That’s a great haul by CAL. Kuzmenko, despite not being a fit for toccket, is Uber talented. You rarely get a player like that and a first for a rental.
Confirmed Trade: [VAN/CGY] Elias Lindholm for Andrei Kuzmenko, Hunter Brzustewicz, Joni Jurmo, 2024 1st, cond. 2024 4th
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Buresflyingelbow
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Canucks now will have $40.6 million in Cap space after this move with Petey, Hronek and Lindholm being the priorities. Bluegar, Joshua, Zadorov are the 3 other guys you could prioritize and Lafferty you could throw in there as well.
Hoglander, Podkolzin, Raty along with Lekkerimaki and Willander should fill out some of the roster the next 1-3 years on ELC contracts. Letting Myers, Cole, DeSmith walk and potentially moving Garland is well worth keeping the higher end players of the core together and build around them.
Canucks now have the 3 Centre depth along with a #1/2 RHD since they made that deal with NYI and decided to move Horvat.
Hoglander, Podkolzin, Raty along with Lekkerimaki and Willander should fill out some of the roster the next 1-3 years on ELC contracts. Letting Myers, Cole, DeSmith walk and potentially moving Garland is well worth keeping the higher end players of the core together and build around them.
Canucks now have the 3 Centre depth along with a #1/2 RHD since they made that deal with NYI and decided to move Horvat.
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The best part of this for the Flames is that they are actually not tripling down on their decision to not rebuild and force themselves into purgatory indefinitely.
Sell hard and actually try to get a few top 3 picks for the first time in franchise history. Come back strong in a handful of years and hopefully Huberdeau will hit LTIRetirement for the tail end of that deal and they can compete with some new young talent on their roster.
She's over for the foreseeable future in Calgary but that's not the worst thing. Let's recruit a few tank commanders!
Sell hard and actually try to get a few top 3 picks for the first time in franchise history. Come back strong in a handful of years and hopefully Huberdeau will hit LTIRetirement for the tail end of that deal and they can compete with some new young talent on their roster.
She's over for the foreseeable future in Calgary but that's not the worst thing. Let's recruit a few tank commanders!
Yeah that’s incredible center depth. Don’t see any other team with a deeper center group than that.
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I'm specifically talking about the calgary fans on here that keep saying retool after trading away lindholm and getting kuzmenko. That is a rebuild move.
Now, calgary ownership would be smart to just do full rebuild after last year, but when you have an owner that is not willing to let go, it is what it is. Ken holland was the same in the last 2 years prior to 2015/16 season. But we couldn't do that to zetterberg, so they kept tryng.
We say retool because we've been around long enough to know this team will only sell off it's impending UFAs. If they trade Andersson, Weegar, Backlund or Coleman then I'll believe it's a rebuild.
They didn't "have" a 2C for the first two-thirds of this season and appear to be just fine. IMO they don't have the cap flexibility to justify this expense, and have much more important uses to put that cap space to in the coming couple of seasons. My evaluation of Lindholm is also that he's very overrated, he's declining, and needs to be put next to high-level players to get the production you want from him. I like the fit for this playoffs, and then they can part ways.
Again, I think the trade package was market value, but not exorbitant. We may or may not think of Kuz as a cap dump, but his trade value was approaching it. I don't think you get much for him back alone, maybe a 3rd (probably worse). The trade is pretty much a late late 1st, a bunch of low value assets, and Hunter B (a good but not elite prospect). This shakes out to be roughly the usual price for the top rental at every deadline.
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It has value because historically, the single most important factor in predicting the success of a prospect is production relative to their peers
It’s not flawless but it’s a good tool
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Once tkachuk and gaudreau left, that should have been the signal. Then you signed huberdeau which at the time was probably fine because he wasn't bad, but then he played his worst season ever lol. That should have been the second sign. The third sign is when lindholm said he wasn't sure about resigning, then the other players like zadorov and hanifin saying the same. You can't hear all of this and think, it's okay, everything is fine lol.
I don't remember if markstrom said the same as the others but I wouldn't doubt it at this point.
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It will be interesting to see if Tocchett stacks his top line and plays Lindholm with Pettersson (I think he at least tries this to see if they gel). Or if he goes the Vegas route and maximizing strength down the middle.
Having a strong #3C come playoff time pays dividends. He may use Lindholm as a shutdown center in the playoffs like Vegas did with Karlsson. If he does Lindholm takes weight off the shoulders of Pettersson and Miller.
LesCanadiens
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And a 4th and a decent prospect. Brzustewicz is no chump-change. All-in-all, considering Llindholm has sucked this year, CGY wins this trade today. And maybe the second best winner is Montreal as it takes Lindholm off the market and sets a precedent for value for Monahan. Maybe the order of top winners changes if Lindholm is rejuvenated playing alongside fellow Swede, Pettersson. Which is a good possibility. But bottom line, CGY did great today and that's all any CGY fan could ever wish for.
