Proposal: VAN - MIN (Fiala+for Miller)

[JohnHodgson]

Sure but then why trade fiala? Why not trade draft picks for other upgrades at center while keeping fiala?

Because you apparently have a lot of dead cap and can't keep him anyway.

Judging by comparables, Fiala would likely cost $6.5-$7M on a long term extension. Would your team be willing to give him a long term extension when you already have Kaprizov, Zucc, Boldy, Foligno, Greenway etc. on the wings?

 

[JohnHodgson]

Maybe most of us just aren't interested in what it would actually cost (or at least what Van fans think it would cost) the Wild to get Miller. So, instead of actual reasonable proposals, they're throwing out sketchy trade proposals. And, the one on the OP was pretty sketchy to begin with, so it more or less set the tone for the rest of the thread.

How is a proposal "sketchy"?

Just because you disagree with it... doesn't mean it's "sketchy" or intended to be a troll post.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

Angry, peeved, annoyed, whatever. If you say people aren't mad at this proposal you can't really say that OP is having tantrum. Also you're a Canucks fan, what is your value for Miller? To me if you remove the Pearson and Rask part its pretty fair value. The only thing holding Wild back is their team chemistry etc and their cap apparently.

Not even you believe JT Miller is worth fiala, 1st round pick and addison? No , we will keep fiala, prospect and 1st. Can this thread be closed by mods? Two people in here can't stand being told no

 

[IceBoxHockey]

Because you apparently have a lot of dead cap and can't keep him anyway.

Judging by comparables, Fiala would likely cost $6.5-$7M on a long term extension. Would your team be willing to give him a long term extension when you already have Kaprizov, Zucc, Boldy, Foligno, Greenway etc. on the wings?

That will be the tough decision BG will have to make this offseason. Personally, if we could sign Fiala to a reasonable deal than I would and trade Dumba to make the cap work.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

How is a proposal "sketchy"?

Just because you disagree with it... doesn't mean it's "sketchy" or intended to be a troll post.

@mods can you close this? It's becoming a piss match of two people who can't understand why wild fans don't like this deal, or that us, and our gm aren't interested

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Angry, peeved, annoyed, whatever. If you say people aren't mad at this proposal you can't really say that OP is having tantrum. Also you're a Canucks fan, what is your value for Miller? To me if you remove the Pearson and Rask part its pretty fair value. The only thing holding Wild back is their team chemistry etc and their cap apparently.

Calling a proposal bad, does not make anyone, angry, annoyed, peeved or whatever, that is literally the point of HF, people make proposals and people say they suck or they are good, or they are ok or whatever, none of that is the emotional response you seem to think it is.

As Wild fans have said, the difference between Miller and Fiala does not include a 1st and addison, especially for a team that will really be up against the cap partly because of dead cap space and partly because of having to re-sign players. They need ELC's and 1st rounders more than anything else.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

Get better reading comprehension.

You literally think wild should trade fiala, 1st round pick and Calen addison for JT . Then you get angry that wild fans have said no. There's no reasoning with you and that other dude

 

[MK9]

How is a proposal "sketchy"?

Just because you disagree with it... doesn't mean it's "sketchy" or intended to be a troll post.

Sketchy. Weak. Call it whatever. The appellative isn't really that important. I don't think and didn't say you were trolling. I just think the trade in the original post is poor.

 

[JohnHodgson]

That will be the tough decision BG will have to make this offseason. Personally, if we could sign Fiala to a reasonable deal than I would and trade Dumba to make the cap work.

If you guys are going to be a major cap crunch, to me it makes more sense to use Fiala as a massive trade chip, versus use your picks and prospects as those ELCs will come in very handy.

It's going to be extremely difficult to try to trade Fiala and not take back any significant cap... every team in the NHL is in a cap crunch right now. The value will be diminished for sure.

 

[Mnsportsfan22]

Because you apparently have a lot of dead cap and can't keep him anyway.

Judging by comparables, Fiala would likely cost $6.5-$7M on a long term extension. Would your team be willing to give him a long term extension when you already have Kaprizov, Zucc, Boldy, Foligno, Greenway etc. on the wings?

My response was to you saying how the wild should make the push now. So why trade fiala and not draft picks and prospects if the wild are going win now mode

 

[JohnHodgson]

Sketchy. Weak. Call it whatever. The appellative isn't really that important. I don't think and didn't say you were trolling. I just think the trade in post is poor.

Poor how so?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If you guys are going to be a major cap crunch, to me it makes more sense to use Fiala as a massive trade chip, versus use your picks and prospects as those ELCs will come in very handy.

It's going to be extremely difficult to try to trade Fiala and not take back any significant cap... every team in the NHL is in a cap crunch right now. The value will be diminished for sure.

