Vancouver led the league in points at Christmas, Can they continue this run into the New Year?

[kranuck]

No offense intended but every year a team thinks they can game PDO/have PDO figured out because their team is somehow more special than every other team has been before

Every year they learn the hard way.

And I don't say that to detract from the Canucks who are a clearly awesome team without the additional stat bumps, when I say 'regression' it doesn't mean they'll tank.

We now seem to be vascillating wildly between "The canucks PDO is so high no team has ever done this" and "every year some team does this".

Anything to avoid admitting the Canucks are actually good. It's pretty incredibly pathetic how people are so insecure about something as trivial as the Canucks being a good team.

I have no clue what you're even asking. Vancouver has played a weak schedule all while being bottom ten in CF% and xGF%. Past history has shown that's not a recipe for success. That's the point.

Past history has shown that teams routinely over and underperform xG.

Vancouver hasn't had a weak schedule, they have been playing an insane number of games.

Just making up your own version of reality because you can't handle the Canucks actually being good. it's sad, you should probably get some help with your insecurity.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

We now seem to be vascillating wildly between "The canucks PDO is so high no team has ever done this" and "every year some team does this".

Anything to avoid admitting the Canucks are actually good. It's pretty incredibly pathetic how people are so insecure about something as trivial as the Canucks being a good team.

If you don't want to read for comprehension before you respond and prefer to be a martyr despite me literally uttering words elevating your team, just put me on ignore, thanks.

Speaking of making up your own version of reality. Christ. You're doing a great job making a likeable team one to root against instead.

 

[jackjohnson]

We now seem to be vascillating wildly between "The canucks PDO is so high no team has ever done this" and "every year some team does this".

Anything to avoid admitting the Canucks are actually good. It's pretty incredibly pathetic how people are so insecure about something as trivial as the Canucks being a good team.


Past history has shown that teams routinely over and underperform xG.

Vancouver hasn't had a weak schedule, they have been playing an insane number of games.

Just making up your own version of reality because you can't handle the Canucks actually being good. it's sad, you should probably get some help with your insecurity.

I find it surprising how people can dismiss canucks being number 1 in GF, number 1 in regulation time wins which is very important and number 1 in points in the league. Those are results every team wants not just looking at PDO. Its a result driven industry.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Past history has shown that teams routinely over and underperform xG.

Huh? I'm not talking about pre-season predictions, I'm talking about reality. As of now Vancouver is 20th in xGF%. Well below average and not a predictor of playoff success based on prior history.

Vancouver hasn't had a weak schedule, they have been playing an insane number of games.

Just making up your own version of reality because you can't handle the Canucks actually being good. it's sad, you should probably get some help with your insecurity.

Do you have anything that directly rebuts my points about CF%, xGF% or PDO? Or does your insecurity prevent you from addressing these points?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I find it surprising how people can dismiss canucks being number 1 in GF, number 1 in regulation time wins which is very important and number 1 in points in the league. Those are results every team wants not just looking at PDO. Its a result driven industry.

Again, I LITERALLY SAID THE WORDS "clearly awesome team."

f*** this, I'm out. Came in cheerfully to say congrats on the team being good, walking out with bad impressions, well done.

 

[jackjohnson]

If you don't want to read for comprehension before you respond and prefer to be a martyr despite me literally uttering words elevating your team, just put me on ignore, thanks.

Speaking of making up your own version of reality. Christ. You're doing a great job making a likeable team one to root against instead.

If thats how you are rooting foe canucks then that makes me a loyal oilers fan

 

[kranuck]

If you don't want to read for comprehension before you respond and prefer to be a martyr despite me literally uttering words elevating your team, just put me on ignore, thanks.

Speaking of making up your own version of reality. Christ. You're doing a great job making a likeable team one to root against instead.

"my endlessly shitting on them is actually evidence I like them. My pathetically harping on PDO every chance I get isn't me being a hater"

You're just another lame ass hater. Get a new routine.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

"my endlessly shitting on them is actually evidence I like them. My pathetically harping on PDO every chance I get isn't me being a hater"

You're just another lame ass hater. Get a new routine.

