Proposal: Van/NYI: Miller/Hoglander/Rathbone

[coopooter]

I wouldn’t even trade Hoglander for Barzal let alone Boeser. Why do the Canucks need a $7m center for their 3rd line?

Because he would be your #1center

 

[EhlersChin]

He's been playing great centering Pearson and Boeser. Maybe watch some games? He did pretty good as a centre last year as well. And has been one of the top FO in the league.

How much term is left on his contract?

 

[Luck 6]

I wouldn’t even trade Hoglander for Barzal let alone Boeser. Why do the Canucks need a $7m center for their 3rd line?

Don’t we already have a 7m center playing on our :rd line? Haha.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

What is the reverse in terms of trades for both teams?
VAN: EP40, Hughes
For
NYI: Nelson, Wilde, Wahlstrom

Exchange Hughes for Woo and I think you're closer.

I see why the Isles fans don't like the original offer. I can't see them wanting to move Barzal for pretty much anything.

Miller, Boeser and Woo for Nelson, Bolduc and Dobson

 

[Cogburn]

Yeah, this doesn't seem like it's going well, and it didn't start out great.

I love Rathbone and Hoglander, but they hold only small amounts of value outside of Vancouver right now.

Boeser and Miller would be closer to the original return, but I don't see why New York does this, needs, arguably value, and optics, and I honestly don't see why Vancouver does, ruining chemistry with what we're winning with and going for wins instead of evaluating and rebuilding.

 

[Tempo]

This is god awful for the Islanders, and I am a Nucks fan.

 

[miscs75]

Exchange Hughes for Woo and I think you're closer.

I see why the Isles fans don't like the original offer. I can't see them wanting to move Barzal for pretty much anything.

Miller, Boeser and Woo for Nelson, Bolduc and Dobson

Eh, Dobson is trending towards being a top pairing defensemen. Woo is still a prospect. It’s not so much the moving Barzal. It’s the fact that the offer was minimal return for the Islanders and the two other players besides Miller don’t stack up to benefit the Islanders in any way except help them blow the team up even more.

 

[Glorydays22]

Miller has been at, or above, a point per game pace over the last 3 seasons including playoffs. His career PPG shouldn’t really be the measure here. Miller has scored at a pace worthy of a legit 1C over the past 3 seasons while providing strong face off skills and other intangibles. He outscored some of the guys you noted, actually.

Now, you have legit concerns on the re-signing requirements, I don’t think I’d want to give him the contract that he’s going to demand, hence why many Canuck fans are willing to trade him.

So in short, this is an awful proposal, but I do think you’re underselling Miller here a bit.

Would Dobson be even remotely available?

Dobson isn't available....He is our only offensive Dmen. Vancouver and Isles don't match up at all.

 

[Glorydays22]

I wouldn’t even trade Hoglander for Barzal let alone Boeser. Why do the Canucks need a $7m center for their 3rd line?

Thank God...so you keep Hoglander and us poor Isles we'll have to live with it and keep Brazal

 

[Phrasing]

Ironic username OP

 

[Luck 6]

Dobson isn't available....He is our only offensive Dmen. Vancouver and Isles don't match up at all.

Not even if someone like OEL or Rathbone was going the other way?

If not, I would have to agree with you. We really just need some good RHD.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

EP, Boeser + 2022 1st

For

Barzal, Wahlstrom + 2022 1st

 

[Glorydays22]

Not even if someone like OEL or Rathbone was going the other way?

If not, I would have to agree with you. We really just need some good RHD.

No, I rather have Dobson than Rathbone. I think Dobson has real good offensive talent, and he's 6'4 compared to Rathbone being a small 5'11. Dobson has 100 games under his belt, only 24 and really starting to click offensively now.

 

[Luck 6]

No, I rather have Dobson than Rathbone. I think Dobson has real good offensive talent, and he's 6'4 compared to Rathbone being a small 5'11. Dobson has 100 games under his belt, only 24 and really starting to click offensively now.

