Vancouver led the league in points at Christmas, Can they continue this run into the New Year?

[WetcoastOrca]

Vancouver fans cant seem to understand that people aren't saying when the PDO regresses they'll be a bad team.

Some are saying exactly that.
They are a top team. Some people just can’t accept that NHL teams can dramatically improve or get worse in a single season. Despite the evidence across all sports.
I mean they have weaknesses but so does every top team.

Any time you have a goalie like Demko, you have a chance to make noise in the playoffs. Even if everyone else went relatively quiet, he could steal a series. The only thing I might worry about is the lack of playoff experience on the team. Outside of Miller and Cole there's not a whole lot of games played.

Solid and balanced post imo. Some act like winning by having good goaltending is some kind of cheating. But have no issue with teams winning because they have an elite forward or D that steals games.
The lack of playoff experience is a legitimate concern imo.

 

[Three On Zero]

Any time you have a goalie like Demko, you have a chance to make noise in the playoffs. Even if everyone else went relatively quiet, he could steal a series. The only thing I might worry about is the lack of playoff experience on the team. Outside of Miller and Cole there's not a whole lot of games played.

Demko has been good, but he hasn’t been “really good” this season. He’s hasn’t stolen us nearly as many games as he has in the past.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Some are saying exactly that.
They are a top team. Some people just can’t accept that NHL teams can dramatically improve or get worse in a single season. Despite the evidence across all sports.
I mean they have weaknesses but so does every top team.


Solid and balanced post imo. Some act like winning by having good goaltending is some kind of cheating. But have no issue with teams winning because they have an elite forward or D that steals games.
The lack of playoff experience is a legitimate concern imo.

Oilers 13 game winning streak is partially because of how good our goaltending is.

Having a goalie that doesnt let in 20% of the shots is fun, we shoulda tried this earlier.

 

[Fishy McScales]

Some are saying exactly that.
They are a top team. Some people just can’t accept that NHL teams can dramatically improve or get worse in a single season. Despite the evidence across all sports.
I mean they have weaknesses but so does every top team.


Solid and balanced post imo. Some act like winning by having good goaltending is some kind of cheating. But have no issue with teams winning because they have an elite forward or D that steals games.
The lack of playoff experience is a legitimate concern imo.

Who exactly has been saying this?

 

[BCNate]

Some are saying exactly that.
They are a top team. Some people just can’t accept that NHL teams can dramatically improve or get worse in a single season. Despite the evidence across all sports.


Solid and balanced post imo. Some act like winning by having good goaltending is some kind of cheating. But have no issue with teams winning because they have an elite forward or D that steals games.

15-2-3 since the Zadorov trade. They are making it real hard for teams to gain any ground, even with their games in hand. Oilers have been lights out for a while now, they've only picked up 1 point on the Canucks in their past 20 games.

3 pretty winnable games to wrap up this homestand, hopefully we pick up a few points before our last eastern trip. That trip is going to be another real test for this group with two tough games at the start, then back to back morning games.

 

[Petey O]

It likely hasn't been mentioned yet, so I'll say it.

The Canucks are due for a HEAVY regression. That PDO is too damn high. It's blinding. I don't think it's sustainable, guise.

 

[SniperHF]

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Yeah I think this is meme is actually hitting at an important truth pdo watchers often miss. Just cause you are likely to regress, doesn't mean you're going to flame out in spectacular fashion just in the time for the stretch run/playoffs/whatever. In fact the season could even end before the regression takes places and we never actually see it.

Plus everyone likes to make predictions where they can tutu being right on the interwebz.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

It likely hasn't been mentioned yet, so I'll say it.

The Canucks are due for a HEAVY regression. That PDO is too damn high. It's blinding. I don't think it's sustainable, guise.

Top 3 PDO teams so far this year:
Vancouver
Winnipeg
Boston

Not bad company to be in. Of course they’re all about to fall off a cliff. Lol!

 

[Dust]

Demko has been good, but he hasn’t been “really good” this season. He’s hasn’t stolen us nearly as many games as he has in the past.