Endlessly...from my first post in the thread saying canucks are a phenomenal team that are probably outperforming their baseline slightly yet still awesome and first in the league.

You're so blinded by your irrational, unsupportable anger you don't even know who you're responding to anymore.

Merry Christmas!

 

[kranuck]

Huh? I'm not talking about pre-season predictions, I'm talking about reality. As of now Vancouver is 20th in xGF%. Well below average and not a predictor of playoff success based on prior history.

Do you have anything that directly rebuts my points about CF%, xGF% or PDO? Or does your insecurity prevent you from addressing these points?

CF% and xG% are not important numbers and no one needs to give even half a shit about them. Bringing them up is pure cope.


Why are they not important? Because teams routinely perform wildly differently than the "expected" numbers. Saying teams will trend towards the expected numbers is simply not based in reality.

I don't like PDO, but PDO there is at least an argument. It's a bad argument, usually made in bad faith by people who just want to further the narrative they already believe, but it's better than continuing to insist that variations on shot attempts are giving you some amazing insight.

 

[jackjohnson]

Endlessly...from my first post in the thread saying canucks are a phenomenal team that are probably outperforming their baseline slightly.

You're so blinded by your irrational, unsupportable anger you don't even know who you're responding to anymore.

Merry Christmas!

You dont make sense at all though because you flip flopped on this thread more than John Kerry

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

You dont make sense at all though because you flip flopped on this thread more than John Kerry

No, you guys were just already seeing red when you read it, so you turned the loaded gun at me.

Which is whatever, fine, just don't pretend I didn't offer some compliments before the other dude filled his diaper. Disagree with what I say? Cool. Pretend I didn't say it in order to be outraged? f*** off.

 

[nucksflailtogether]

My take as a Canucks fan is that this is probably a 100-105 point team that's slightly overperforming but still a great team that nobody would want to play in the playoffs. The early season hot streak was far more of a PDO bender than this stretch, where they have actually been earning wins with a couple exceptions. Their depth is a major contributor right now. Having a player like Garland on the 3rd line is proving to be massive.

Their style is definitely conducive to high PDO...they seem to pass up many shots and emphasize play down low rather than go back to the point and fire. Rather than calling them lucky I would just say everything is coming together offensively in a way that probably won't happen again to the same extent next season. However if they can retain a good portion of depth pieces there's no reason they can't still remain a very good team. They have stars in all the right positions and that is a rare thing that teams to our east seem to long for, minus the jets.

Everything else just seems like a pissing match between fanboys and haters. There's such thing as nuance in debates that is just impossible for people. But carry on.

 

[jackjohnson]

No, you guys were just already seeing red when you read it, so you turned the loaded gun at me.

Which is whatever, fine, just don't pretend I didn't offer some compliments before the other dude filled his diaper. Disagree with what I say? Cool. Pretend I didn't say it in order to be outraged? f*** off.

But your post saying you will root against them while being likeable doesnt make sense at all.

 

[Oilslick941611]

Whatever hater.

I just wish people like you wouldn't even pretend to be anything but bitter haters who wish for the Canucks to fail. Instead it's just constantly going on about how they aren't actually that good.

All he does is moan and bitch about teams in the GDTS. Hes not a serious team.

 

[nucksflailtogether]

The new 2014 Avalanche

Swing and a miss.

 

[Bankerguy]

canucks need 1st in west so they get a wildcard team.
2nd or 3rd means LA Kings matchup. which is scary AF

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

From spending time in Vancouver, I am not even sure the Canucks are Vancouver's team... I met far more Leafs fans than I did Canucks fans.



When were they supposed to start competing? Their team is not exactly young...

Looks like you met the wrong people then

 

[WetcoastOrca]

canucks need 1st in west so they get a wildcard team.
2nd or 3rd means LA Kings matchup. which is scary AF

Yeah it’s probably the scariest division at the top. The Kings look incredible this year.

