Proposal: Van/NYI: Miller/Hoglander/Rathbone

[Buresflyingelbow]

Was thinking of another team that has been struggling this year who might want to change it up. NYI are in win now mode and a salary cap does exist as well.

VAN: Barzal/Dobson

NYI: Miller/Hoglander/Rathbone

Picks can be added to offset but I think these two can get pieces from one another to help out both. Thoughts on the premise of this trade?

Barzal hometown guy and Miller familiar with playing in NY. Canadians and Americans going to play in their own country.

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[Pierce Hawthorne]

Wait...


Is that package for both Barzal and Dobson?


Jesus that is so beyond horrible.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Wait...


Is that package for both Barzal and Dobson?


Jesus that is so beyond horrible.

A top line C on a sweetheart contact signed next year for 5.25 as well, age 28. A top 6 20 year old on a ELC contract. A future top 4 Dman that can run a PP. Barzal I thought was struggling this year?

 

[Siludin]

I could see the Islanders targeting Miller but probs not in this package. They might also be interested in Boeser as his RFA price wouldn't scare them off.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

I could see the Islanders targeting Miller but probs not in this package. They might also be interested in Boeser as his RFA price wouldn't scare them off.

Miller and Boeser for Barzal and Dobson?
That would also work and be preferable in my opinion.

 

[Baberham Lincoln]

I wouldn’t even trade Hoglander for Barzal let alone Boeser. Why do the Canucks need a $7m center for their 3rd line?

 

[miscs75]

What are the Islanders receiving to make this worth giving up both Barzal and Dobson? This package just isn’t it. Let’s do this properly, replace the whole Vancouver side and upgrade all 3 options. After that, we may have a start.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Honestly the Rathbone and some mid-round pick for Mayfield proposals makes more sense.

Vancouver's doing well now with Boudreau so it's hard to get a read 0n their players right now, as far as worth. Islanders are finally seeing an uptick as well.

The Isles would love to have Boeser but I don't know what they have that would entice Vancouver to move him? Beau and a 1st? That would be too much for the Isles, having to resign Boeser higher while further depleting the prospect pool they have right now, which is lousy.

Why the Islanders would trade Barzal for Miller, Hoglander, Rathbone (any mixing or matching of those players) would be beyond me? None of those players really move the needle.

Dobson's really the only puck-mover we have so that doesn't make sense either. Hoglander looks to have a good future but we have enough wings that can pot 15-25 a year.

Don't really see either team wanting to have anything to do with this.

 

[McJedi]

Was thinking of another team that has been struggling this year who might want to change it up. NYI are in win now mode and a salary cap does exist as well.

VAN: Barzal/Dobson

NYI: Miller/Hoglander/Rathbone

Picks can be added to offset but I think these two can get pieces from one another to help out both. Thoughts on the premise of this trade?

Barzal hometown guy and Miller familiar with playing in NY. Canadians and Americans going to play in their own country.

Vancouver needs to add something very major to this to make value match.

 

[McJedi]

A top line C on a sweetheart contact signed next year for 5.25 as well, age 28. A top 6 20 year old on a ELC contract. A future top 4 Dman that can run a PP. Barzal I thought was struggling this year?

In what universe is JT Miller a top 1C? None I’m aware of. He’s a good and pretty productive top six forward but that guy isn’t the the category of a Barkov, Taveres, MacKinnon, Eichel and many other legit 1Cs


TJ Miller is a career 0.658 PPG player. He’s real good. But This isn’t a top line C. His own Wiki page isn’t even sure if he’s a LW or C.

JT Miller will hit UFA next offseason when he’s 29.5 years old. Not great when you know that if you give him a 7-8 year deal, the tail end of that contract could really prove problematic. Teams won’t be lining up for the opportunity to trade away big assets to acquire him to then give him a large raise and long term as he exits his prime years.

I like JT Miller but he doesn’t carry anything close to the value you seem to think he’s does based on this proposal.

 

[SI90]

 

[McJedi]

A top line C on a sweetheart contact signed next year for 5.25 as well, age 28. A top 6 20 year old on a ELC contract. A future top 4 Dman that can run a PP. Barzal I thought was struggling this year?

EP is also really struggling. Looks like EP caught the yips. Would you swap EP for JT Miller in your proposal and still make the deal?

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Was thinking of another team that has been struggling this year who might want to change it up. NYI are in win now mode and a salary cap does exist as well.

VAN: Barzal/Dobson

NYI: Miller/Hoglander/Rathbone

Picks can be added to offset but I think these two can get pieces from one another to help out both. Thoughts on the premise of this trade?

Barzal hometown guy and Miller familiar with playing in NY. Canadians and Americans going to play in their own country.

No dude, Islanders say no, I love Hog and Miller, and Rathbone is a decent prospect, but that doesn't get you those two

 

[Bettman Returnz]

Obviously the Canucks could use a young top 4 RHD… Dobson would be a nice target. But you could argue most other teams also need/want that same thing, even the islanders.

Not even going to touch in the barzal part of this deal as that’s not going to happen. It’s like us throwing in petey.

