Vancouver led the league in points at Christmas, Can they continue this run into the New Year?

[eviohh26]

The quality of teams the Canucks have faced is average.

Calling the Oilers average is being too nice.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Never realized before that there was bad blood between Canucks and Oilers fans.

 

[Three On Zero]

Never realized before that there was bad blood between Canucks and Oilers fans.

Calgary kind of drifted into obscurity, Canucks are filling that BoA void

 

[jackjohnson]

And you go with the typical HF comeback of "the stats are meaningless and I'm an expert."

Your training in hockey scouting comprises what exactly?

The stats are only part of hockey analysis while you guys are trying to take a couple of stats out of context to determine if the team is good or bad. You can ask any coach even Tocchet regarding what underlying stats mean to them. They will say it is important but doesn't paint the whole picture. It is good as a tool to aid in analysis of a team. Again the eye test is just as important and it's the reason why we have scouts, scouting teams. Otherwise why scout a team and watch a player if they can just look at their stats.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Again the eye test is just as important and it's the reason why we have scouts, scouting teams.

And your training scouting hockey teams consists of what type of experience?

 

[eviohh26]

Never realized before that there was bad blood between Canucks and Oilers fans.

Not just the Oilers. Calgary too. F Alberta cuh.

 

[jackjohnson]

Never realized before that there was bad blood between Canucks and Oilers fans.

I think it happened because of how Canucks badly beat the Oilers the first three games they faced them this season with one game Canucks winning 8-1 and absolutely annihilating them. So ever since that little series of games the Oilers fans have had an axe to grind with Canucks fans. I don't blame them at all.

 

[Three On Zero]

I think it happened because of how Canucks badly beat the Oilers the first three games they faced them this season with one game Canucks winning 8-1 and absolutely annihilating them. So ever since that little series of games the Oilers fans have had an axe to grind with Canucks fans. I don't blame them at all.

Wasn’t just the 8-1 game, Canucks won all 3 fairly handedly

 

[Avocado Coolranch]

So far, Canucks are 14-5 (19 games) against teams in the bottom half of the league while they are only 9-7 (16 games) against teams in the top half of the league.

They will have 26 more games with teams in the bottom half and 21 more games with teams in the top half of the league This makes sense because they are in a division where 5 teams in the pacific are in the bottom 10 in the league (calgary 24th, seattle 25th, edmonton 27th, anaheim 30th and the infamous san jose sharks 32nd).

Canucks have only versed the top 10 teams in the league 7 times with a record of 2-5 where they have only won against NYI and Dallas (1 W, 1 L).

Canucks have done well thus far and have secured a playoff spot but I think they still have more to prove.

 

[jackjohnson]

And your training scouting hockey teams consists of what type of experience?

Am not training or anything, am just pointing out the fact that NHL scouts exist for a reason. Otherwise they would hire stat nerds from HFboard to tell us which player or team is good or bad.

So far, Canucks are 14-5 (19 games) against teams in the bottom half of the league while they are only 9-7 (16 games) against teams in the top half of the league.

They will have 26 more games with teams in the bottom half and 21 more games with teams in the top half of the league This makes sense because they are in a division where 5 teams in the pacific are in the bottom 10 in the league (calgary 24th, seattle 25th, edmonton 27th, anaheim 30th and the infamous san jose sharks 32nd).

Canucks have only versed the top 10 teams in the league 7 times with a record of 2-5 where they have only won against NYI and Dallas (1 W, 1 L).

Canucks have done well thus far and have secured a playoff spot but I think they still have more to proof.

So Tampa and Florida aren't top teams?? I think Florida is definitely a top 10 team more than a team like NYI.

 

[Three On Zero]

So far, Canucks are 14-5 (19 games) against teams in the bottom half of the league while they are only 9-7 (16 games) against teams in the top half of the league.

They will have 26 more games with teams in the bottom half and 21 more games with teams in the top half of the league This makes sense because they are in a division where 5 teams in the pacific are in the bottom 10 in the league (calgary 24th, seattle 25th, edmonton 27th, anaheim 30th and the infamous san jose sharks 32nd).

Canucks have only versed the top 10 teams in the league 7 times with a record of 2-5 where they have only won against NYI and Dallas (1 W, 1 L).

Canucks have done well thus far and have secured a playoff spot but I think they still have more to prove.

Which means it’s less luck/PDO and more Canucks winning the games they should and struggling with games they should.

 

[Avocado Coolranch]

So Tampa and Florida aren't top teams?? I think Florida is definitely a top 10 team more than a team like NYI.

Look at the current standings... It is VAN, NYR, VEG, BOS, DAL, COL, WPG, LA, NYI, and TOR. NHL Hockey Standings | NHL.com

 

[Shane Diesel]

Am not training or anything, am just pointing out the fact that NHL scouts exist for a reason. Otherwise they would hire stat nerds from HFboard to tell us which player or team is good or bad.

I'm genuinely impressed by your ability to change the subject after every post.

We went from the "advanced stats being too subjective to trust" to "teams employ scouts for a reason". Insightful.

 

[jackjohnson]

Wasn’t just the 8-1 game, Canucks won all 3 fairly handedly

True but that 8-1 game was a bit too spicy for our fellow Oilers fans. That's a beating you never forget lol

Look at the current standings... It is VAN, NYR, VEG, BOS, DAL, COL, WPG, LA, NYI, and TOR. NHL Hockey Standings | NHL.com

I know but you guys don't believe in NHL standings. So which is it? You can't just flip flop on this. We either look at the standings and say Canucks are number 1 right now or we look at other things and determine teams like Florida seem to be better than NYI because of some underlying stat.

