Confirmed Trade: [VAN/CGY] Elias Lindholm for Andrei Kuzmenko, Hunter Brzustewicz, Joni Jurmo, 2024 1st, cond. 2024 4th

[Rowlet]

I thought it was common knowledge that he indicated he didnt want to sign with canucks. Friedman reported it no? picking Kitchener was also a strategic move that didnt sit well with certain scouts, that was also not a matter of opinion. he didnt beat out the other D for a WJC berth is also the same. I look at him as whoever is advising him is picking the path of least resistance for him, but its too obvious now in a sport that want to see kids overcome challenges... so I think its time for him to fight instead of flight next.

You'd think it was, but people come in here daily to talk about how stupid the Canucks are for giving up on him, or other nonsense while seemingly not knowing, or not caring about the lore.

When a player like Brzustewicz gets picked to be in the same development team, same university, and drafted to the same NHL team as Quinn Hughes, you've gotta suffer through it and learn how Hughes got to that point. Brzustewicz avoided any sort of challenge to get to the NHL as fast as possible.

 

[credulous]

You'd think it was, but people come in here daily to talk about how stupid the Canucks are for giving up on him, or other nonsense while seemingly not knowing, or not caring about the lore.

When a player like Brzustewicz gets picked to be in the same development team, same university, and drafted to the same NHL team as Quinn Hughes, you've gotta suffer through it and learn how Hughes got to that point. Brzustewicz avoided any sort of challenge to get to the NHL as fast as possible.

this is ridiculous. he was never going to get the opportunity hughes got because seamus casey had already been given it. when you're blocked at work by someone else you don't stay and "suffer through it" you go find a better opportunity

 

[Volica]

I can't believe this thread is still going.
Neither NHL guy will be with their respective clubs beyond this and next season regardless. Lindholm has been a disappointment this entire season and Kuzmenko is probably a 12-14 minute a night, 4 on the PP type player if he's playing his role best.

In retrospect I don't think Van does this trade in a do-over.

 

[Rowlet]

this is ridiculous. he was never going to get the opportunity hughes got because seamus casey had already been given it. when you're blocked at work by someone else you don't stay and "suffer through it" you go find a better opportunity

Yeah dude, we get it, but it's become a pattern at this point. The Canucks have 2 defensemen signed for next year and one of them is a #7, he had all the opportunity in Vancouver but still didn't want to earn it.

 

[BCNate]

I can't believe this thread is still going.
Neither NHL guy will be with their respective clubs beyond this and next season regardless. Lindholm has been a disappointment this entire season and Kuzmenko is probably a 12-14 minute a night, 4 on the PP type player if he's playing his role best.

In retrospect I don't think Van does this trade in a do-over.

Anytime 2 Canadian team make a trade of this nature it will be 100+ pages when it's all said and done.
Lindholm was brought in for the playoffs, and probably wasn't healthy at any point when he was playing with the Canucks, so tough to judge. With that said, at this stage most would probably rather have paid that price for Guenzel.

 

[credulous]

Yeah dude, we get it, but it's become a pattern at this point. The Canucks have 2 defensemen signed for next year and one of them is a #7, he had all the opportunity in Vancouver but still didn't want to earn it.

who cares why he doesn't want to be in vancouver? maybe he doesn't want to be employed by slumlords. maybe he hates sushi. maybe he's scared of canadian geese. it doesn't change his quality as a prospect

 

[Rowlet]

who cares why he doesn't want to be in vancouver? maybe he doesn't want to be employed by slumlords. maybe he hates sushi. maybe he's scared of canadian geese. it doesn't change his quality as a prospect

It doesn't change his skill, it changes the perception of him as a person.

If he falls on the depth chart, who's to say he won't ask for a trade again? Would another GM be willing to risk bringing him in knowing that he's run away when faced with a challenge twice already?

 

[Mitts]

It doesn't change his skill, it changes the perception of him as a person.

If he falls on the depth chart, who's to say he won't ask for a trade again? Would another GM be willing to risk bringing him in knowing that he's run away when faced with a challenge twice already?

Adam Fox didn't want to play with us, didn't stop him from winning a Norris.

 

[credulous]

It doesn't change his skill, it changes the perception of him as a person.

If he falls on the depth chart, who's to say he won't ask for a trade again? Would another GM be willing to risk bringing him in knowing that he's run away when faced with a challenge twice already?

usually when players ask for a trade it's for totally legitimate reasons. it's their career and they have to do what's best for them. this team loyalty bullshit is just sour grapes

 

[BB88]

I think he would be interested in 1 year show me deal because of the down year he is having plus the injury. His stock is down and he is probably losing about 1.5 mil per year on his new long term contract if he signed today. Over a full term of a 7year contract that can be around 10million total loss.

I think he bets on himself, 1 yr 6mil AAV. Does well next season and then signs a 7 yr 7to7.5 mil deal.

He would also benefit of having the cap go up even more the year after.

He saw what happened with Kling


He’ll want security

 

[Rowlet]

usually when players ask for a trade it's for totally legitimate reasons. it's their career and they have to do what's best for them. this team loyalty bullshit is just sour grapes

I don't care about team loyalty, I'm just saying that he didn't want to play in Van so the team didn't value him as highly

Adam Fox didn't want to play with us, didn't stop him from winning

And they only got a mid round pick for him, showing that players are worth less when they don't want to sign.