Well of course you’d rather have Dobson, so would I haha. I’m not sure what else could be added to balance it out, I’d even do something around Miller, Rathbone for Dobson+.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

EP, Boeser + 2022 1st

For

Barzal, Wahlstrom + 2022 1st

This seems overly dramatic that will have little effect on the teams. Kinda like defibrilliating two franchises to see if something's brought back from the dead when both teams are showing signs of life right now.

I do wonder about the impact though, it's interesting to think about.

 

[Glorydays22]

Well of course you’d rather have Dobson, so would I haha. I’m not sure what else could be added to balance it out, I’d even do something around Miller, Rathbone for Dobson+.

I'm not looking to move him. Our Defense is only 4 deep with Pelech, Pulock, Mayfield and Dobson. He's a keeper for me at least. Me personally, I would be looking to move guys like Bailey, Parms, Parise, possibly Lee in the off-season. We aren't making the playoffs, my team need to re-tool, get a little younger with some speed on offense.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Was thinking of another team that has been struggling this year who might want to change it up. NYI are in win now mode and a salary cap does exist as well.

VAN: Barzal/Dobson

NYI: Miller/Hoglander/Rathbone

Picks can be added to offset but I think these two can get pieces from one another to help out both. Thoughts on the premise of this trade?

Barzal hometown guy and Miller familiar with playing in NY. Canadians and Americans going to play in their own country.

I’m a Ranger fan and I approve this message.

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

How much term is left on his contract?

1 year after this. So 1 1/2 years right now. At 5.25m the guy is worth a crap ton if traded. I'm of the mind he should be dealt in the off season for asset management reasons. Not easily replaced, but we will likely get a high pick this year.

 

[The Wahligator]

I wouldn’t even trade Hoglander for Barzal let alone Boeser. Why do the Canucks need a $7m center for their 3rd line?

My god one of the absolute worst takes I've ever seen on this site.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Not a chance.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

I wouldn’t even trade Hoglander for Barzal let alone Boeser. Why do the Canucks need a $7m center for their 3rd line?

Yeah ok buddy

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

EP, Boeser + 2022 1st

For

Barzal, Wahlstrom + 2022 1st

Absolutely no from NYI.

Also a hard no to the OP proposal.

Usually bad NYI proposals come from Canadiens and Maple Leafs fans. Guess we may need to add Canucks fans to that list because this thread is not good to put it kindly.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

Obviously my proposal was way off and I apologize. I rate Miller very highly where 1 for 1 with Barzal I’d consider it a wash. Dobson I guess I was just stat watching on the proposal and didn’t realize he was trending up. I thought he was a guy who needed a change of scenery due to who is in front of him.

 

[Paddys Pub]

In what universe is JT Miller a top 1C? None I’m aware of. He’s a good and pretty productive top six forward but that guy isn’t the the category of a Barkov, Taveres, MacKinnon, Eichel and many other legit 1Cs


TJ Miller is a career 0.658 PPG player. He’s real good. But This isn’t a top line C. His own Wiki page isn’t even sure if he’s a LW or C.

JT Miller will hit UFA next offseason when he’s 29.5 years old. Not great when you know that if you give him a 7-8 year deal, the tail end of that contract could really prove problematic. Teams won’t be lining up for the opportunity to trade away big assets to acquire him to then give him a large raise and long term as he exits his prime years.

I like JT Miller but he doesn’t carry anything close to the value you seem to think he’s does based on this proposal.

He has been around or above PPG the last 3 seasons. He is a heart and soul leader, and yeah…. He plays center.
He also has almost double the points of NYI leading scorer. Hahahah
Get real dude. He probably be their best player

Edit, pretty sure Miller has out scored Barzal the last 3 seasons and is signed to a sweet deal.
Looking like Miller might be the more valuable player as it hasn’t been proven that Barzal can produce like Miller

 

[Canadian Canuck]

He has been around or above PPG the last 3 seasons. He is a heart and soul leader, and yeah…. He plays center.
He also has almost double the points of NYI leading scorer. Hahahah
Get real dude. He probably be their best player

Edit, pretty sure Miller has out scored Barzal the last 3 seasons and is signed to a sweet deal.
Looking like Miller might be the more valuable player as it hasn’t been proven that Barzal can produce like Miller

Exactly this. Miller getting criminally underrated again.