Confirmed Trade: [VAN/CGY] Elias Lindholm for Andrei Kuzmenko, Hunter Brzustewicz, Joni Jurmo, 2024 1st, cond. 2024 4th

[Regal]

But they were both in the last year of their respective deals right?

Garland isn't. Don't know about the other guy, but don't think he is either. So that comparison you're making isn't apples to apples. The distinction of term beyond a rental is pretty substantial.

Both would have two years left. Two years instead of one isn’t that substantial though, because teams still have a good idea of their situation that far in advance. And neither would be a pure dump.

I doubt they would move Garland though. He’s been a huge part of the team this year.

 

[Three On Zero]

Next day. Still don’t love the trade but don’t hate it either

 

[Bond]

kuz gonna light it up and flames start winning just so we get CGY vs Van 1st round lol

Markstrom is going to ask for a trade once Hanifin and Tanev are gone. I think the Flames fall into a bottom 5 finish

 

[PuckFather]

This is a good hockey trade and a win-win for both sides. You can't basically get a Lindholm type of player and also offloading 5.5 m cap hit next year without paying a premium. I say fans of both teams must be excited about this trade.

 

[missionAvs]

Love this deal for the Nucks. They're really going for it and they should. As an Avs fan, I'm not a happy camper.

 

[BringBackTheV]

Kuzmenko scored 74 for a even more hapless Canucks last year

Lindholm got all the ice time and scoring opportunities, 64 is pathetic

Again if someone else carry the line, Lindholm can contribute.

Kuz was great playing losing pond hockey. Lots of skill, great guy, not interested in forechecking or backchecking. Lindholm is a solid right handed face off guy who excels playing with other good players. He will be playing with Pettersson, he will be just fine.


Kuzmenko wouldn't have seen the ice with Sutter coaching. You're stuck comparing apples to tires.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Lindy is gonna kill it in Van. Dudes got some heart, all the best to him.

Solid haul for Conroy, was getting a little weary about these upcoming trades, this gives me a little more confidence.

Likely someone early already mentioned, the combo of Pettersson and Lindholm together is VERY HIGH. Both can score 40 goals, Pettersson is a better passer, both have solid complete 200 ft games. Teams will have a tough time scoring against this line 5 on 5.
Also the potential of playing this pair together on the PK is another asset that Tocchett can utilize.

Could be a young Datsyuk and Zetterberg in the making.

 

[Mike Jones]

Date on the article is January 31, and last updated around 2:00 PM on the 31st.

Amusing that it was mere hours before the trade.

I didn't know printed newspapers were still a thing. Didn't the Herald get rid of their major printing facilities?

The print edition is on its way out (They keep pressuring us old timers by things like reduced service, increased prices, etc) as they don't even have staff around late in the day.

 

[sxvnert]

Surprised Kuzmenko did the Flames a solid. Must have been guaranteed top minutes for the rest of the season.

 

[BCNate]

But they were both in the last year of their respective deals right?

Garland isn't. Don't know about the other guy, but don't think he is either. So that comparison you're making isn't apples to apples. The distinction of term beyond a rental is pretty substantial.

Garland is a far better player than either of those guys, he has been excellent for us this year. He would not be a cap dump, he would return assets with 2 years left.

Mikheyev would be tougher to move for sure with 2 years left, but again is a far better player than either Pearson or Beau. May need a sweetener or a bit of retention, but if they need to move him they will be able to.

Allvin dumped nearly 8 mil of dead weight during this season, all I'm saying is that the Canucks have options to move salary out if needed.

 

[Regal]

Weird how Kuzmenko had Calgary on his no trade clause but had Edmonton as one of the finalist to sign him when he was a free agent.

Maybe he was stringing Edmonton all along and never wanted to sign with them in the first place and immidiately put them on his no trade claause as well as soon as he signed with Vancouver.

Edmonton have McDavid and Draisaitl and have been a top team for a couple years. That’s a big incentive even if you ideally wouldn’t want to be in Alberta

 

[HolyGhost]

Next day. Still don’t love the trade but don’t hate it either

Vancouver wins the deal. They move a contract that was going bad fast and magic beans for a guy when motivated can be real good and with players the nucks have? Could be a game changer

 

[Three On Zero]

Vancouver wins the deal. They move a contract that was going bad fast and magic beans for a guy when motivated can be real good and with players the nucks have? Could be a game changer

Kuzmenko was far from a contract going bad
1st and Brz are great assets

That could be a haul if Lindholm still struggles

 

[Rowlet]

Vancouver wins the deal. They move a contract that was going bad fast and magic beans for a guy when motivated can be real good and with players the nucks have? Could be a game changer

Basically how I see it too, the Canucks got one forward for quantity over quality who fills all their offensive holes, though I think higher of Kuzmenko, the Canucks get precious cap room next season

Versatile top 6 fwd who can play W or C, RS player, elite PKer, saves cap room this year and next

 

[bossram]

I think if Lindholm is a fit, they will 100% sign him. Not worried about the cap, Mikheyev will get moved for sure, and possibly Garland as well.