Oh I know, but he is capable of doing it in the playoffs. I would say the same of a goalie like Hellebuyck for the Jets. Guys that are just capable of taking their games to another level. Nobody is going to want to play either team for that reason.

 

[Three On Zero]

Oh I know, but he is capable of doing it in the playoffs. I would say the same of a goalie like Hellebuyck for the Jets. Guys that are just capable of taking their games to another level. Nobody is going to want to play either team for that reason.

Hellebuyck has another level that Demko doesn’t.

Biggest issue with the Canucks is that they can physically be pushed around. Similarly to the Oilers I don’t think they have the mental capability of beating teams that can physically make them pay.

Hughes and Pettersson are not built for playoff hockey and they don’t have the proper insulating players around them

 

[Dust]

But, but,but Seattle had a really high PDO one season and now they’re a bubble team so that’s proof the Canucks will turn into a pumpkin soon.

Carolina's PDO sucks and they are still a good team. It's a tool, it has some predictive purpose, but it doesn't define a good or bad team.

 

[Petey O]

Top 3 PDO teams so far this year:
Vancouver
Winnipeg
Boston

Not bad company to be in. Of course they’re all about to fall off a cliff. Lol!

Excuse me, sweaty. All of those teams are really lucky and due for a heavy regression. It's just a coincidence they're the top 3 teams in the league with goal differentials much better than the next best, okay?

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Carolina's PDO sucks and they are still a good team. It's a tool, it has some predictive purpose, but it doesn't define a good or bad team.

Yep. The top 3 PDO teams so far this year are:
Vancouver
Winnipeg
Boston

 

[Dust]

Hellebuyck has another level that Demko doesn’t.

Biggest issue with the Canucks is that they can physically be pushed around. Similarly to the Oilers I don’t think they have the mental capability of beating teams that can physically make them pay.

Hughes and Pettersson are not built for playoff hockey and they don’t have the proper insulating players around them

I think Pettersson will be just fine, he's not a small guy. He was good in the Canucks run back in 2019-2020.

 

[HighAndTight]

Team Shooting Percentage

2024
VAN 6.68
DET 6.25
BOS 5.9

2023
EDM 6.63
BOS 6.23
STL 6.2

2022
STL 7.22
MIN 6.45
FLA 6.27

2021
PIT 6.64
MIN 6.35
WSH 6.26

2020
NYR 6.09
TBL 5.99
EDM 5.95

2019
TBL 6.76
WSH 5.82
CGY 5.82

2018
TBL 5.82
MIN 5.74
COL 5.66

2017
PIT 5.77
MIN 5.76
NYR 5.61

2016
FLA 5.65
NYR 5.34
WSH 5.27

2015
TBL 5.75
CGY 5.4
CBJ 5.39

2014
COL 5.68
ANA 5.59
PIT 5.5

2013
PIT 6.15
TBL 6.1
TOR 5.83

2012
NSH 5.76
TBL 5.57
NJD 5.47

2011
ANA 5.74
PHI 5.37
CHI 5.33

2010
WSH 6.02
COL 5.93
VAN 5.74

2009
BOS 6.06
ATL 6.03
PIT 5.9


Many interesting things to note. The Canucks numbers are not unprecedented as shown by the quite recent past. Team shooting percent has risen over the years. Beyond just the top 3 teams, a fair amount can and do shoot at relatively the same percent over the years, baring regime changes, major injuries or roster overhauls.

For example between 2011 and 2009 4 of the top 8 shooting teams all shot within their same totals or placed high relative to the other teams for those three years straight.

So what does all this tell us? That statistically all possibilities have a real chance of happening. There is enough precedent that the team could fall apart, it could keep scoring at its current pace or better, or could continue scoring at this pace for multiple years.

