Vancouver led the league in points at Christmas, Can they continue this run into the New Year?

[HighAndTight]

None of us posted any numbers. We did reference the same stat, though.

You do realize the posts I'm referencing are essentially touching your post, both say they have the same stat, yet are different numbers?

Because if a player misses an opening top corner by shooting over the net it’s not any different in terms of variance of shooting “luck” than that same player missing low and being saved by the goalie

Exactly. The same as a shot going bottom corner and in, hits a leg first and goes wide. Same shit.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

False, Dallas isn’t leading and the Canucks are not at 12.91%

NST has.

Dallas at 13.14 on ice shooting %
Vancouver at 12.91.

You were saying?

 

[Breakers]

 

[Fishy McScales]

You do realize the posts I'm referencing are essentially touching your post, both say they have the same stat, yet are different numbers?

Exactly. The same as a shot going bottom corner and in, hits a leg first and goes wide. Same shit.

Maybe there is someone on my ignore list posting things I can't see because now I'm mighty confused lol

 

[HighAndTight]

NST has.

Dallas at 13.14 on ice shooting %
Vancouver at 12.91.

You were saying?

NST? Natural Stat Trick?

LMFAO!!!!

 

[Tobias Kahun]

NST? Natural Stat Trick?

LMFAO!!!!

I had a filter on for certain dates for some reason.

I conceed.

Either way vancouver is at a 13.64%, Dallas at a 12.24.

Still don't know how you came to your numbers of 6%

 

[HighAndTight]

I had a filter on for certain dates for some reason.

I conceed.

Either way vancouver is at a 13.64%, Dallas at a 12.24.

Still don't know how you came to your numbers of 6%

All good homie, just razzin ya.

It takes all shots into account. For example a shot off the post doesn't register as a shot. This counts that. It really doesn't adjust the numbers all the much in terms of team overall.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

All good homie, just razzin ya.

It takes all shots into account. For example a shot off the post doesn't register as a shot. This counts that. It really doesn't adjust the numbers all the much in terms of team overall.

Is this taken off the NHL site? What thing do you go into to count these missed shots and such.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Vancouver seems to have hivelike synergy working for them. I thought this kind of season might have happened last year for them. There might be a lull at some point but theres enough there to fight through it if that happens. When youre in the middle of a good season, the collective are more willing to fight for their season when there are bumps in the road.

A playoff matchup against Edmonton would be popcorn worthy.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Pop quiz. What are the top 3 PDO teams this year?
Answer: Vancouver, Winnipeg and Boston.

Aside from being the top 3 teams in the league so far, what do all 3 of those teams have in common? Hint. They all wear a mask and big pads.

Could all 3 regress somewhat? Sure. But all 3 look like legitimate contenders with some weaknesses.

 

[Three On Zero]

NST has.

Dallas at 13.14 on ice shooting %
Vancouver at 12.91.

You were saying?

Wrong still

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Pop quiz. What are the top 3 PDO teams this year?
Answer: Vancouver, Winnipeg and Boston.

Aside from being the top 3 teams in the league so far, what do all 3 of those teams have in common? Hint. They all wear a mask and big pads.

Could all 3 regress somewhat? Sure. But all 3 look like legitimate contenders with some weaknesses.

32 teams have someone who wears a mask and big pads.

 

[Three On Zero]

NST? Natural Stat Trick?

LMFAO!!!!

The resentment fan factor is kicking in

Vancouver has been able to get success without amassing 1st overall picks, and in a single year has garnered the same media coverage it took the entire McDavid era for Edmonton to get

 

[WetcoastOrca]

32 teams have someone who wears a mask and big pads.

I think you’re being disingenuous. You’re smarter than that. Try again.
But just in case you truly are befuddled.
From a week ago:
‘The NHL season is heating up, and Connor Hellebuyck is atop the Vezina odds right ahead of Thatcher Demko and Jeremy Swayman. See who joins them in the latest Vezina Trophy odds.’

 

[North Cole]

ad hominem refers to an irrelevant personal attack and is frowned upon as a logical fallacy.

if we were in the realm of the philosophers debating pure logic where the words used form the whole of the debate you might have a point. but we are not.

in the real world an allegation of bias against a person making factual assertions and purpoting to put forward an objective analysis of those asserted facts is not irrelevant and it is not a fallacy. it is useful to a person assessing the reliability of such analysis to know the person putting it forward is biased.

so yes we can call people homers here, or point out they are driven to post negative things by irrational tribal hatred. it is not against the rules.

good grief.

Good grief? Lmfao.

"whataboutism is a rhetorical technique that is largely discredited in contemporary discussion because it contributes nothing whatever to the question of whether the original point being challenged is accurate or not and rather seeks to deligitimize all discussion of a particular subject matter, usually for partisan reasons."

So you're going on about "contemporary discussions" WRT to other logical fallacies, but when you employ your own fallacy, you mention some set of rules and talk about how we are in the real world subject to tribal hatred lmfao. A logical fallacy is a logical fallacy.