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None of those thing have to happen for it to be a win for Calgary. If those three pieces all "hit" as you mentioned then it becomes an undeniably great trade for Calgary.
The win comes from the fact that we finally have a GM in place whom can read the writing on the wall, and sticks to his word. You can't guarantee any future pieces will hit, but at the very least Conroy got good to great value for a rental whom had no interest in being here anymore. When was the last time the Flames made an equivalent trade, let alone within five points of a playoff spot with 30 games remaining?
It's a win-win trade for both sides considering the state each respective team is in at the moment. I am not sold on Vancouver being a true contender or threat, but atleast the GM is showing trust in his group and went out and got the best player available and didn't give up a top two prospect in their pool.
I question really what the vision Allvin has if they re-sign Lindholm at his reported contract demands.
He's a worse player than Horvat and they didn't want to pay Horvat. Doesn't make sense to do it with Lindholm. They also have far more important needs to allocate the cap space toward (Petey, Hronek, Demko, and eventually Hughes).
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Vancouver pays through the nose. They must really think they have a legit Cup chance.
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Patrik Alvin deserves a round of applause for targeting the player, negotiating, and constructing this deal from start to finish all on his own.
If you are having a great season so far, which Vancouver, is, I'm fine with them being aggressive. I mean, their UFA signings in Bleuger, Suter, Cole, trades for Lafferty, DeSmith, and prior signings of Joshua are paying off huge for them. But, with all but Suter being a UFA, unlikely to hit on so many signings, so taking a swing now is justified. Vancouver, due to all of the Jim Benning mistakes, doesn't have a deep prospect pool. But, have the high end guys that rebuilding teams covet in Petey, Hughes, Demko, Miller. So, the window probably isn't as long as it was for TB.
Have a shot, take it.
This was something the Canucks from 2009-2012 needed to do when they were hold 1st rounders from 23 onwards but held onto all of them through the TDL.
Calgary was 5 points out of the WC spot with a couple of teams ahead of them still. 15 games left before TDL, so this makes sense for them to tap out and ignore that they have Kadri/Hubs under contract for another 5/7 years. Make the move with Tanev and Hanifin and start the actual rebuild. See if Markstrom will be willing to leave as well.
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About as good as any team can ask for. They have all the pieces imo. But at the end of the day the playoffs are a crapshoot.
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Assuming Kuzmenko's value is minimal, this is about what you pay for a good top-6 UFA. Both teams are getting what they want here.
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Not going through 57 pages, but really nice return for the Flames on Lindholm. Their fans should be very happy.
I like this from both sides, and after thinking about it, I think re-signing Lindholm could be a good idea.
With the ages of their players, their window to win is going to be the next 5-7 years so signing Lindholm, who likely has 3-5 years before declining, would give them a 1 or 2 C for the entire period. If he is asking $9m you don't touch it, but if lower he'd be worth it for the next few years.
Or they'll just use him as a rental and he signs in Colorado or Vegas and wins a cup probably.
With the ages of their players, their window to win is going to be the next 5-7 years so signing Lindholm, who likely has 3-5 years before declining, would give them a 1 or 2 C for the entire period. If he is asking $9m you don't touch it, but if lower he'd be worth it for the next few years.
Or they'll just use him as a rental and he signs in Colorado or Vegas and wins a cup probably.
| Mikheyev | 4.75 | Pettersson | 12 | Lindholm | 7.5 |
| Boeser | 6.65 | Miller | 8 | Hoglander | 1.1 |
| Garland | 4.95 | Suter | 1.6 | Podkolzin | 1 |
| Aman | 0.88 | ||||
| Hughes | 7.85 | Hronek | 7.5 | ||
| Soucy | 3.25 | ||||
| Zadorov | 4.5 | ||||
| Demko | 5 | ||||
| Silovs | 0.79 | ||||
| Ferland LTIR | 0 | ||||
| Poolman LTIR | 0 | ||||
| OEL Buyout | 2.35 | ||||
| Estimated Salary Cap | 87.5 | Mil | |||
| Total Cap | 79.662 | Mil | |||
| Cap Space | 7.838 | Mil |
This is a path to retaining Lindholm at 7.5m, signing Pettersson at 12m, Hronek at 7.5m, and Zadorov at 4.5m. We would essentially have 7.8m left to sign a Top 4D, a bottom pairing D, two bottom pairing forwards, and a depth player. It's tight, but doable, if we wanted to go that route.
We could also not re-sign Zadorov, or try to move out Garland or Mikheyev, for some breathing room.
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