Value of: Vancouver Vs Colorado Thread

[McJedi]

Byram elevated that second pairing in the playoffs last year to such an extent that it wasn’t some huge drop off from the Makar-Toews pairing. In this scenario, are you certain the second pairing would be just as good if you switched Byram and Toews? I’m not.

Btw, the Reilly in the playoffs flex is weird considering Byram and Toews are already known for having success in the later rounds. And I’m not saying that to wisecrack Toronto. They’re actually one of my secondary teams. I’m saying this because two of those guys are known and one is a guess.

I love Byram. His playoff performance was shocking and incredibly well timed. But I hate him paired with Girard. It’s two puck movers. Two guys that run a pair. It’s way out of balance and doesn’t work.

We really miss Manson. And EJ to a lesser extent.

Byram with another goal today. That’s 7 in 30 games with no PP1 ice time. Quinn Hughes has 5 goals in 62 games with full PP 1 ice time.

Don’t think it’s debatable which guy can score better.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I love Byram. His playoff performance was shocking and incredibly well timed. But I hate him paired with Girard. It’s two puck movers. Two guys that run a pair. It’s way out of balance and doesn’t work.

We really miss Manson. And EJ to a lesser extent.

Byram with another goal today. That’s 7 in 30 games with no PP1 ice time. Quinn Hughes has 5 goals in 62 games with full PP 1 ice time.

Don’t think it’s debatable which guy can score better.

And Hughes has 62 points, near a PPG. Guess we know who’s the better offensive player. His defensive metrics are also much better than Byram’s.

I’d temper expectations on Byram, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment if you’re constantly comparing him to Hughes.

 

[McJedi]

And Hughes has 62 points, near a PPG. Guess we know who’s the better offensive player. His defensive metrics are also much better than Byram’s.

I’d temper expectations on Byram, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment if you’re constantly comparing him to Hughes.

Hughes is a career - player. And he racks up a lot of PP points and secondary assists. He’s getting about 50% of his points on the PP. dude isn’t nearly as productive 5 vs 5.

Byram scores more. It’s harder to score than rack up secondary assists.

Hughes also has a whooping 16 hits all season. He’s really dynamic defensively alright. Hughes gets 62% ozone draws he’s so good defensively. Byram at 51% Ozme draws and has far more % of his points at 5 vs 5.

I’ll give you this. Quinn Hughes is quite good on the PP. but very sheltered player by his coaching staff for a true number 1.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I love Byram. His playoff performance was shocking and incredibly well timed. But I hate him paired with Girard. It’s two puck movers. Two guys that run a pair. It’s way out of balance and doesn’t work.

We really miss Manson. And EJ to a lesser extent.

Byram with another goal today. That’s 7 in 30 games with no PP1 ice time. Quinn Hughes has 5 goals in 62 games with full PP 1 ice time.

Don’t think it’s debatable which guy can score better.

Quinn Hughes's complete lack of goal scoring ability is another concerning defect in his game. Most all timer dmen can pot a few 20 goal seasons.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Hughes is a career - player. And he racks up a lot of PP points and secondary assists. He’s getting about 50% of his points on the PP. dude isn’t nearly as productive 5 vs 5.

Byram scores more. It’s harder to score than rack up secondary assists.

Hughes also has a whooping 16 hits all season. He’s really dynamic defensively alright. Hughes gets 62% ozone draws he’s so good defensively. Byram at 51% Ozme draws and has far more % of his points at 5 vs 5.

I’ll give you this. Quinn Hughes is quite good on the PP. but very sheltered player by his coaching staff for a true number 1.

Hughes has 48% offensive zone starts. He averages 26 minutes a night (averages 29 minutes the last 10 games) so he’s definitely not being sheltered He has 22 power play points which is a quarter of his total points, half of them primary assists.

I’d be careful calling Hughes a PP specialist when Makar has more PP points and most of them being secondary points in less games. In fact 48% of Makar’s points are literally on the PP LOL.

For someone who watches more Canucks games than Avs games, you sure are clueless, and it shows how little you know. You’re obsessive and unhealthy infatuation for Boeser makes you unable to process anything else.

It’s hard to take you serious, or any of your other pals here.

Today I learned Makar is a PP specialist though. Neat.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Quinn Hughes's complete lack of goal scoring ability is another concerning defect in his game. Most all timer dmen can pot a few 20 goal seasons.

He doesn’t need to when he has 3 30 goal scorers.

 

[Ghetty Green]

You haven’t watched Byram. You strike me as someone who thought Hughes was better than Makar

Lol

 

[GirardSpinorama]

He doesn’t need to when he has 3 30 goal scorers.

