Salary Cap: Value of nylanders next contract

[Dekes For Days]

his agent came out and said he had two

Marner himself has confirmed it, not just his agent.

Marner getting much more than any comparable

He didn't. He got a contract consistent with the history of post-ELC contracts.

 

[Mess]

Leafs scoring Leaders 2022-23

TRIVIA QUESTION:

3 of these players make $11 mil per and one makes $7 mil.. There is a difference of $4 mil per season for one of these Core 4 forwards.

Can you name the pissed off Leaf player from this list, who got screwed in the last negotiation, and likely carrying that forward into his next contract talks?

People think Willy next contract will be a breeze, but he had to hold out to get $7 mil when everyone that went after him got $11 mil.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Not sure if you got a chance to read the part of my message that I bolded.

Yes, I did. I'm glad you could acknowledge the obvious bare minimum. It doesn't change your misrepresentation of their situations.

Why can't the Leafs do that

The Leafs have one of the best PP units in the league, but they do not have the hands down best PP player the league has seen in decades.

 

[hotpaws]

Marner himself has confirmed it, not just his agent.

He didn't. He got a contract consistent with the history of post-ELC contracts.

we've done this before , you've never named one comparable to what he signed for

and what did he confirm exactly ? he never said how much or for how long and no team confirmed they offered him an o/s so this could just be more bs from an agent and his client trying to spin squeezing every cent and then some from a weak GM

 

[Dekes For Days]

Can you name the pissed off Leaf player from this list, who got screwed in the last negotiation, and likely carrying that forward into his next contract talks?

Nobody is "pissed off", and nobody "got screwed in the last negotiation". They signed for what they were and how they projected at the time.

 

[Americanadian]

The Leafs have one of the best PP units in the league, but they do not have the hands down best PP player the league has seen in decades.

I can buy that.

Yes, I did. I'm glad you could acknowledge the obvious bare minimum. It doesn't change your misrepresentation of their situations.

You also brought PP into the discussion when Hyman has 1 more PP point than Nylander. The point of me bringing it up is that Nylander's point totals aren't as gaudy as they are being represented. He's tied for 24th in points and 31st in P/GP.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Can you name the pissed off Leaf player from this list, who got screwed in the last negotiation, and likely carrying that forward into his next contract talks?

How did he get screwed in his last negotiation exactly?

What were his comparables at the time to suggest he got screwed, and what did you think of the contract when he signed it?

 

[Dekes For Days]

we've done this before , you've never named one comparable to what he signed for

We have done this before. Every time, I provide extensive proof showing that Marner was paid appropriately relative to the history of post-ELC contracts, and have done countless comparisons and detailed breakdowns. And every time, your response is to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore it.

Marner received the 10th highest value post-ELC contract in the cap era. He was, at worst, the 6th best player through his pre-signing period at time of signing.

and what did he confirm exactly ?

That he received offer sheets.

 

[ACC1224]

Leafs scoring Leaders 2022-23

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TRIVIA QUESTION:

3 of these players make $11 mil per and one makes $7 mil.. There is a difference of $4 mil per season for one of these Core 4 forwards.

Can you name the pissed off Leaf player from this list, who got screwed in the last negotiation, and likely carrying that forward into his next contract talks?

People think Willy next contract will be a breeze, but he had to hold out to get $7 mil when everyone that went after him got $11 mil.

He'll certainly look to close the gap with his internal comparables but there is no reason to think he's 'pissed off'.
Dubas gave him everything he wanted the first time, he would be delighted with that.

If he is upset, he'll walk to UFA.

 

[hotpaws]

We have done this before. Every time, I provide extensive proof showing that Marner was paid appropriately relative to the history of post-ELC contracts, and have done countless comparisons and detailed breakdowns. And every time, your response is to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore it.

Marner received the 10th highest value post-ELC contract in the cap era. He was, at worst, the 6th best player through his pre-signing period at time of signing.

That he received offer sheets.

why post sentences saying you provided proof previously when you can post a name much quicker

name a comp for Marner or stop saying their were comps for his contract

 

[Dekes For Days]

You also brought PP into the discussion when Hyman has 1 more PP point than Nylander.

I only mentioned PP because you were misrepresenting the ES and PP situations that each player had.

The point of me bringing it up is that Nylander's point totals aren't as gaudy as they are being represented.

