Speculation: Value of Bedard...for Kings ransom
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I love the overpayment but that's too much to the point where the GM will need to hide in Siberia.
Dahleen, Cozins, Tuch + UPL?? is an instant rebuild for us. With Ghally going the other way to offset Cozins, otherwise we're stuck for future mid term resigning.
That still leaves Sabres with a superstar center and enough around him to build/develop.
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Zegras, McTavish, Drysdale and picks...only because I think McTavish is going to pot 50 sooner then later.
You're missing a core piece we're missing too and that is a top puck moving defenseman. All the firepower up front doesn't mean much without at least one top puck moving defenseman. Preferably two. Even if we get and keep Bedard, he's not going to go puck fishing in our own end without getting hammered. The back end can add another deadly dimension to a high talent front end.
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What you suggest would actually hurt more. Essentially our new leadership group out the door.
On paper I'm not sure you add to Dahlin in a trade for Bedard.
There is no trade that makes sense for the Habs, the other team and the cap.
Getting a bunch of forwards doesn't work. The Habs need are a contender-level goalie, a #1D and a 1st line forward.
Anything else and we are better off keeping Bedard and his ELC and trade other assets or sign an UFA for the #1G and D we need.
Getting a bunch of forwards doesn't work. The Habs need are a contender-level goalie, a #1D and a 1st line forward.
Anything else and we are better off keeping Bedard and his ELC and trade other assets or sign an UFA for the #1G and D we need.
The overrating in this thread is ridiculous. We may as well allow Bedard to skip the league and just induct him into the HHOF now.
Just because a players value is hard to gauge doesn’t mean that you throw everyone and the kitchen sink to get him.
Someone offered McDavid. Someone offered almost all of the good players on Buffalo. Tell me how Bedard, someone who hasn’t played a game yet, is worth the core of a franchise and more.
I understand he’s amazing, but the packages being proposed here don’t even consider the ramifications of acquiring Bedard. You gut the roster and prospects and who is Bedard going to play with?
Just because a players value is hard to gauge doesn’t mean that you throw everyone and the kitchen sink to get him.
Someone offered McDavid. Someone offered almost all of the good players on Buffalo. Tell me how Bedard, someone who hasn’t played a game yet, is worth the core of a franchise and more.
I understand he’s amazing, but the packages being proposed here don’t even consider the ramifications of acquiring Bedard. You gut the roster and prospects and who is Bedard going to play with?
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Cost control.
If hypothetically Edmonton could trade McDavid straight up for Bedard, they get 3 years of an ELC contract. If Bedard can be 100 point+ gamebreaker, that $12.5m in cap space can go a long way to adding to an already stacked roster.
Edmonton would almost certainly win a cup. Despite the fact they're losing the better player. It's not about production, it's about production over cap allocation.
It's also about risk management. You have the best player in the world. You know you have the best player in the world. Why would you take the risk of trading him for someone who is projected to be a tier below him.
You also don't know how Bedard will produce on his ELC. You are assuming that he could replace most of McDavid's production. You would need him to in order to remain competitive, yet you have nothing to base that assumption on. There are no NHL numbers we can refer to.
So, in reality, you're trading a surefire thing for hopes, dreams and cap savings. If Bedard doesn't immediately make an impact, and I'm talking like 100 points per season impact, then you've closed Edmonton's window and opened up the possibility of Drai leaving by the time Bedard gets rolling.
That is too big of a risk.
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I def wouldn't. I would rather have 18 year old Bedard than 26 year old McDavid. Thats an 8 year difference.
...or some combination of players and picks. I'll wait until we know who owns that pick. Gonna be a loooong two weeks. You know you're a Canuck fan when you have May.8 circled on your calendar
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I'm impressed with McTavish and Zegras. Probably the best two under 21 youngsters in a hypothetical trade,
I always favor 2/3 stars to a superstar unless their name is Lafleur, Lemieux, Gretzky etc. That also goes to my philosophy that a team full of great talent that works their butt off is better then a bunch of stars. See Montreal and Toronto a few years ago. There was no comparison in man to man talent level yet....
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Bedard Dach Suz Slaf Cauf
Guhle etc...
Or
Dach Suz Slaf Cauf Zeg Mct
Drysdale Guhle etc...
And the lotto pick in 2024 from Anaheim
The Anaheim gm would be fired on the spot lol
And we have to keep in mind if we draft Bedard, barrring injury we should be at least near a playoff spot
Done deal for me everyday
No team does.
You either don't have enough young talent to do it because you are trying to win now IE Toronto Tampa and Vegas.
OR you have enough young talent to do it because you haven't been competitive for years but you'd have to gut the foundation of your team to do it almost restarting the rebuild, IE Buffalo, Ottawa, possibly Detroit.
Either way teams can't do it
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Another 1st line forward is "likely" this year or next....Dubois
The ideal trade would be an elite defenseman and goalie but those would be harder to do.
Now that is of great concern...not.
Having lost half my hair trying to figure out some of the trade deadline and FA deals, all it takes is one willing partner.
At this point, Bedard's perceived value is immense and if any team not named vancouver doesn't explore the trade market, they are not doing their job.
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No necessarily true.
Ex...buffalo would lose Cozens but get it right back with Bedard and then some. If Power is in the mix, he hasn't made a difference yet.
Anaheim loses Zegras, offset by Bedard and McT hasn't moved the immediate needle.
Van loses Pettersson offset by Bedard. But Hughes is already an impact player.
There is no scenario that a team wont lose short term for a longer term gain, but it may not impact some teams as much in the short term. See Anaheim.
If Montreal wins the draft and Anaheim ends up #2 or #3, I'd trade #1 OA for #2 or #3 + Mintyukov + McTavish. 
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We have enough young left defenseman to fill a bus...but I do like Fantilli and McT.If Montreal wins the draft and Anaheim ends up #2 or #3, I'd trade #1 OA for #2 or #3 + Mintyukov + McTavish.
How's Drysdale? Is he expected to do a full recovery? Just like the Habs, tough to see a promising kid land up losing a season to injury. We lost two from what will be our top 6 for a major part of the season.
Dunno about Drysdale's recovery, and I know Montreal is full of LHDs, but Mintyukov would be my target over Drysdale/Luneau/Zellweger/etc.
He's just better.
But those are the pieces we need. We can trade for all the Pettersson, Cozens and Kuzmenko of the world, we won't win a cup with them.
At least not without other trades/signings for top D and G.
Granted, I haven't read all the posts in the thread, but the many offers I saw didn't move the needle for me.
In a vacuum, some offers are decent, but unless we just turn around and trade the return (or other of our valuable pieces) for the pieces we need, we are not closer to a Cup.
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Bedard gets us one step, Dubois another one, but without a offensive defenseman to get them the puck, it's just steps. We would be a top heavy team winning or losing 7-6 games. See Oilers.
So any hypothetical trade needs to add a Dahlen or Chabot. As for goaltenders they are an odd lot that is unpredictable. I thought that Monty was a talking, walking sieve and yet, he played better then last year. We can definitely could use an Oettinger, but he's not from the bottom dwellers.
Can we contend without a star goaltender? Yes, given a high power offense and very good defense.
I'm of the opinion that we would get to contention and stay there a lot faster IF we get Dubois and trade Bedard for at least a major youngish defenseman and offset top 3 young forward.
Are the Forum Ghosts still with us?
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There is quite a big gap between star goaltender and Montembeault (who hasn't even proven he can be a low level starter). Unless you have team Canada in front of him, no way you can contend with Montembeault.
Goalie is the area we need the most help at the NHL level.