If he scores some goals maybe the Canucks wouldn't be near bottom of the league.

 

[McJedi]

Hughes has 48% offensive zone starts. He averages 26 minutes a night (averages 29 minutes the last 10 games) so he’s definitely not being sheltered He has 22 power play points which is a quarter of his total points, half of them primary assists.

I’d be careful calling Hughes a PP specialist when Makar has more PP points and most of them being secondary points in less games. In fact 48% of Makar’s points are literally on the PP LOL.

For someone who watches more Canucks games than Avs games, you sure are clueless, and it shows how little you know. You’re obsessive and unhealthy infatuation for Boeser makes you unable to process anything else.

It’s hard to take you serious, or any of your other pals here.

Today I learned Makar is a PP specialist though. Neat.

Hughes is at 62% Ozone starts.

24 of his 57 assists are PP. 2 of his 5 goals are PP. his stats are very much a function of the PP.

Makar has 64 career goals to Hughes 24. Hughes has played in like 30 more NHL games too. Hughes will get to 64 career goals around year 2031 at the pace he scores.

I’ve dunked on you Vancouver fans in terms of Boeser’s lack of trade value so many times, the rim is broken at this point. I’ve understood the trade value of your overpaid players far better than y’all did/do.

But Brock got one tonight.

I’m pretty amused you’re playing yourself out of the top of this awesome lottery. Vancouvers owner is hell bent on being an 11th overall pick type team for the foreseeable future. Stuck in NHL purgatory.

 

[josra33]

Aves have gone out and traded for guys like EJ, JJ, Manson.

They like guys who play physical defense.

And rely on Makar to play the role Hughes does.

They're still stuck in the one D is offensive and one D is big hitter.

So they would turn down Hughes. Hughes is better than Byram but the Aves managment are still stuck in 1992.

You mean the team that just won the r cup is stuck in 1992? Weird statement to make.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Hughes is at 62% Ozone starts.

24 of his 57 assists are PP. 2 of his 5 goals are PP. his stats are very much a function of the PP.

Makar has 64 career goals to Hughes 24. Hughes has played in like 30 more NHL games too. Hughes will get to 64 career goals around year 2031 at the pace he scores.

I’ve dunked on you Vancouver fans in terms of Boeser’s lack of trade value so many times, the rim is broken at this point. I’ve understood the trade value of your overpaid players far better than y’all did/do.

But Brock got one tonight.

I’m pretty amused you’re playing yourself out of the top of this awesome lottery. Vancouvers owner is hell bent on being an 11th overall pick type team for the foreseeable future. Stuck in NHL purgatory.

Yet Makar’s point totals is 48% from PP. Also, his offensive starts are 48%. Don’t know where you get your info from.

We’re sitting at 8th with 4 points separating us to 4th for the lottery, with teams around us with games in hand.

Your troll job is wack, and your knowledge of hockey is severely limited and lacking.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Yet Makar’s point totals is 48% from PP. Also, his offensive starts are 48%. Don’t know where you get your info from.

We’re sitting at 8th with 4 points separating us to 4th for the lottery, with teams around us with games in hand.

Your troll job is wack, and your knowledge of hockey is severely limited and lacking.

Quinn Hughes Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Salary, Title | Hockey-Reference.com According to these advanced stats his offensive zone starts are at 61.5% for all situations (under possession metrics).

For someone who is accusing others of having bad info or of being disingenuous with their statements you haven’t really provided actual facts either. Even small simple statements such as his PP points ( he has 26, not 22 as you claim, and he has gone pointless in his last three, so stats not updating won’t account for that).

You also throw in a fun math problem, saying “ He has 22 power play points which is a quarter of his total points, half of them primary assists.” If the 22 PP points (an incorrect number as mentioned) is a quarter of his total points, you are saying he has 88 points on the season, 44 of which are primary assists?

None of this is to say Quinn is a bad player, but rather that if you are going to call out other people for having bad facts, maybe double check you own?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

"Improved Defensive ability"

 

[LemonSauceD]

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"Improved Defensive ability"

Huh?

So which one of you said Byram is a top rated defenseman and is better than Hughes…. I’ll wait.

LOL. Sheltered defenseman. Again, let me know when Byram becomes half the player Hughes is now. It’ll be a couple of years. I mean look at his GSVA.

Colorado fans here just love talking out of their asses. It’s quite comical

 

[McVespa99]

Byram was a 4th overall pick, and has already logged top minutes on a Stanley Cup winning roster as a 20 year old.

Why would Avs trade him for 6th/7th overall and what could be a pretty mediocre pick in 2025 (for example 16th overall, as Newhook was)?

Concussions?

 

[canuckking1]

Huh?

