Confirmed with Link: [VAN/DET] Canucks acquire D Filip Hronek, 4th in ‘23 for NYI 1st (condt’l), 2023 2nd - Pt. 2

[bossram]

His PK metric is quite strong this year, we definitely need help there. He can't do it all by himself, but, well, brick by brick right?

Looking at the right side D in the organization now, you have Bear, Myers, Burroughs, Juulsen, Woo and...? Anybody that can play that side competently is going to be HUGE for us. And you hope he grows into either a great partner for Quinn, or can anchor his own pair. Like I said, he checks some boxes, not all, but there isn't any player available that can solves all of our problems by himself, so might as well just add to it, again, brick by brick.

It really isn't a well-calibrated gamble, it is super risky to bet so much assets on this player. This is a bet we simply CANNOT lose. But what's done is done, now just crossing my finger that it works out.

I cannot watch this team like reality TV for much longer. It was fun for awhile to pick apart the idiotic moves by management. But that is getting really tiring now. I just want to passionately cheer for the Nucks to win and be proud of my favorite team. How many more years of tank threads do I have to live through? You can only watch so many seasons of the Bachelor before you find new shows or new hobbies altogether. I'm nearing that point.

Check out Netflix's Perfect Match. It's like an even dumber Bachelor in Paradise.

 

[Josepho]

Check out Netflix's Perfect Match. It's like an even dumber Bachelor in Paradise.

I hate Joey and Kariselle with a passion.

 

[bossram]

I hate Joey and Kariselle with a passion.

At least they are an actual couple, unlike the rest of them who are just there to further their "influencer" careers and get future roles on Netflix's Cinematic Universe.

Kinda feel for Dom. This is not the show for him.

 

[VintageBure]

He legitimately inherited a team with similar cap hell bottoming out as the Canucks are in now, without a Quinn Hughes, Petey, or Demko (Bo = Larkin) but waited out some contracts and built up a prospect base, which is about to get better again in selling into a strong rental market when the East is extremely strong. Like other posters have mentioned, I'm pretty sure that draft capital becomes something in the summer when teams dummy themselves with cap space... Like the Canucks.

The more I think about it, the more it looks like the Canucks ended up with a quantity package for Horvat, ironically. This now looks like a grab bag of guys who just don't move the needle enough, and we lost the best player in the package (not that we had an option in trading him or re-signing, by the time we traded him).

He also assembled the core of a team that won 2 cups in a row and made it to finals 3 times in a row (as many times as we has as a 50 plus year franchise). He’s also a hall of fame player, likely to become a hall of fame executive too now.

 

[Diversification]

To complete the retool, all Alvin needs to do is add another high-end defender, a 2C, a 3C, and a top-line winger. And do it with no cap space, a barren prospect pool, and depleted draft capital.

Easy!

We need a 3C and a high end defender. The others are luxuries. We can probably ride with Miller as 2C.

 

[Tak7]

The general opinion of analysts, (people who actually get paid to do this) is that we lost this deal. I think we got fleeced myself. We overpaid. It would be nice to think for once that we got a good bargain. I think a 2nd and a 3rd would have been a fair price. Hate to see that Isle pick go.

There's teams currently ahead of the Canucks in the standings, that are selling & stockpiling future assets.

Even if you're adamant on being a buyer, the idea that you simply cannot hold onto those picks, see how the the rest of the season plays out, and then re-assess heading into the draft, is ludicrous. What was the urgency to get a Filip Hronek through the door for 20 games - not only does it hurt your chances of your own pick being a top 5, but it also screws your ability to make an actual win-now move in the summer.

 

[MS]

We need a 3C and a high end defender. The others are luxuries. We can probably ride with Miller as 2C.

One thing this UFA group is absolutely loaded with are solid 3C options, of various shapes and sizes (and costs).

 

[rypper]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet in this thread, but on the Vancast Drance made a good point.

He didn't like the trade per se because of it goes against what he thinks the team should do, timing etc. But agreed the value was reasonable.

But...

Went on to say that he was very surprised Vancouver didn't attach any protections on the pick. Ie Detroit gets whichever pick is worse between NYI and Van. Top 5/10 protection etc. And questioned why it couldn't wait until the draft. If Detroit would say no to it, if the pick say was cemented in at 15 instead of being a mystery box.

 

[credulous]

One thing this UFA group is absolutely loaded with are solid 3C options, of various shapes and sizes (and costs).

really? who do you like

i only really think jt compher (probably expensive), ivan barbashev (probably expensive), pius suter (probably resigns with detroit) and oscar sundqvist (probably resigns with detroit) are interesting

after that it's a bunch of washed up guys like teddy blueger and nick bonino

 

[Baby Pettersson]

really? who do you like

i only really think jt compher (probably expensive), ivan barbashev (probably expensive), pius suter (probably resigns with detroit) and oscar sundqvist (probably resigns with detroit) are interesting

after that it's a bunch of washed up guys like teddy blueger and nick bonino

O'Reilly?

 

[credulous]

O'Reilly?

he's gonna be expensive and he's borderline unplayable. he's looked even worse for the leafs than he looked for st louis

 

[Nucker101]

really? who do you like

i only really think jt compher (probably expensive), ivan barbashev (probably expensive), pius suter (probably resigns with detroit) and oscar sundqvist (probably resigns with detroit) are interesting

after that it's a bunch of washed up guys like teddy blueger and nick bonino

Blueger is solid. Barb is a winger. Compher I agree would be a buy high that I would avoid.

ROR isn’t coming here but I can already see all the fantasy scenarios where people expect him to.

