Proposal: VAN/EDM Blockbuster

[PG Canuck]

Do not tell that to nucks fans. SOME believe he is top 10 in the league and a few suggested it would have only been small add to get Matthews at the sraft

Some pretty incredible generalizations going on in this post.

 

[Poignant Discussion*]

So RNH for Tanev can be argued from both sides, but is close enough to fair.
But you want Hansen and Sutter for free? Lol do you happen to also be a Leafs fan, cuz this is about ludicrous as the Tanev to Toronto threads.

Then enjoy your season, maybe by 2019 the Canucks will decide to rebuild.

By the way Sutter has very little value and the Oilers are getting jobbed big time in this proposal

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

By the way Sutter has very little value and the Oilers are getting jobbed big time in this proposal

A young 3rd line center good for 30ish points that's signed to a reasonable long-term contract has "very little value"? He's exactly what we hope Lander becomes, and is both a better and cheaper fit for a checking unit than RNH.

Add in Hansen- who also has a ton of utility as a middle-six winger capable of 20 goals- and you're a lot closer to Eberle-level value than you want to admit.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

A young 3rd line center good for 30ish points that's signed to a reasonable long-term contract has "very little value"? He's exactly what we hope Lander becomes, and is both a better and cheaper fit for a checking unit than RNH.

Add in Hansen- who also has a ton of utility as a middle-six winger capable of 20 goals- and you're a lot closer to Eberle-level value than you want to admit.

The fair trade is Tanev and Horvat for RNH and Eberle. Sutter with Hansen doesn't cut it value wise

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Vancouver instantly has an excellent top 6 if this happens.

Rodin RNH Eberle
Sedin Sedin Eriksson

 

[I am not exposed]

Tanev is not a 1st pairing dmen. Tanev is a #4 dmen.

Lol. That is even funnier than the trade proposal.

 

[McBooya42]

The Canucks are clearly in a transitional phase, but don't presently have the talent up front necessary to push the Sedins down and perhaps even out of the lineup. Edmonton, meanwhile, needs depth, speed and two-way play more than they do goals.

Here, then, is a blockbuster:



Ryan Nugent-Hopkins ($6M)
Jordan Eberle ($6M)

Total- $12M



Chris Tanev (4.45M)
Brandon Sutter ($4.375M)
Jannik Hansen ($2.5M)

Total- $11.3M

The Canucks end up with a more well-rounded top nine that allows their kids to play more reasonable roles:

Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson
Burrows-RNH-Eberle
Bartschi-Horvat-Virtanen
Megna-Granlund-Dorsett
Skille Gaunce

Edler-Gudbranson
Hutton-Stecher
Sbisa-Larsen
Biega

Edmonton adds depth and speed, plus a right-handed D who McDavid raved about at the Worlds:

Lucic-McDavid-Puljujarvi
Maroon-Draisaitl-Hansen
Pouliot-Sutter-Kassian
Lander-Letestu-Pitlick
Slepyshev

Sekera-Tanev
Klefbom-Larsson
Russell-Nurse
Gryba

The task would then be to find a scorer to complement McDavid, an easier and cheaper task asset-wise than acquiring top-four D.

So Hansen as our 1st RW and Pitlick as our #2 RW. Brilliant management there (after the injuries last night)....your hate for Ebs is obvious, and your trade proposals suck because of it.
Pass...

 

[PetterssonSimp]

The fair trade is Tanev and Horvat for RNH and Eberle. Sutter with Hansen doesn't cut it value wise

Awful! Just awful. Only player worth keeping on this team is Bo Horvat. This is just down right awful.

Vancouver instantly has an excellent top 6 if this happens.

Rodin RNH Eberle
Sedin Sedin Eriksson

Rodin on the top line, hasn't played an NHL game. Tell me, does your back ever hurt shovelling this much **** into one post so short? It's mindboggling

Lol. That is even funnier than the trade proposal.

You must not have been around to be told Nikita Zaitsev is a better NHL defender than Chris Tanev. With all of his 12 NHL games. That one still has me laughing at Leafs fans.

 

[johna2626]

Big no from EDM

No way from Edmonton. Awful awful proposal.

That's atrocious for us.

bad deal for oilers

All things that would've been said by Oiler fans about Hall for Larsson.

I kinda like this deal for the Oilers. Sures up the top 4, and Sutter is a good top 6 center, great top 9. Eberle leaving seems like a little much, but I like Sutter more than most. Seems like if this were to happen, they'd have a lot of aspects you see from championship teams. Superstar forward, three centers deep, good top 4 that can be relied on, solid goaltending. I could see them winning the conference with that lineup.

And well, with Vancouver....
IDK why RNH and Eberle would see more success with the Canucks, than they saw with the Oilers. Doesn't make much sense to me, but I guess they want to "stay competitive"

 

[belair]

A young 3rd line center good for 30ish points that's signed to a reasonable long-term contract has "very little value"? He's exactly what we hope Lander becomes, and is both a better and cheaper fit for a checking unit than RNH.

Add in Hansen- who also has a ton of utility as a middle-six winger capable of 20 goals- and you're a lot closer to Eberle-level value than you want to admit.

That 'checking' unit generally faces the other team's top line. At home, almost exclusively.

How well do you think Brandon Sutter lines up against the same competition? How is he going to keep up that scoring pace when he's shutting down the Getzlafs, Kopitars and Sedins?

This road trip is already showing what happens when the competition has first change. McDavid has been brutal. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins protects Connor McDavid from those match-ups.

I'll take better over cheaper, please.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Tanev is not a 1st pairing dmen. Tanev is a #4 dmen.