You can call people whatever you want, homers, or worse. Just don't pretend it adds anything to the conversation. If you're okay with that, stop holding other people to standards you can't hold yourself to. You're a Canucks fan, anyone can very easily just dismiss your arguments for the tribal love. Not that you've made any argument I've seen.

 

[North Cole]

Yeah I think this is meme is actually hitting at an important truth pdo watchers often miss. Just cause you are likely to regress, doesn't mean you're going to flame out in spectacular fashion just in the time for the stretch run/playoffs/whatever. In fact the season could even end before the regression takes places and we never actually see it.

Plus everyone likes to make predictions where they can tutu being right on the interwebz.

Not if they actually have an understanding of PDO. It's not predictive. The meme actually says nothing about flaming out in spectacular fashion, so I'm not even sure where that idea comes from.

Regression doesn't mean losing tonnes of games, it simply means that your combined save and shooting percentage move back toward the mean of the league. You can still get timely goals and timely saves, such that games are still being won. I've seen way more posters arguing against "they said we would blow up cause PDO" then I've actually seen anyone saying they would blow up. People just straight up fighting the boogeyman at this point.

 

[TheUnusedCrayon]

Demko has been good, but he hasn’t been “really good” this season. He’s hasn’t stolen us nearly as many games as he has in the past.

That's because he hasn't had to. He's been a top 10 goalie in the league, arguably top 5 (I personally have him around 6ish).

 

[Donuts]

yes they can continue

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Not if they actually have an understanding of PDO. It's not predictive. The meme actually says nothing about flaming out in spectacular fashion, so I'm not even sure where that idea comes from.

Regression doesn't mean losing tonnes of games, it simply means that your combined save and shooting percentage move back toward the mean of the league. You can still get timely goals and timely saves, such that games are still being won. I've seen way more posters arguing against "they said we would blow up cause PDO" then I've actually seen anyone saying they would blow up. People just straight up fighting the boogeyman at this point.

Exactly. PDO is the most overused and most misunderstood stat these days.
The top 3 PDO teams this year are Vancouver, Winnipeg and Boston. Coincidentally all three of those are top teams and the current projected three Vezina finalists come from those teams as save percentage is half of the PDO formula.

 

[Three On Zero]

Exactly. PDO is the most overused and most misunderstood stat these days.
The top 3 PDO teams this year are Vancouver, Winnipeg and Boston. Coincidentally all three of those are top teams and the current projected three Vezina finalists come from those teams as save percentage is half of the PDO formula.

All advanced stats are overused and misunderstood. They are easily refuted when it comes to hockey

 

[bandwagonesque]

Exactly. PDO is the most overused and most misunderstood stat these days.
The top 3 PDO teams this year are Vancouver, Winnipeg and Boston. Coincidentally all three of those are top teams and the current projected three Vezina finalists come from those teams as save percentage is half of the PDO formula.

Adding to this -- pretty much all the historically high PDO seasons that match or exceed what the Canucks are doing now were dominant teams with dominant individual players. Rather than regress, they invariably went on long playoff runs and more often than not played in the Stanley Cup finals. PDO may to a limited degree measure a team's departure from an expected statistical mean, but it primarily measures a team's skill at performing certain tasks.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Exactly. PDO is the most overused and most misunderstood stat these days.
The top 3 PDO teams this year are Vancouver, Winnipeg and Boston. Coincidentally all three of those are top teams and the current projected three Vezina finalists come from those teams as save percentage is half of the PDO formula.

the difference is Boston has one player above 19% in shooting percentage,...Winnipeg's highest player is 15.8%
Vancouver has 6 players above 19%

brutal comparison

 

[bandwagonesque]

the difference is Boston has one player above 19% in shooting percentage,...Winnipeg's highest player is 15.8%
Vancouver has 6 players above 19%

brutal comparison

Do you understand that 6 players on one team having an unusually high shooting percentage is far less likely to be an aberration than 1 or 2 players on one team having an unusually high shooting percentage? Why would nearly every forward on a particular team be lucky to an approximately similar degree at exactly the same time?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Do you understand that 6 players on one team having an unusually high shooting percentage is far less likely to be an aberration than 1 or 2 players on one team having an unusually high shooting percentage? Why would nearly every forward on a particular team be lucky to an approximately similar degree at exactly the same time?

Tochett has found the secret to high shooting percentage?
I dunno, you tell me

 

[bandwagonesque]

Tochett has found the secret to high shooting percentage?
I dunno, you tell me

Okay, but you were the one proposing an explanation -- luck. If you're abandoning that explanation and we agree this largely can't be explained by chance or luck, then we're left with two factors -- the quality of the opportunities and the ability of the shooter to score on a given shot relative to other players. The second is a bit variable as players definitely go through hot and cold spells which themselves are influenced by a myriad of known and unknown factors. But no team that has done what the Canucks are doing at this point in a season, as measured by PDO, later in the same season began performing in a way that suggested their success was due to luck. The all kept playing extremely well. All of them went on long playoff runs.