Anyone on any side pretending they know the outcome doesn't, but the collective can hope.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Team Shooting Percentage

2024
VAN 6.68
DET 6.25
BOS 5.9

2023
EDM 6.63
BOS 6.23
STL 6.2

2022
STL 7.22
MIN 6.45
FLA 6.27

2021
PIT 6.64
MIN 6.35
WSH 6.26

2020
NYR 6.09
TBL 5.99
EDM 5.95

2019
TBL 6.76
WSH 5.82
CGY 5.82

2018
TBL 5.82
MIN 5.74
COL 5.66

2017
PIT 5.77
MIN 5.76
NYR 5.61

2016
FLA 5.65
NYR 5.34
WSH 5.27

2015
TBL 5.75
CGY 5.4
CBJ 5.39

2014
COL 5.68
ANA 5.59
PIT 5.5

2013
PIT 6.15
TBL 6.1
TOR 5.83

2012
NSH 5.76
TBL 5.57
NJD 5.47

2011
ANA 5.74
PHI 5.37
CHI 5.33

2010
WSH 6.02
COL 5.93
VAN 5.74

2009
BOS 6.06
ATL 6.03
PIT 5.9


Many interesting things to note. The Canucks numbers are not unprecedented as shown by the quite recent past. Team shooting percent has risen over the years. Beyond just the top 3 teams, a fair amount can and do shoot at relatively the same percent over the years, baring regime changes, major injuries or roster overhauls.

For example between 2011 and 2009 4 of the top 8 shooting teams all shot within their same totals or placed high relative to the other teams for those three years straight.

So what does all this tell us? That statistically all possibilities have a real chance of happening. There is enough precedent that the team could fall apart, it could keep scoring at its current pace or better, or could continue scoring at this pace for multiple years.

Anyone on any side pretending they know the outcome doesn't, but the collective can hope.

Where did you get these numbers?

Considering the Canucks are at 12.91% shooting this year.

I think what your post tells everyone is you don't really understand what you're talking about.

 

[Dust]

Team Shooting Percentage

2024
VAN 6.68
DET 6.25
BOS 5.9

2023
EDM 6.63
BOS 6.23
STL 6.2

2022
STL 7.22
MIN 6.45
FLA 6.27

2021
PIT 6.64
MIN 6.35
WSH 6.26

2020
NYR 6.09
TBL 5.99
EDM 5.95

2019
TBL 6.76
WSH 5.82
CGY 5.82

2018
TBL 5.82
MIN 5.74
COL 5.66

2017
PIT 5.77
MIN 5.76
NYR 5.61

2016
FLA 5.65
NYR 5.34
WSH 5.27

2015
TBL 5.75
CGY 5.4
CBJ 5.39

2014
COL 5.68
ANA 5.59
PIT 5.5

2013
PIT 6.15
TBL 6.1
TOR 5.83

2012
NSH 5.76
TBL 5.57
NJD 5.47

2011
ANA 5.74
PHI 5.37
CHI 5.33

2010
WSH 6.02
COL 5.93
VAN 5.74

2009
BOS 6.06
ATL 6.03
PIT 5.9


Many interesting things to note. The Canucks numbers are not unprecedented as shown by the quite recent past. Team shooting percent has risen over the years. Beyond just the top 3 teams, a fair amount can and do shoot at relatively the same percent over the years, baring regime changes, major injuries or roster overhauls.

For example between 2011 and 2009 4 of the top 8 shooting teams all shot within their same totals or placed high relative to the other teams for those three years straight.

So what does all this tell us? That statistically all possibilities have a real chance of happening. There is enough precedent that the team could fall apart, it could keep scoring at its current pace or better, or could continue scoring at this pace for multiple years.

Anyone on any side pretending they know the outcome doesn't, but the collective can hope.

Where did you get these numbers from? They appear incredibly low. Top shooting percentage this season is 13.6%.

 

[Fishy McScales]

