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Vancouver led the league in points at Christmas, Can they continue this run into the New Year?

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andora said:
so, this whole high danger chances thing.. vancouver is 22nd with 367 allowed at 5on5
rangers are 19th with 362 - 5 difference

shesterkin is 36th out of 60 in high danger save percentage with goalies playing minimum 500 minutes

why are the rangers only 1 point difference to vancouver?
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I would have to take a look, but you tell me? PP? I think it's around 30%. The league has been calling more penalties in the playoffs compared to the regular season though. I have Shesterkin in my pool and he stinks it up half of the time now it seems like.

The Rangers aren't impressive from watching their games. Their dmen all looked like they drank a mickey of crown royal last night lol. The one other thing that I looked up is that their highest shooter is at 16%sh like WPG's. They aren't on a gigantic shooting heater like Van.
 
mkatcherin00 said:
I am sorry if hard facts and stats hurt.

I don't know what that poster is even talking about. lol

Edmonton is a much more dangerous team at Evens. They just don't have 20%+ horseshoe shooting %'s and top 10 goaltending.

Vancouver gives up MORE High danger chances at ES than they get. They don't even get a ton. They are down by the bottom in chances for and bad for how many they give up. They also give up a ton of shots and do not get many.

meanwhile, EDM is #1 in the league and generate a ton. They also give up the 2nd least after LA. Just watch Skinner the last while. He has had like 2 games where he had to make some big saves. He's had it easy. It's very popular to parrot around here. Edmontons bad start was brutal and they are still a top defensive metric team lol

People here get so angry. If some other team who has done nothing for 10 years all of a sudden was at the top, we would be talking about them too. It's a story line.

If Vancouver was top 10 for the last few years, we wouldn't talk about them so much. It's like the smart kid at school. We expect him/her to get good grades from their history. Canucks right now are that mediocre kid who all of a sudden is hitting 90% on their tests out of nowhere
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You wrote an essay that still doesn't make sense. Also Canucks do get lots of dangerous chances which was shown in the NYR game. Just look at the number of giveaways NYR gave to Canucks or 2 on 1s or maybe you don't watch the games and just see the shots in the NHL stat sheet. You just don't become the top scoring team in the league by getting fluke goals which is what you are saying. It goes back to shot generation and Canucks are a low shot volume team. I still don't know why you and others don't get this which is amazing lol

mkatcherin00 said:
Congrats. we are used to making the playoffs. It will be a piece of cake. Like I said, enjoy this rare playoff season. It's a fun time making it.
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You guys always make playoffs but yet have nothing to show for it lol. Also Canucks will start making the playoffs more regularly now that they cleaned up bennings mess and have a competent GM
 
mkatcherin00 said:
I would have to take a look, but you tell me? PP? I think it's around 30%. The league has been calling more penalties in the playoffs compared to the regular season though. I have Shesterkin in my pool and he stinks it up half of the time now it seems like.

The Rangers aren't impressive from watching their games. Their dmen all looked like they drank a mickey of crown royal last night lol. The one other thing that I looked up is that their highest shooter is at 16%sh like WPG's. They aren't on a gigantic shooting heater like Van.
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I think a lot has to be looked at on a better understanding of some of the bullshit tunnel vision in this thread
 
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andora said:
I think a lot has to be looked at on a better understanding of some of the bullshit tunnel vision in this thread
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What tunnel vision? I had one person tell me that the Canucks purposely score quick early goals and then go into more of a defensive shell? I watch most of their games. Maybe a Canuck fan can tell us.

Any "surprise" team will be looked at unde ra microscope, but Nuck fans are taking it so hard and to heart. We are not just throwing what they have done out the window. You don't get to the top 5 with only pure luck. The shooting is just a giant massive outlier. I actually think a team can sustain it for most of a year.

I believe Seattle did it and this year they ain't. They regressed back. They had a crazy ES shooting %
 
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mkatcherin00 said:
What tunnel vision? I had one person tell me that the Canucks purposely score quick early goals and then go into more of a defensive shell? I watch most of their games. Maybe a Canuck fan can tell us.

Any "surprise" team will be looked at unde ra microscope, but Nuck fans are taking it so hard and to heart. We are not just throwing what they have done out the window. You don't get to the top 5 with only pure luck. The shooting is just a giant massive outlier. I actually think a team can sustain it for most of a year.

I believe Seattle did it and this year they ain't. They regressed back. They had a crazy ES shooting %
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You’re like a broken record and need to get a new schtick. At this point you’re just embarrassing yourself.
The Canucks have a high save percentage? Well no kidding. That’s what a great goalie does for a team. Not that you’d understand that as an Oiler fan. Should we deduct points from the Oilers because they have two great centers. I mean if you were expecting Skinner to outperform Demko I don’t know what to tell you.
As for a ‘surprise’ team, there are a few every year as good teams decline and young teams rise. You act like the NHL is some static thing where teams never change.
 
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It's so amusing to see the same arguments I've seen for years. No, you see, this team is different. I know every other team that was shooting unsustainably came back to earth but not this team. It's different because bllllllleerrrggggggt derk derk.
 