 

[credulous]

And they only got a mid round pick for him, showing that players are worth less when they don't want to sign.

adam fox was weeks away from being a ufa and still returned two 2nd round picks. the canucks owned bruztewicz' rights out to summer 2025

 

[dgibb10]

adam fox was weeks away from being a ufa and still returned two 2nd round picks. the canucks owned bruztewicz' rights out to summer 2025

Adam Fox is adam f***ing fox

 

[credulous]

Adam Fox is adam f***ing fox

i'm not comparing bruztewicz to fox. i'm just pointing out rowlet doesn't know what he's talking about

 

[Rowlet]

adam fox was weeks away from being a ufa and still returned two 2nd round picks. the canucks owned bruztewicz' rights out to summer 2025

Good for him, but again, Brzustewicz didn't want to sign in Vancouver, if he had Adam Fox upside they would have kept him longer.

 

[DFF]

Vancouver hopes Lindholm will have a good playoff

That’s the only way they can justify giving up all that for him

It’s hilarious people trying to justify now

 

[Rowlet]

Vancouver hopes Lindholm will have a good playoff

That’s the only way they can justify giving up all that for him

It’s hilarious people trying to justify now

The Canucks got the best C on the market and the Canucks didn't value any of the pieces they gave up that highly, that's why they made this deal instead of moving Hoglander for Guentzel, and they freed up $5.5m in cap space that was going to be sitting in the press box to re-sign players.

Calgary was lucky to be able to wait on Kuzmenko, he was a good buy low target. Additionally they are able to give Brzucstewicz as much time as he wants, which Vancouver couldn't.

It's a mostly win-win deal, Vancouver won't sorely miss anything they gave up, they get cap space, they got to improve the roster.

It's definitely Calgary favoured right now, but to act like this deal crippled the Canucks going forward is just not true. Half the pieces were cap dumps and prospects the team wasn't going to sign anyways. A late 1st a cap dump, and a good prospect for a top 6 defensive RHC is pretty standard.

 

[DFF]

The Canucks got the best C on the market and the Canucks didn't value any of the pieces they gave up that highly, that's why they made this deal instead of moving Hoglander for Guentzel, and they freed up $5.5m in cap space that was going to be sitting in the press box to re-sign players.

Calgary was lucky to be able to wait on Kuzmenko, he was a good buy low target. Additionally they are able to give Brzucstewicz as much time as he wants, which Vancouver couldn't.

It's a mostly win-win deal, Vancouver won't sorely miss anything they gave up, they get cap space, they got to improve the roster.

It's definitely Calgary favoured right now, but to act like this deal crippled the Canucks going forward is just not true. Half the pieces were cap dumps and prospects the team wasn't going to sign anyways. A late 1st a cap dump, and a good prospect for a top 6 defensive RHC is pretty standard.

Nobody said it crippled them
Best C on the market means shit if that C doesn’t contribute

Again the whole idea of getting him was to succeed in the playoffs. If they don’t then they traded for the wrong guy. That assets could have been used on something more useful

 

[Rowlet]

Nobody said it crippled them
Best C on the market means shit if that C doesn’t contribute

Again the whole idea of getting him was to succeed in the playoffs. If they don’t then they traded for the wrong guy. That assets could have been used on something more useful

You didn't, but the person who necro'd this thread said he logged in for the first time in two years because they couldn't believe how much the Canucks gave up.

Lindholm has been injured and missed a month, he should be back in the next few games, and yes obviously the goal is to succeed in the playoffs, but it's no more of a lost trade than any other team who bought rentals and then didn't win the cup.

If the team was interested in anyone else, they would have made that trade too, the only other players they were seriously rumoured to be in on were Tanev and Guentzel, but the Penguins wanted Hoglander and the Flames preferred the Dallas prospect to a higher pick, and the Canucks wouldn't have moved their first for Tanev, so not much else was available that the team would have been seriously in on.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Nobody said it crippled them
Best C on the market means shit if that C doesn’t contribute

Again the whole idea of getting him was to succeed in the playoffs. If they don’t then they traded for the wrong guy. That assets could have been used on something more useful

This literally happens to half a dozen teams or more every season. The Canucks’ pro scouting had a rare miss on Lindholm thinking he’d be a good fit on Pettersson’s wing. Hopefully he returns and can help solidify the 3rd line for the playoff run.

 

[gianni]

Vancouver hopes Lindholm will have a good playoff

That’s the only way they can justify giving up all that for him

It’s hilarious people trying to justify now

They can also justify it by what they do w/ that 5.5m in extra cap space this summer.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Wow, this trade has backfired for the Nucks. What happened to Elias. I admit, i don't watch many Nucks games.

 

[Rowlet]

Wow, this trade has backfired for the Nucks. What happened to Elias. I admit, i don't watch many Nucks games.

Injured for over a month, but he should be back in the next game.

 

[lawrence]

Vancouver hopes Lindholm will have a good playoff

That’s the only way they can justify giving up all that for him

It’s hilarious people trying to justify now

Of course we want him to be good in the playoffs. What’s wrong with you ? We want all our guys to do well in the playoffs.

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

2 more points for #96 in red tonight.

10 in his last six games, 19 in 24 as a Flame.