 

[Three On Zero]

True but that 8-1 game was a bit too spicy for our fellow Oilers fans. That's a beating you never forget lol


I know but you guys don't believe in NHL standings. So which is it? You can't just flip flop on this. We either look at the standings and say Canucks are number 1 right now or we look at other things and determine teams like Florida seem to be better than NYI because of some underlying stat.

Not the opening to the Cup or Bust season they expected

 

[kranuck]

lol @ the arrogance after 35 whole games riding unprecedented shooting percentages....that's 43% of the season
should we just give them a spot into the 2nd Round?

I remember when the Jets were the best Canadian team and best team in the W,C after 44 games last year....

The jets were 4th in the west and behind Toronto at this time last year.

only 8 of their first 31 games were against the lower half of the league and already 2 trips out East

Damn, you are gonna need a whole new set of excuses when the oilers still suck.

 

[jackjohnson]

I'm genuinely impressed by your ability to change the subject after every post.

We went from the "advanced stats being too subjective to trust" to "teams employ scouts for a reason". Insightful.

When did I ever say advanced stat is too subjective to trust? Please point out where I said that? I even said advanced stats are helpful and could be used as an aid but not to be used as the only tool to determine if a player is bad or a team sucks. Am saying you have to use everything in your disposal to make an accurate analysis. Check the regular stats, check the underlying stats, watch the games carefully and make your own conclusions. People who keep putting down Canucks based on underlying stats probably haven't watched a minute of a Canucks game. How can I trust that type of analysis when am watching all the canucks games, every minute of it and seeing a completely different picture being painted regarding Canucks from rival fans or eastern fans that probably don't watch much of the Canucks games?

 

[kranuck]

The advanced underlying stats describe a team's ability to sustain pressure, scoring chances, quality of shots, etc. The main stats you're describing are largely dictated by advanced stats, but please, display your overwhelming ignorance to

They don’t though.

What they do is give fans of mediocre teams something to hold on to as they deny reality.

Calling them “underlying” is such an obnoxious new fad. It’s just f***ing shot differential and its utility is that it’s slightly better as a predictor of future goals. That’s it.

Have a bad xG and great actual numbers? Congrats that’s good. Have bad actual numbers and get lots of shots? Congrats, you suck.

 

[Three On Zero]

They don’t though.

What they do is give fans of mediocre teams something to hold on to as they deny reality.

Calling them “underlying” is such an obnoxious new fad. It’s just f***ing shot differential and its utility is that it’s slightly better as a predictor of future goals. That’s it.

Have a bad xG and great actual numbers? Congrats that’s good. Have bad actual numbers and get lots of shots? Congrats, you suck.

Most advanced stats are trash when it comes to actually trying to predict a games outcome. Too many variables that you can’t account for, that’s why the Deserve to Win o meter is laughable when people post it

 

[kranuck]

So far, Canucks are 14-5 (19 games) against teams in the bottom half of the league while they are only 9-7 (16 games) against teams in the top half of the league.

They will have 26 more games with teams in the bottom half and 21 more games with teams in the top half of the league This makes sense because they are in a division where 5 teams in the pacific are in the bottom 10 in the league (calgary 24th, seattle 25th, edmonton 27th, anaheim 30th and the infamous san jose sharks 32nd).

Canucks have only versed the top 10 teams in the league 7 times with a record of 2-5 where they have only won against NYI and Dallas (1 W, 1 L).

Canucks have done well thus far and have secured a playoff spot but I think they still have more to prove.

More cope from haters.

 

[jackjohnson]

They don’t though.

What they do is give fans of mediocre teams something to hold on to as they deny reality.

Calling them “underlying” is such an obnoxious new fad. It’s just f***ing shot differential and its utility is that it’s slightly better as a predictor of future goals. That’s it.

Have a bad xG and great actual numbers? Congrats that’s good. Have bad actual numbers and get lots of shots? Congrats, you suck.

True, I mean no one was talking about Oilers underlying numbers when they were on that big losing streak. Everyone was talking about poor defense, poor goaltending or what happened to McDrai eventhough their underlying numbers were good. But the Canucks are opposite, they get results and win but somehow judged by their underlying numbers. Give credit where credit is due as the saying goes. When you win games no one would care if it was by luck or a miracle or hardwork or God's work. Same thing when a team wins a cup. Luck, goaltending everything is involved and we can't isolate those factors and say oh this team is good but they lost because of this or that. Everyone only remembers the winner and never the loser even if that loser had a good underlying number. Again this is a result driven business.

 

[Avocado Coolranch]

I know but you guys don't believe in NHL standings. So which is it? You can't just flip flop on this. We either look at the standings and say Canucks are number 1 right now or we look at other things and determine teams like Florida seem to be better than NYI because of some underlying stat.

I never mentioned any underlying stats... I am just calling out that the Canucks aren't top of the league because they beat teams like LA, Vegas, NYR, Bos, Col, Toronto or even Wpg. Not saying they can't beat those teams... but something they have yet to show.

So far, majority games have been against teams on the bottom half of the league (19 game vs 16 games), where 16 out of 19 games were against the bottom 10 in the league...

 

[jackjohnson]

Most advanced stats are trash when it comes to actually trying to predict a games outcome. Too many variables that you can’t account for, that’s why the Deserve to Win o meter is laughable when people post it

I want to know if there is a stat regarding "puck luck"

Your Puck Luck percentage is too damn high lol

 

[Russian_fanatic]

Never realized before that there was bad blood between Canucks and Oilers fans.

Canucks have been pretty horrible since 2014, but there's always been a rivalry between Vancouver, Edmonton, and Calgary.

All three teams genuinely hate losing to each other.

 

[Shane Diesel]

They don’t though.

You're willfully ignorant.

But I get, as a long suffering Canucks fan you'll grab on to any idea, no matter how flawed, to keep hope alive that your new found success is anything but fleeting.