 

[Hoglander]

What they've done to this point is impressive, considering practically everyone expected them to be hard-pressed just to claim the 8th seed. Will they finish as the best team after 82 games? Not likely, but they are a good team, and it's funny seeing people desperately scrambling to discredit them with weak-ass arguments. Anyone who has watched the games, clearly understands that they've earned their current position in the standings.

And a large part of the reason the Oilers aren't good this year, is because the Canucks destroyed them early, and in turn, shattered their confidence.

I'd also like to take a moment to poke fun at all the people who don't seem seem to get the "quietly" joke at this point.

 

[coolboarder]

Because getting 1 pt of a game is a neutral result, at the end of the season comparing wins to losses column alone will 100% correlate to how high a team is in the standings. For that reason I have used it as quickhand way to see how a team is doing independent of games played for a few years.

If you go by pts % the Kings are tied with the Canucks which differs from my list, however I think that's because the Kings are "on pace for" to eventually have the same win/loss record as the Canucks 5 games from now. I would argue that having a 2nd best in the league rate with 5 more games played in the bag is a slightly better position to be iIf t

If the Eastern Conference has just 8 teams instead of 16 teams, then road trips would be about the equal and Rangers might struggle with it. No NYI, no NJ, You would have Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, Boston, Washington, Carolina, and maybe Tampa Bay and the travel would about be equal as Pacific Division. It is just that too many teams in one time zone due to higher population which is the fact of life, sadly.

That is the reason why I would prefer removing conference and go with division so that every team in the division of 4 teams would get some extra games within the division and anything over 1,000 miles would be non-division opponents. Makes sense? That way, one team would be visiting other teams once, even in the Eastern conference and get more games within the division and even more so, split up NYC teams into three different division to spread out their travels I would not be opposed to see NYR vs NYI back to back in season opener 2 games and never see them again for rest of the season so that they do not stay in one city anytime they are on the road.

Even if I propose that, the fans would complain still after the fact that they already have it easy.

 

[coolboarder]

Also Canucks are top of the league in games played. Their points/game are not leading the league.

Yes, that is the fact. You forgot to put that into a factor, that means, tougher stretch of schedule that they have to go through in that other teams don't. It will be reverse similar type which means other teams will go through tough stretch that Canucks will not. Which means, at its freshest later down the road, they will win more games than their opponents that had less games played so far into a tough stretch and tire them out which means, tougher way to win games in hand due to tired legs.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Yeah it’s probably the scariest division at the top. The Kings look incredible this year.

Demko and Hughes completely own the Kings though, even not super healthy. I don't like that matchup at all.

I guess the top sucks regardless though, no one wants to face each other.

Well, maybe Nucks fans want the Oilers, you can have them, please keep away from us

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

True, they’ve played the Canucks three times!

Oilers have also only had 1 B2B and it didn’t involve any travel.

That’s your barometer for a difficult schedule? B2B games and not quality of opponent?

 

[jackjohnson]

Demko and Hughes completely own the Kings though, even not super healthy. I don't like that matchup at all.

I guess the top sucks regardless though, no one wants to face each other.

Well, maybe Nucks fans want the Oilers, you can have them, please keep away from us

Oilers would be the easiest team if they make the playoffs due to the fact their goalie is bad. Canucks could tighten up that defense even more and their 5 on 5 play has been superb so they dont even need to rely on their PP which is 7th in the league. Soucy coming back and trading for another top 4D would make the canucks a solid contender.

That’s your barometer for a difficult schedule? B2B games and not quality of opponent?

You are right oilers had to face some tough teams like canucks 3 times. Too bad Canucks cant face the Canucks 3 times lol

 

[jackjohnson]

Huh? I'm not talking about pre-season predictions, I'm talking about reality. As of now Vancouver is 20th in xGF%. Well below average and not a predictor of playoff success based on prior history.

Do you have anything that directly rebuts my points about CF%, xGF% or PDO? Or does your insecurity prevent you from addressing these points?

its great you look at all the underlying stats but not great when you ignore the main ones that count like GF, GA, regulation wins etc. Those underlying numbers dont tell the whole story. If xGF is so important then Oilers and Flames would be tops in the league but they arent. Cant look at one stat in isolation and ignore everything else. Its not an accurate analysis at all.