 

[Glorydays22]

Was thinking of another team that has been struggling this year who might want to change it up. NYI are in win now mode and a salary cap does exist as well.

VAN: Barzal/Dobson

NYI: Miller/Hoglander/Rathbone

Picks can be added to offset but I think these two can get pieces from one another to help out both. Thoughts on the premise of this trade?

Barzal hometown guy and Miller familiar with playing in NY. Canadians and Americans going to play in their own country.

LOL, please close thread now.

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

In what universe is JT Miller a top 1C? None I’m aware of. He’s a good and pretty productive top six forward but that guy isn’t the the category of a Barkov, Taveres, MacKinnon, Eichel and many other legit 1Cs


TJ Miller is a career 0.658 PPG player. He’s real good. But This isn’t a top line C. His own Wiki page isn’t even sure if he’s a LW or C.

JT Miller will hit UFA next offseason when he’s 29.5 years old. Not great when you know that if you give him a 7-8 year deal, the tail end of that contract could really prove problematic. Teams won’t be lining up for the opportunity to trade away big assets to acquire him to then give him a large raise and long term as he exits his prime years.

I like JT Miller but he doesn’t carry anything close to the value you seem to think he’s does based on this proposal.

He has been a ppg player for Vancouver since coming over. The guys has moved from a good top6 player to an elite 1st liner.
Based on contract and play the guy is worth a crap ton on the open market.
If he had 4 more years, he would be worth Barzal by himself.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

A top line C on a sweetheart contact signed next year for 5.25 as well, age 28. A top 6 20 year old on a ELC contract. A future top 4 Dman that can run a PP. Barzal I thought was struggling this year?

You think Miller is a top line center and that NYI should trade their far superior actual top line center for him? That's funny

 

[dahrougem2]

He has been a ppg player for Vancouver since coming over. The guys has moved from a good top6 player to an elite 1st liner.
Based on contract and play the guy is worth a crap ton on the open market.
If he had 4 more years, he would be worth Barzal by himself.

But he doesn't. He only has 1.5 years remaining. He's also best suited on the wing, not centre.

 

[LuLover96]

But he doesn't. He only has 1.5 years remaining. He's also best suited on the wing, not centre.

I get that the proposal sucks but that’s an equally bad take. He’s our best overall centre, 53.5% in the dot, and a two way beast when he’s not making dumb mistakes. It’s why he gets PK minutes.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Would love Dobby but realistically there isn’t a match with NYI.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

It’s not as insanely bad as people are making it out to be. NYI aren’t a young team and are there to compete now. I also stated picks but I didn’t want to get into that but I’m sure a Vancouver 1st would be on the table as well in this type of deal. If not I’ll continue my quest to find a young RHD. Barzal was there because he is a hometown guy that I know for a fact would/will come play here at some point due to mutual friends etc. He has the speed JR was referring to

 

[miscs75]

What is the reverse in terms of trades for both teams?
VAN: EP40, Hughes
For
NYI: Nelson, Wilde, Wahlstrom

 

[M2Beezy]

Was thinking of another team that has been struggling this year who might want to change it up. NYI are in win now mode and a salary cap does exist as well.

VAN: Barzal/Dobson

NYI: Miller/Hoglander/Rathbone

Picks can be added to offset but I think these two can get pieces from one another to help out both. Thoughts on the premise of this trade?

Barzal hometown guy and Miller familiar with playing in NY. Canadians and Americans going to play in their own country.

Not a chance. Remove Miller or Hoglander from this and Id consider it if the Islanders add a nice pick too

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

But he doesn't. He only has 1.5 years remaining. He's also best suited on the wing, not centre.

He's been playing great centering Pearson and Boeser. Maybe watch some games? He did pretty good as a centre last year as well. And has been one of the top FO in the league.

 

[Luck 6]

In what universe is JT Miller a top 1C? None I’m aware of. He’s a good and pretty productive top six forward but that guy isn’t the the category of a Barkov, Taveres, MacKinnon, Eichel and many other legit 1Cs


TJ Miller is a career 0.658 PPG player. He’s real good. But This isn’t a top line C. His own Wiki page isn’t even sure if he’s a LW or C.

JT Miller will hit UFA next offseason when he’s 29.5 years old. Not great when you know that if you give him a 7-8 year deal, the tail end of that contract could really prove problematic. Teams won’t be lining up for the opportunity to trade away big assets to acquire him to then give him a large raise and long term as he exits his prime years.

I like JT Miller but he doesn’t carry anything close to the value you seem to think he’s does based on this proposal.

Miller has been at, or above, a point per game pace over the last 3 seasons including playoffs. His career PPG shouldn’t really be the measure here. Miller has scored at a pace worthy of a legit 1C over the past 3 seasons while providing strong face off skills and other intangibles. He outscored some of the guys you noted, actually.

Now, you have legit concerns on the re-signing requirements, I don’t think I’d want to give him the contract that he’s going to demand, hence why many Canuck fans are willing to trade him.

So in short, this is an awful proposal, but I do think you’re underselling Miller here a bit.

Would Dobson be even remotely available?