Not true.

 

[John Johnson]

Calling a proposal bad, does not make anyone, angry, annoyed, peeved or whatever, that is literally the point of HF, people make proposals and people say they suck or they are good, or they are ok or whatever, none of that is the emotional response you seem to think it is.

As Wild fans have said, the difference between Miller and Fiala does not include a 1st and addison, especially for a team that will really be up against the cap partly because of dead cap space and partly because of having to re-sign players. They need ELC's and 1st rounders more than anything else.

Then use your own example towards OP. You can't say hes throwing a tantrum in the same way. Im not gonna bother replying to second part because I don't need a Wild fan#2 telling me something that a hundred other real Wild fans have already said.

 

[IceBoxHockey]

If you guys are going to be a major cap crunch, to me it makes more sense to use Fiala as a massive trade chip, versus use your picks and prospects as those ELCs will come in very handy.

It's going to be extremely difficult to try to trade Fiala and not take back any significant cap... every team in the NHL is in a cap crunch right now. The value will be diminished for sure.

Ottawa is rumored to be interested in Kevin Fiala. They could easily fit him in without having to send back much cap. The ducks or the Devils makes sense as well.

 

[John Johnson]

You literally think wild should trade fiala, 1st round pick and Calen addison for JT . Then you get angry that wild fans have said no. There's no reasoning with you and that other dude

I never said you should. I said thats relatively fair value IF the Wild was ever interested which they clearly aren't because of their own reasons.

 

[JohnHodgson]

Not true.

Every "good" team in the NHL is in a cap crunch.

That better?

 

[Joseph Nathan]

If you guys are going to be a major cap crunch, to me it makes more sense to use Fiala as a massive trade chip, versus use your picks and prospects as those ELCs will come in very handy.

It's going to be extremely difficult to try to trade Fiala and not take back any significant cap... every team in the NHL is in a cap crunch right now. The value will be diminished for sure.

What you are forgetting is Minnesota doesn't have to trade fiala right now and trade him summer A la Sam Reinhart

 

[MK9]

Poor how so?

Enough so, that most of us Wild fans don't have any interest in it.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Every "good" team in the NHL is in a cap crunch.

That better?

What difference does that make in regards to trading Fiala?

 

[JohnHodgson]

Ottawa is rumored to be interested in Kevin Fiala. They could easily fit him in without having to send back much cap. The ducks or the Devils makes sense as well.

You can't just depend on one team to trade for your player. There are only a handful of teams that would be A) interested in Fiala's services, B) can afford to sign him to a massive extension, C) can actually fit him in their cap sheet without sending significant salary back.

You lose all your leverage and will probably have to give Fiala away at that point - similar to Buchnevich.

 

[ref19]

Wild fans seem to think Fiala and maybe a bag of pucks and some Doritos could get Miller...

Value is about right. Wouldn't think Minnesota would trade Fiala midseason though

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You can't just depend on one team to trade for your player. There are only a handful of teams that would be A) interested in Fiala's services, B) can afford to sign him to a massive extension, C) can actually fit him in their cap sheet without sending significant salary back.

You lose all your leverage and will probably have to give Fiala away at that point - similar to Buchnevich.

2 of those things don't apply to the Canucks either.

 

[IceBoxHockey]

You can't just depend on one team to trade for your player. There are only a handful of teams that would be A) interested in Fiala's services, B) can afford to sign him to a massive extension, C) can actually fit him in their cap sheet without sending significant salary back.

You lose all your leverage and will probably have to give Fiala away at that point - similar to Buchnevich.

Weird, the argument you are using to diminish Fiala’s value (specifically point B) is what Wild fans have been telling you about Miller. We can’t afford him so it doesn’t make sense for us.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Then use your own example towards OP. You can't say hes throwing a tantrum in the same way. Im not gonna bother replying to second part because I don't need a Wild fan#2 telling me something that a hundred other real Wild fans have already said.

Yah I can, when someone says no I don't like the trade and you respond with iterations of "you don't know your team", "I know your team better then you", "how dare you compare Fiala to Miller" etc. Yah that's throwing a tantrum and it's completely different then just disagreeing with the trade.

Let's be honest, your not responding to the 2nd part because you got nothing to respond with that in any way proves it wrong.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

Yah I can, when someone says no I don't like the trade and you respond with iterations of "you don't know your team", "I know your team better then you", "how dare you compare Fiala to Miller" etc. Yah that's throwing a tantrum and it's completely different then just disagreeing with the trade.

Let's be honest, your not responding to the 2nd part because you got nothing to respond with that in any way proves it wrong.

Lol. Hey I will bet you a fake million they are the same people