That projected cap sheet outlined is not good. And locking in Lindholm removes flexibility from the far more important Petey, Hronek, and upcoming Demko and Hughes contracts. The cap hits on Hronek and Petey there are too low as well.

Sure, they can move Mikheyev (probably as a pure cap dump). But they'll then be looking to significantly improve their forward depth in-season. Moving Garland would completely blunt the efficacy of whatever third line they put together.

I think it's a good rental trade. It will be a bad extension. Lindholm's contract ask from CGY was crazy. Even if he wants less here, it's still too much for a guy who will be 30 a month into next season, is already showing clear signs of decline, and is overrated to begin with.

Likely someone early already mentioned, the combo of Pettersson and Lindholm together is VERY HIGH. Both can score 40 goals, Pettersson is a better passer, both have solid complete 200 ft games. Teams will have a tough time scoring against this line 5 on 5.
Also the potential of playing this pair together on the PK is another asset that Tocchett can utilize.

Could be a young Datsyuk and Zetterberg in the making.

Lindholm will be 30 one month into next season. He's not young at all.

 

[HolyGhost]

Kuzmenko was far from a contract going bad
1st and Brz are great assets

That could be a haul if Lindholm still struggles

5.5 for 8 goals so far?

 

[CpatainCanuck]

That projected cap sheet outlined is not good. And locking in Lindholm removes flexibility from the far more important Petey, Hronek, and upcoming Demko and Hughes contracts. The cap hits on Hronek and Petey there are too low as well.

Sure, they can move Mikheyev (probably as a pure cap dump). But they'll then be looking to significantly improve their forward depth in-season. Moving Garland would completely blunt the efficacy of whatever third line they put together.

I think it's a good rental trade. It will be a bad extension. Lindholm's contract ask from CGY was crazy. Even if he wants less here, it's still too much for a guy who will be 30 a month into next season, is already showing clear signs of decline, and is overrated to begin with.


Lindholm will be 30 one month into next season. He's not young at all.

Is it fair to say he's a Big Boi in his absolute prime?

 

[bossram]

Is it fair to say he's a Big Boi in his absolute prime?

Huh?

 

[Bond]

5.5 for 8 goals so far?

Have you looked at Lindholm's stat line? He obviously does a lot more than Kuzmenko but he has struggled for a while now and will cost 8+ next year. I think it is a good trade for both teams. Vancouver didn't overpay and the Flames did as good as expected with how Lindholm was playing.

 

[Three On Zero]

5.5 for 8 goals so far?

He’s been relegated to a lower position on the team due his lack of defensive play. He hasn’t had the same opportunities as he did last season.

 

[thenextone]

Why is anyone worried about Lindholm's stat line? He is not being brought in to score 40 goals. If they wanted someone to cherry pick offense they would have kept Kuzy or even re-signed Horvat. They traded for Lindholm to get a Selke caliber 2C they haven't had since Ryan Kesler. Now they have a reliable center with defensive prowess for the 2nd and 3rd lines when inevitably Pius Suter and Teddy Bleuger get outmatched in the playoffs. They also have a primary option for the PK and someone who is better than average on face-offs in all zones.

If Lidholm scores at PPG the rest of the way, that would be a bonus (and he probably will with his new line mates). But I think that is entirely secondary to the real reason he is with Vancouver.

 

[Raistlin]

Depends on his performance in the playoffs. The option to resign him is welcome. And once more give EP another reason to sign.

 

[God]

Edmonton have McDavid and Draisaitl and have been a top team for a couple years. That’s a big incentive even if you ideally wouldn’t want to be in Alberta

Yeah, plus a lot of NTC lists are less about the city and more about team fit/trade likelihood. i.e. "yeah i can see this team trading for me so I'll put them on the list to have a bit of control in case there are two offers to the team"

 

[CpatainCanuck]

Huh?

You mentioned Lindholm is not young. But 29 is not old either. So hopefully in the Canucks' dep lineup he can return to doing what he does best.

 

[Johnsie19]

Not so sure about that. Beauvillier=Kuzmenko. The 1st for Vancouver was better. HB>AR. Add in the 3rd or 4th? I think it's better for Lindholm.

The 1st in the Horvat trade was 12th at the time. In a really deep draft.
The 1st in this trade is 32nd. In a weak draft.

The difference there alone is massive. There are charts you can look at that give the approx value of each pick and it drops steeply as you go down.

But ya
Kuz = Beauv
Brzu = Raty (both around high 2nd value at the time)
12th 2023 >>> 32nd 2024 + 4th (324 to 136 which doesn't even factor the strength of the drafts)
Jurmo was just shedding a salary that we didn't want which allows us to sign a College UFA if we want

Next day. Still don’t love the trade but don’t hate it either

From Calgary POV you mean?

This is a good hockey trade and a win-win for both sides. You can't basically get a Lindholm type of player and also offloading 5.5 m cap hit next year without paying a premium. I say fans of both teams must be excited about this trade.

A premium was not paid I don't believe. In the end I think the value is fair for the player Lindholm has been for the last 18 months. But Van gave up very little.