Interesting cause in the Value of Chris Tanev thread you called him a #3. So which one is it? Do you like to change in every thread to support your opinion? I'll give you a hint, Chris Tanev is neither a #3 or a #4.

Tanev is a right handed 26yr old defensive shutdown dman(one of the best in the game at that) and he is on an amazing long term contract and is just entering his prime. Not moving him for anything less then a #1 centre or similar defenseman or blue chip can't miss prospect.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Oh and huge no to this proposal. Sutter and Hansen are extremely underrated and I'd rather have them than Eberle. Nuge is turning more into a shutdown centre in the fact that he takes matchups away from McDavid. For Tanev I'd want more of an offensive #1 centre. I'd trade Tanev for something around Draisaitl or Puljujarvi

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Oh and huge no to this proposal. Sutter and Hansen are extremely underrated and I'd rather have them than Eberle. Nuge is turning more into a shutdown centre in the fact that he takes matchups away from McDavid. For Tanev I'd want more of an offensive #1 centre. I'd trade Tanev for something around Draisaitl or Puljujarvi

I love Tanev, but no chance he gets that, ever.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

The fair trade is Tanev and Horvat for RNH and Eberle. Sutter with Hansen doesn't cut it value wise

This is the last deal Canucks should do. Horrible for us.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Do not tell that to nucks fans. SOME believe he is top 10 in the league and a few suggested it would have only been small add to get Matthews at the sraft

Who? Show us proof. Would love to see any canucks fan claim he is top 10 in the league, or even worth Mathews.

 

[Martind26]

Yikes Edmonton would never make that trade. Rnh and Ederle could fetch way more than a 2nd pairing Defenseman and two third liners.

 

[KeninsFan]

A young 3rd line center good for 30ish points that's signed to a reasonable long-term contract has "very little value"? He's exactly what we hope Lander becomes, and is both a better and cheaper fit for a checking unit than RNH.

Add in Hansen- who also has a ton of utility as a middle-six winger capable of 20 goals- and you're a lot closer to Eberle-level value than you want to admit.

Hansen is the elite 3rd liner (capable of carrying a 3rd line on a contender) or a very good complimentary top 6er like Wayne Simmonds lite. He's worth a lot.

Sutter is meh. Overpaid for what he is, a 2/3C on a good day. I would trade him for cheap but Benning likes him.

 

[Riptide]

So RNH for Tanev can be argued from both sides, but is close enough to fair.
But you want Hansen and Sutter for free? Lol do you happen to also be a Leafs fan, cuz this is about ludicrous as the Tanev to Toronto threads.

Why would Edmonton trade Eberle for Hansen and Sutter? Sutter at least makes some sense, but moving Eberle for "depth" like Hansen certainly doesn't.

 

[Riptide]

A young 3rd line center good for 30ish points that's signed to a reasonable long-term contract has "very little value"? He's exactly what we hope Lander becomes, and is both a better and cheaper fit for a checking unit than RNH.

Add in Hansen- who also has a ton of utility as a middle-six winger capable of 20 goals- and you're a lot closer to Eberle-level value than you want to admit.

A center who's almost 28 (2 mths) who makes 4.3m and is only good for 30ish points is not a reasonable long term contract. Trust me, there was a reason why Pittsburgh fans were overjoyed to see Sutter go - especially after he signed that contract.

That 'checking' unit generally faces the other team's top line. At home, almost exclusively.

How well do you think Brandon Sutter lines up against the same competition? How is he going to keep up that scoring pace when he's shutting down the Getzlafs, Kopitars and Sedins?

This road trip is already showing what happens when the competition has first change. McDavid has been brutal. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins protects Connor McDavid from those match-ups.

I'll take better over cheaper, please.

Sutter doesn't shut them down - he spends a lot of time in his own zone, then chips it out and changes. When he was in PIT, Crosby had to match up against those centers simply because Sutter wasn't effective when he did.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

A center who's almost 28 (2 mths) who makes 4.3m and is only good for 30ish points is not a reasonable long term contract. Trust me, there was a reason why Pittsburgh fans were overjoyed to see Sutter go - especially after he signed that contract.



Sutter doesn't shut them down - he spends a lot of time in his own zone, then chips it out and changes. When he was in PIT, Crosby had to match up against those centers simply because Sutter wasn't effective when he did.

He's a 3rd line C, this has been established, 3rd line C's make 4 million plus now, there is this thing called the salary cap, as it rises so do players salaries, thought most people knew this.

Well, he has been pretty good so far at that for us. Last night being the exception.

 

[belair]

Sutter doesn't shut them down - he spends a lot of time in his own zone, then chips it out and changes. When he was in PIT, Crosby had to match up against those centers simply because Sutter wasn't effective when he did.

I was talking about RNH. Sutter is a substantially inferior player than him.

 

[ComixZone]

That's a really bad deal for Edmonton.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Why would Edmonton trade Eberle for Hansen and Sutter? Sutter at least makes some sense, but moving Eberle for "depth" like Hansen certainly doesn't.

Well if you looked at what I quoted. They wanted to remove Eberle for Pouliot or other garbage. Basically no value.
So I make no mention of Ebs in that post being in the deal. Why it makes it even worse for Vancouver. Losing our #1D #3C and #2RW for RNH is pretty bad.

 

[rockinghockey]

EDM doesn't need a dman like Tanev they need a PP puck moving dman, so EDM moves two assets and fills no holes

 

[PG Canuck]

He's a 3rd line C, this has been established, 3rd line C's make 4 million plus now, there is this thing called the salary cap, as it rises so do players salaries, thought most people knew this.

Well, he has been pretty good so far at that for us. Last night being the exception.

Pretty hard to be bad when you get favorable matchups and offensive zone starts.