Who's representing them as "gaudy"? I think you could have made your point better without pointing to Hyman and incorrectly implying that Nylander had more advantageous circumstances.

 

[Americanadian]

Who's representing them as "gaudy"?

Anyone saying that Nylander should get 10M+ based on his point totals.

 

[Dekes For Days]

why post sentences saying you provided proof previously when you can post a name much quicker
name a comp for Marner or stop saying their were comps for his contract

It's important to clear up your misrepresentations of past discussions.
There isn't an exact replica of Marner in the cap era, but as I've shown countless times, his contract falls appropriately in between the Malkin/Matthews tier and the Rantanen/Kane tier. He was also the best player among those who do fall in his contract range (Heatley, Vanek, Eichel, etc.), and his pre-signing period ranks better relative to all players that signed a post-ELC contract in the cap era than where his contract ranks.

Anyone saying that Nylander should get 10M+ based on his point totals.

That's really just people trying to fear-monger.

 

[hotpaws]

It's important to clear up your misrepresentations of past discussions.
There isn't an exact replica of Marner in the cap era, but as I've shown countless times, his contract falls appropriately in between the Malkin/Matthews tier and the Rantanen/Kane tier, he was the best player among those who do fall in his range (Heatley, Vanek, Eichel, etc.), and his pre-signing period ranks better relative to all players that signed a post-ELC contract in the cap era than where his contract ranks.

since when has he been above Kane and Ranta ?

and it's obvious there wasn't a comp and at least you finally admitted it

 

[Dekes For Days]

since when has he been above Kane and Ranta ?

Since always. Marner's contract fits appropriately with the history of post-ELC contracts.

 

[hotpaws]

Since always. Marner's contract fits appropriately with the history of post-ELC contracts.

your the only person who believes this

anyway i've made you enough cash and i'm bored with your so schtick so i'll be leaving now

 

[Mess]

Lets Flash back to the last Nylander talks.

Rumor: William Nylander has rejected a massive contract offer from the Maple Leafs.​

Nylander rejects a major offer from Toronto.​

The contract battle between the Toronto Maple Leafs and restricted free agent forward William Nylander has seemingly reached a fever pitch over the week end and there may be a very good reason behind the sudden shift.

On Saturday night Sportsnet National Hockey League insider Elliotte Friedman revealed during the "Headlines" segment on Hockey Night in Canada that the Toronto Maple Leafs and general manager Kyle Dubas were, for the first time since this contract dispute began, seriously contemplating trade offers from rival NHL teams when it comes to William Nylander.

“They’re at a point where they’re beginning to test the market,” Elliotte Friedman said as per Sportsnet. “Word is that they have asked teams to inform them who teams or interested parties would not be willing to move and also to begin to preparing formal offers for the unsigned Toronto winger.”

The sudden shift in philosophy from Kyle Dubas and the rest of the Toronto Maple Leafs' front office is an indication that they now truly have some doubts about their ability to get Nylander signed to a number that they are comfortable with. Michael Nylander, William's father, has reportedly been a major impediment to getting this deal done and there has been rampant speculation that it is Michael who has insisted that his son not budge an inch from his initial demands. Those demands are believed to be upwards of $8 million per season on a new deal for William Nylander, and if rumors regarding a contract offer made this week by the Maple Leafs are true, the rumors regarding Michael may very well be true as well.

.......

What's particularly interesting is that Johnston does not seem to be ruling out the possibility that the Maple Leafs could simply choose to hold on to his right beyond Dec 1st and force Nylander to miss an entire season of his professional career due to the fact that they have full control of those rights until the young Swede will turn 27. Now that may not sounds too bad until you realize that Nylander is currently only 22 years of age which means that the Leafs could effectively prevent him from playing in the NHL for the next 5 years, something they clearly don't want to do but it appears that paying him $8 million or more per season is also something they don't want to do.

This one may be on the verge of getting very ugly.

Full Story: Rumor: William Nylander has rejected a massive contract offer from the Maple Leafs.

 

[Dekes For Days]

your the only person who believes this

Not true, though there are certainly a lot of people out there who believe incorrect things for no reason, even when the undeniable and extensively proven truth is staring them in the face.

 

[notdoneyet]

Leafs scoring Leaders 2022-23

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TRIVIA QUESTION:

3 of these players make $11 mil per and one makes $7 mil.. There is a difference of $4 mil per season for one of these Core 4 forwards.

