LTIR is selected just to spend at the deadline, with Eichel returning just in time for the cap to disappear?

Honestly, if the medical issue is real (which it is) then you can't call it circumvention
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What you can call it is effective.

How many cup winners in the last X years have done this?

Some pundits put up the argument that X team only iced a cap compliant lineup in the playoffs so it doesn't matter, but that is a load of bull f***ing shit. Having the ability to drop 10 million in cap space on a player that isn't performing and replacing them with a player making 10 million that is.. is massive.

For illustration's sake I'll use the Oilers. Let's pretend Jack Campbell gets LTIR'd (now don't be a pedantic ass and say the salaries don't match or he's in the minors. It's an example so go with it). He's been crap all year and doesn't help the team in the least bit but cost 5 million in cap space. That let's us trade for someone like Pavel Buchnevich come trade deadline. Come playoffs we don't dress Campbell because well he sucks balls. But we do get to dress Buchnevich so it appears we're playoff cap compliant or close enough. The ability to drop X million in dead weight to replace with X million in a solid player is fantastic. The media fails to inform the fans about this.

You can call it cap circumvention, good practice, whatever I don't care. All I know is it works and if you go back and look at past cup winners. There's more than 1 that have done this.

Argue the legality.. But I don't think there's any argument about how truly effective this strategy is.
 
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Vegas07 said:
So I guess the front office should feel guilty about trading for a 4th line player and a 4th string goalie because that gave the team such an unfair advantage.

McDavid must have been terrified when he saw a potential playoff opponent make those scary additions.
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How did a 4th line player and 4th strong goalie put you 14 million over the cap?
 
Lacaar said:
What you can call it is effective.

How many cup winners in the last X years have done this?

Some pundits put up the argument that X team only iced a cap compliant lineup in the playoffs so it doesn't matter, but that is a load of bull f***ing shit. Having the ability to drop 10 million in cap space on a player that isn't performing and replacing them with a player making 10 million that is.. is massive.

For illustration's sake I'll use the Oilers. Let's pretend Jack Campbell gets LTIR'd (now don't be a pedantic ass and say the salaries don't match or he's in the minors. It's an example so go with it). He's been crap all year and doesn't help the team in the least bit but cost 5 million in cap space. That let's us trade for someone like Pavel Buchnevich come trade deadline. Come playoffs we don't dress Campbell because well he sucks balls. But we do get to dress Buchnevich so it appears we're playoff cap compliant or close enough. The ability to drop X million in dead weight to replace with X million in a solid player is fantastic. The media fails to inform the fans about this.

You can call it cap circumvention, good practice, whatever I don't care. All I know is it works and if you go back and look at past cup winners. There's more than 1 that have done this.

Argue the legality.. But I don't think there's any argument about how truly effective this strategy is.
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Couldn't agree more but some posters seem to portraying LV as victims here. Like it will be an amazing coincidence when they, using your example, pick up buchnevic and then stone and Eichel are healthy for game 1 of playoffs. Hell, if I were Vegas I'd get Tanev just to f*** with my oil.lol.
 
Spawn said:
Surely you can understand the difference between two players never playing hockey again versus players being too injured to play in the regular season but miraculously being healthy enough for day one of the playoffs.
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I understand an under the table arrangement. Sign longer deal for lower cap hit and we will LTIR/retire you with a front office job last year of ur contract to still pay you and help the team circumvent cap limits. It's cheating, as clear as day.
Imagine signing a guy that's 34 for 7 years for lower AAV and then LTIR him for the last 2 or 3 due to undisclosed reasons (like Smith) or retire them and give them front office jobs. Those aren't tracked by NHL. Failed physical, too many hot dogs? That's cheating. Oilers did it twice. No-one is complaining about Klefbom, he had a legit career ending injury.
 
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