 

[MS]

really? who do you like

i only really think jt compher (probably expensive), ivan barbashev (probably expensive), pius suter (probably resigns with detroit) and oscar sundqvist (probably resigns with detroit) are interesting

after that it's a bunch of washed up guys like teddy blueger and nick bonino

J. Staal
O'Reilly
Compher (who is very interesting)
Sundqvist
Blueger (poor season but I don't think he's washed up)
Kampf
Gaudreau (another super-underrated option)
Bjugstad

A couple of those guys will have big tickets but it shouldn't be hard to find a guy who can play 14-15 high-leverage minutes for $2.5 - $3 million.

 

[Nucker101]

J. Staal
O'Reilly
Compher (who is very interesting)
Barbashev
Sundqvist
Blueger (poor season but I don't think he's washed up)
Kampf
Gaudreau (another super-underrated option)
Bjugstad

A couple of those guys will have big tickets but it shouldn't be hard to find a guy who can play 14-15 high-leverage minutes for $2.5 - $3 million.

Would be surprised if JStaal comes here.

Gaudreau is interesting. Kampf is that solid defensively but zero offense type

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Is it a good time to gamble when your millions of dollars in debt ?? Anybody ?? Should I call and ask Evander Kane ?

Owe the bank a million = your problem.

Owe the bank a billion = their problem.

 

[Vector]

J. Staal
O'Reilly
Compher (who is very interesting)
Sundqvist
Blueger (poor season but I don't think he's washed up)
Kampf
Gaudreau (another super-underrated option)
Bjugstad

A couple of those guys will have big tickets but it shouldn't be hard to find a guy who can play 14-15 high-leverage minutes for $2.5 - $3 million.

Not a fan of Pius Suter?

 

[Vector]

 

[credulous]

staal i can buy if he's cheap but he's making 6m now so he's probably priced out

o'reilly i want zero part of. he's gonna get term and money and there's no way that's not an instant regret contract

freddy gaudreau is going to be swinging for the fences coming off a career season at 30. too much risk

kampf i don't think is any better than what the canucks already have

bjugstad i guess would be an alright stop gap

agree to disagree about blueger. i think he's basically just a depth penalty killer at this point. a more expensive lazar

 

[rypper]

Weird.

 

[MS]

Would be surprised if JStaal comes here.

Gaudreau is interesting. Kampf is that solid defensively but zero offense type

Yeah I don't see Staal or O'Reilly coming here - I added them to the list to indicate the size of the UFA pool more than that they'd be coming here.

Kampf has worked well for a not-dissimilar team in Toronto with lots of firepower on their top 2 lines, and the 22-25 ES points he's been at the last couple years isn't actually that bad.

Gaudreau is a name I really like. Zero pedigree, very under-the-radar player who can probably be signed for a pretty reasonable amount.

Not a fan of Pius Suter?

Missed him. Not a huge fan, but add him too!

 

[Sedinery]

Yo this Yzerman worship is whack.

He hasn't materially done anything since being hired as the GM.

That team has been rebuilding for like 7 years now with little to show for.

Detroit is is deep and young and now will stock up some more. Larkin is only guy on term

They will be better than us and for a lot longer

Most importantly, they are following an actual plan

 

[MS]

Detroit is is deep and young and now will stock up some more. Larkin is only guy on term

They will be better than us and for a lot longer

Most importantly, they are following an actual plan

Detroit aren't deep at all - they have some of the worst forward depth in the NHL and were forced to pay UFA premiums to mid-level guys in Andrew Copp and David Perron last summer to flush out their top 6.

Heading into year 8 of their rebuild it's actually shocking how thin they are.

 

[Sedinery]

No issue with Hronek as a player but after his pp points, he is an average d man from an offensive perspective.

Even if if you buy into him being elite, in 2 years he needs to be paid. The Canucks will not be competitive in 2 years, not even close and in 2 years Petey will be paid and OEL is still on the books.

This team needs to be selling, not buying

Its is not a window to buy. Retooling to keep EP happy will not work, we will not be competitive and we will lose him anyway

We need to pay our dues for our horrible trades, contracts and draft history. None of that can be remedied on the fly.

Detroit aren't deep at all - they have some of the worst forward depth in the NHL and were forced to pay UFA premiums to mid-level guys in Andrew Copp and David Perron last summer to flush out their top 6.

Heading into year 8 of their rebuild it's actually shocking how thin they are.

Pretty sure the 3 first rounders will help that problem ….. oh and the second rounders

The will finish ahead of the Canucks this year ( for as thin as they are ) and will finish ahead for years to come

 

[ChilliBilly]

There's teams currently ahead of the Canucks in the standings, that are selling & stockpiling future assets.

Even if you're adamant on being a buyer, the idea that you simply cannot hold onto those picks, see how the the rest of the season plays out, and then re-assess heading into the draft, is ludicrous. What was the urgency to get a Filip Hronek through the door for 20 games - not only does it hurt your chances of your own pick being a top 5, but it also screws your ability to make an actual win-now move in the summer.

completely agree. Overpaid, and a dumb time to do it.

 

[VanJack]

What a contrast between the Canucks and the Wings--and not a positive contrast.

Wings are only five points out of a wildcard in the Eastern Conference, but in the last 24 hours they've traded Hronek and Bertuzzi, and received back two first round draft picks; a high second rounder and a fourth.

Clearly Yzerman has taken stock of his team, and realizes that while they're close, there's more building to be done. So in one of the deepest drafts in years, they now have five picks in the top 40; plus they own the Bruins first rounder in 2024 along with their own.

The Canucks, who are miles out in the West, are still trading first and second rounders. They're a lottery team today; and thanks to trades like this, they'll be a lottery team for a long time.