Can you name the pissed off Leaf player from this list, who got screwed in the last negotiation, and likely carrying that forward into his next contract talks?

People think Willy next contract will be a breeze, but he had to hold out to get $7 mil when everyone that went after him got $11 mil.

Well at that time he wasnt worth more than 7. He was a 60 point player. He didnt get screwed he sat out for 2 months and got all the money back he lost. So absolutely not did he get screwed.

 

[ACC1224]

Well at that time he wasnt worth more than 7. He was a 60 point player. He didnt get screwed he sat out for 2 months and got all the money back he lost. So absolutely not did he get screwed.

Nope, he did not.
This is where Dubas first started earning his reputation as the Agents favourite GM.

 

[Leaf Lander]

Trade Nylander he isa,soft player nad a waste of cap room

That said 11 mil 8 yrs

 

[ITM]

Lets Flash back to the last Nylander talks.

Rumor: William Nylander has rejected a massive contract offer from the Maple Leafs.​

Nylander rejects a major offer from Toronto.​

The contract battle between the Toronto Maple Leafs and restricted free agent forward William Nylander has seemingly reached a fever pitch over the week end and there may be a very good reason behind the sudden shift.

On Saturday night Sportsnet National Hockey League insider Elliotte Friedman revealed during the "Headlines" segment on Hockey Night in Canada that the Toronto Maple Leafs and general manager Kyle Dubas were, for the first time since this contract dispute began, seriously contemplating trade offers from rival NHL teams when it comes to William Nylander.

“They’re at a point where they’re beginning to test the market,” Elliotte Friedman said as per Sportsnet. “Word is that they have asked teams to inform them who teams or interested parties would not be willing to move and also to begin to preparing formal offers for the unsigned Toronto winger.”

The sudden shift in philosophy from Kyle Dubas and the rest of the Toronto Maple Leafs' front office is an indication that they now truly have some doubts about their ability to get Nylander signed to a number that they are comfortable with. Michael Nylander, William's father, has reportedly been a major impediment to getting this deal done and there has been rampant speculation that it is Michael who has insisted that his son not budge an inch from his initial demands. Those demands are believed to be upwards of $8 million per season on a new deal for William Nylander, and if rumors regarding a contract offer made this week by the Maple Leafs are true, the rumors regarding Michael may very well be true as well.

.......

What's particularly interesting is that Johnston does not seem to be ruling out the possibility that the Maple Leafs could simply choose to hold on to his right beyond Dec 1st and force Nylander to miss an entire season of his professional career due to the fact that they have full control of those rights until the young Swede will turn 27. Now that may not sounds too bad until you realize that Nylander is currently only 22 years of age which means that the Leafs could effectively prevent him from playing in the NHL for the next 5 years, something they clearly don't want to do but it appears that paying him $8 million or more per season is also something they don't want to do.

This one may be on the verge of getting very ugly.

Full Story: Rumor: William Nylander has rejected a massive contract offer from the Maple Leafs.

The two words that will provide greater peace and certainty about the truthfulness of any published article when read repeatedly are: Rumor and may.

Not hills we want to die on.

 

[ITM]

Important to remember that Nylander’s contract coincides with Matthews a year before Marner’s.

The difference between Marner and Nylander is negligible, so getting Nylander right should set Marner’s bar.

It will be telling where Nylander lands (co tract- wise) and hopefully a place that sets a Boston/Tampa tone contractually.

That’s the right play isn’t it? It’s obvious isn’t it? Isn’t it?

 

[ACC1224]

Important to remember that Nylander’s contract coincides with Matthews a year before Marner’s.

The difference between Marner and Nylander is negligible, so getting Nylander right should set Marner’s bar.

It will be telling where Nylander lands (co tract- wise) and hopefully a place that sets a Boston/Tampa tone contractually.

That’s the right play isn’t it? It’s obvious isn’t it? Isn’t it?

Couldn't Matthews sign before both Nylander and Marner?

 

[Mess]

6 years ago Nylander wanted $8 mil or more according to insiders reports. In today's future present value that would be much more even with a flat cap, that is about to move again.

Now that he produces similar to his $11 mil teammates the gap between him and his own teammates will be a lot closer than $4 mil difference per year. IMO