So which one of you said Byram is a top rated defenseman and is better than Hughes…. I’ll wait.

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LOL. Sheltered defenseman. Again, let me know when Byram becomes half the player Hughes is now. It’ll be a couple of years. I mean look at his GSVA.

Colorado fans here just love talking out of their asses. It’s quite comical

2.7M that’s surprisingly low. Like below a top 4Dmen calibre low.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

2.7M that’s surprisingly low. Like below a top 4Dmen calibre low.

It's almost like that number is based on inaccurate projections from his first 49 regular season games, and doesn't take into account what he did in the playoffs...

And the Avs would also very happily sign him to that cap hit 100 times out of 10, without any question.

 

[LemonSauceD]

Hughes lives rent free in Colorado fans heads. “Oh he’s a PP specialist” (checks Makar’s power play %, it’s higher than Hughes’s average), “he can’t defend” (top 15 in GSVA, on the ice for 52 goals good for top 10 in the league), “oh he only grabs secondary assists” (has more primary points than secondary and leads the NHL in outlet passes made).

It’s comical at this point, Avs fans infatuation of Hughes.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Hughes lives rent free in Colorado fans heads. “Oh he’s a PP specialist” (checks Makar’s power play %, it’s higher than Hughes’s average), “he can’t defend” (top 15 in GSVA, on the ice for 52 goals good for top 10 in the league), “oh he only grabs secondary assists” (has more primary points than secondary and leads the NHL in outlet passes made).

It’s comical at this point, Avs fans infatuation of Hughes.

Please, tell us more about this alleged infatuation Avs fans have with Vancouver players in this thread you started about your utterly unique and novel idea to try to get Byram on the Canucks.

And while you're at it, can you explain how Hughes' career 0.76 APG in that first tweet is better than Makar's career 0.76 APG? Is it literally just the 37 additional games that Hughes has played?

 

[Spilot23]

This thread should be closed. It's now an unnecessary Byram vs Hughes where both teams are happy to keep their player if we factor role, position and cap. No need to go further at this point

 

[John Mandalorian]

Hughes lives rent free in Colorado fans heads. “Oh he’s a PP specialist” (checks Makar’s power play %, it’s higher than Hughes’s average), “he can’t defend” (top 15 in GSVA, on the ice for 52 goals good for top 10 in the league), “oh he only grabs secondary assists” (has more primary points than secondary and leads the NHL in outlet passes made).

It’s comical at this point, Avs fans infatuation of Hughes.

Go look at page 1. The Avs fans are so infatuated with Hughes, that Hughes wasn't even mentioned until the 22nd post of the thread - and it was first brought up by a Canucks fan.

And what's just as daft is that Avs fans saying they'd prefer Byram aren't even disputing that Hughes is more of a stat compiler, yet you make several posts about how Hughes compiles stats more. That's not the priority for those preferring Byram.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Hughes lives rent free in Colorado fans heads. “Oh he’s a PP specialist” (checks Makar’s power play %, it’s higher than Hughes’s average), “he can’t defend” (top 15 in GSVA, on the ice for 52 goals good for top 10 in the league), “oh he only grabs secondary assists” (has more primary points than secondary and leads the NHL in outlet passes made).

It’s comical at this point, Avs fans infatuation of Hughes.

Quinn Hughes is literally one of the highest secondary point % players in the NHL. Right below Brandon Montour.

23% of Byram's points are secondary. 29% for Makar. 43% for Hughes lol

 

[canuckking1]

Go look at page 1. The Avs fans are so infatuated with Hughes, that Hughes wasn't even mentioned until the 22nd post of the thread - and it was first brought up by a Canucks fan.

And what's just as daft is that Avs fans saying they'd prefer Byram aren't even disputing that Hughes is more of a stat compiler, yet you make several posts about how Hughes compiles stats more. That's not the priority for those preferring Byram.

Hughes is just flat out a better player lol stat compiler. Bryam can't even break even at ES this season in a sheltered role on one of the better teams in the league.

 

[AslanRH]

Secretly Avs fans want to get rid of Byram solely so they don't have to hear the horrendous PBP guy call him "Hot Rod" 5 times a game and follow it up with car puns

 

[McJedi]

Quinn Hughes is literally one of the highest secondary point % players in the NHL. Right below Brandon Montour.

23% of Byram's points are secondary. 29% for Makar. 43% for Hughes lol

Secretly Avs fans want to get rid of Byram solely so they don't have to hear the horrendous PBP guy call him "Hot Rod" 5 times a game and follow it up with car puns

The double doink-er

Moser has a good voice for the job but he ain’t in the top 25 of PBP guys in the NHL.