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WetcoastOrca said:
You’re like a broken record and need to get a new schtick. At this point you’re just embarrassing yourself.
The Canucks have a high save percentage? Well no kidding. That’s what a great goalie does for a team. Not that you’d understand that as an Oiler fan. Should we deduct points from the Oilers because they have two great centers. I mean if you were expecting Skinner to outperform Demko I don’t know what to tell you.
As for a ‘surprise’ team, there are a few every year as good teams decline and young teams rise. You act like the NHL is some static thing where teams never change.
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I always love the 'but you have an elite' player arguments.

How dare the Nucks have an elite d, g and c.

How dare the oilers have McD.

How dare Makar and Mack are on the same time.

How dare the Czechs had Hasek in net in Nagano.

The whole point is to get the best possible players and build around them. It is encouraged and rewarded!
 
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winnipegger said:
It's so amusing to see the same arguments I've seen for years. No, you see, this team is different. I know every other team that was shooting unsustainably came back to earth but not this team. It's different because bllllllleerrrggggggt derk derk.
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It’s kinda hilarious to see. I don’t understand how fans can be so narrow sighted to not see the peaks and valleys of a hockey season. That’s why you always hear the cliche ‘don’t get too high or too low’ because it’s never as good, or bad as you make it out to be in your head.

WetcoastOrca said:
You’re like a broken record and need to get a new schtick. At this point you’re just embarrassing yourself.
The Canucks have a high save percentage? Well no kidding. That’s what a great goalie does for a team. Not that you’d understand that as an Oiler fan. Should we deduct points from the Oilers because they have two great centers. I mean if you were expecting Skinner to outperform Demko I don’t know what to tell you.
As for a ‘surprise’ team, there are a few every year as good teams decline and young teams rise. You act like the NHL is some static thing where teams never change.
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No chance you guys just have a crazy high PDO and will regress a bit?
 
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The90 said:
It’s kinda hilarious to see. I don’t understand how fans can be so narrow sighted to not see the peaks and valleys of a hockey season. That’s why you always hear the cliche ‘don’t get too high or too low’ because it’s never as good, or bad as you make it out to be in your head.


No chance you guys just have a crazy high PDO and will regress a bit?
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Sure. Anything’s possible. That’s how sports works. It’s also possible that the Leafs regress a bit and stop making all of the crazy comebacks. Statistics don’t predict the future.
 
Canucks should be getting a lot more attention (and not the Jets).

EP40 is a top 10 player in the game and the oldest Hughes is a top offensive Dman.
 
The90 said:
Most of the time they have a pretty good handle on it. Especially PDO’s. The inconvenient truth
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Not really. Most posters like yourself don’t understand PDO and equate it as a measurement of luck.
But it’s simply the sum of shooting percentage and save percentage.
Good teams with strong goaltending generally have high PDO.
 
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WetcoastOrca said:
Not really. Most posters like yourself don’t understand PDO and equate it as a measurement of luck.
But it’s simply the sum of shooting percentage and save percentage.
Good teams with strong goaltending generally have high PDO. You probably wouldn’t understand the strong goaltending part.
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Lol. I understand it just fine thanks. If you have 3 kickers with >20% shooting percentage and all your top forwards are crazy high, you have a high PDO and it IS unsustainable. They will come back to earth. They have a great season going and will 100% make the playoffs and have a chance, but that PDO will come down.
 
The90 said:
Lol. I understand it just fine thanks. If you have 3 kickers with >20% shooting percentage and all your top forwards are crazy high, you have a high PDO and it IS unsustainable. They will come back to earth. They have a great season going and will 100% make the playoffs and have a chance, but that PDO will come down.
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Get a good goalie and maybe Torontos PDO would improve too.
 
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WetcoastOrca said:
Not really. Most posters like yourself don’t understand PDO and equate it as a measurement of luck.
But it’s simply the sum of shooting percentage and save percentage.
Good teams with strong goaltending generally have high PDO.
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PDO has been colloquially known as the "luck stat" since it was invented.

It's not something jealous fans came up with just because the Canucks are generational at it.
 
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Fishy McScales said:
PDO has been colloquially known as the "luck stat" since it was invented.

It's not something jealous fans came up with just because the Canucks are generational at it.
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Again that shows you don’t understand the stat. It’s not a luck stat. One half of it is save percentage. If you guys had ever had a decent goalie you’d understand what that means.
 
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So what uo
Czechboy said:
Maybe Nuck's should try it... it seems to be going okay for us? 15-3 in our last 18 I believe.

We also keep making the playoffs (this year is defnitely in question) and winning playoff rounds. Something, I believe, the Nuck's are not doing. at all in the last decade.

This is the Nucks

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This is the Oil in same time period

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Oilers are considerably more successful than the Nucks. I'll take this shit from Avs or Knight's fans who have made the playoffs, won and kicked our asses. No problem. Nuck's beat the shit out of us in October and have a beautiful run to start the season. All very true and happy for them but maybe calm down till you win a playoff round or two. B's demolished the leauge last year and were out in Round 1. Toroonto wins one round and starts chanting we want Florida.

And, ftr, I hope you guys do well in the playoffs and would be happy if you won the Cup. Big Hronek fan.
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so what you are saying is that over the past 6 years, where we have been in a Jim Benning rebuild, and you guys have been competing with 2 of the best players on earth, you have won 1 more playoff round?
 
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