Team Shooting Percentage

2024
VAN 6.68
DET 6.25
BOS 5.9

2023
EDM 6.63
BOS 6.23
STL 6.2

2022
STL 7.22
MIN 6.45
FLA 6.27

2021
PIT 6.64
MIN 6.35
WSH 6.26

2020
NYR 6.09
TBL 5.99
EDM 5.95

2019
TBL 6.76
WSH 5.82
CGY 5.82

2018
TBL 5.82
MIN 5.74
COL 5.66

2017
PIT 5.77
MIN 5.76
NYR 5.61

2016
FLA 5.65
NYR 5.34
WSH 5.27

2015
TBL 5.75
CGY 5.4
CBJ 5.39

2014
COL 5.68
ANA 5.59
PIT 5.5

2013
PIT 6.15
TBL 6.1
TOR 5.83

2012
NSH 5.76
TBL 5.57
NJD 5.47

2011
ANA 5.74
PHI 5.37
CHI 5.33

2010
WSH 6.02
COL 5.93
VAN 5.74

2009
BOS 6.06
ATL 6.03
PIT 5.9


Many interesting things to note. The Canucks numbers are not unprecedented as shown by the quite recent past. Team shooting percent has risen over the years. Beyond just the top 3 teams, a fair amount can and do shoot at relatively the same percent over the years, baring regime changes, major injuries or roster overhauls.

For example between 2011 and 2009 4 of the top 8 shooting teams all shot within their same totals or placed high relative to the other teams for those three years straight.

So what does all this tell us? That statistically all possibilities have a real chance of happening. There is enough precedent that the team could fall apart, it could keep scoring at its current pace or better, or could continue scoring at this pace for multiple years.

Anyone on any side pretending they know the outcome doesn't, but the collective can hope.

Those are not team SH% numbers...

 

[HighAndTight]

Where did you get these numbers?

Considering the Canucks are at 12.91% shooting this year.

Can't quote you all but I believe the one I posted also counts shots that don't land on net.

Either way the NHL.com team shooting stats bare out almost exactly the same with VAN itself being about a percent higher, but then you realize more then a few teams are above the general average.

Also love that two people said, those stats aren't right, while posting totally different numbers

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Can't quote you all but I believe the one I posted also counts shots that don't land on net.

Either way the NHL.com team shooting stats bare out almost exactly the same with VAN itself being about a percent higher, but then you realize more then a few teams are above the general average.

Also love that two people said, those stats aren't right, while posting totally different numbers

Different numbers, because if you read his post, he said the leader is at that %.

Canucks arent the leader this year, Dallas is.

Why would any shooting stats count missed nets.

Those arent shots for statistical purposes.

 

[Three On Zero]

Different numbers, because if you read his post, he said the leader is at that %.

Canucks arent the leader this year, Dallas is.

Why would any shooting stats count missed nets.

Those arent shots for statistical purposes.

False, Dallas isn’t leading and the Canucks are not at 12.91%

 

[HighAndTight]

Different numbers, because if you read his post, he said the leader is at that %.

Canucks arent the leader this year, Dallas is.

Why would any shooting stats count missed nets.

Those arent shots for statistical purposes.

Dallas is 2nd.

False, Dallas isn’t leading and the Canucks are not at 12.91%

And he somehow has the audacity to question a persons numbers

 

[Fishy McScales]

Can't quote you all but I believe the one I posted also counts shots that don't land on net.

Either way the NHL.com team shooting stats bare out almost exactly the same with VAN itself being about a percent higher, but then you realize more then a few teams are above the general average.

Also love that two people said, those stats aren't right, while posting totally different numbers

None of us posted any numbers. We did reference the same stat, though.

 

[Regal]

Different numbers, because if you read his post, he said the leader is at that %.

Canucks arent the leader this year, Dallas is.

Why would any shooting stats count missed nets.

Those arent shots for statistical purposes.

Because if a player misses an opening top corner by shooting over the net it’s not any different in terms of variance of shooting “luck” than that same player missing low and being saved by the goalie

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Can't quote you all but I believe the one I posted also counts shots that don't land on net.

Either way the NHL.com team shooting stats bare out almost exactly the same with VAN itself being about a percent higher, but then you realize more then a few teams are above the general average.

Also love that two people said, those stats aren't right, while posting totally different numbers

Vancouver has 6 players in the top 14 in league shooting percentage...that's not normal lol

Dakota Joshua shooting % at 22.6%....6.1% above his career average
Broke Boeser shooting % at 21.6%...8.0% above his career average
Nils Hoglander shooting % at 24.1%...12.2% above his career average
JT Miller shooting % at 22.2%...7.3% above his career average
Sam Lafferty shooting at 20.8%...10.5% above his career average
Elias Pettersson shooting at 19.5%...2.5% above his average

every other team has 1 or 2 players in the top 50