Speculation: Value of Bedard...for Kings ransom
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Jeune Poulet
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Never understood the concept of "more than anyone would be willing to pay". That's not a thing. Value is relative.
What you need to make a deal in the NHL is to find a trading partner that has a different perception/evaluation in the value of the assets from you and who thinks the change will benefit his team more.
The problem with trading assets like Bedard is that, when the perceived value of the assets gets bigger, the more complicated the deals usually get and the more rammifications they have.
TL;DR: Executives don't want to f*** up high stakes deals and be haunted by them for years, so they rarely make them.
What you need to make a deal in the NHL is to find a trading partner that has a different perception/evaluation in the value of the assets from you and who thinks the change will benefit his team more.
The problem with trading assets like Bedard is that, when the perceived value of the assets gets bigger, the more complicated the deals usually get and the more rammifications they have.
TL;DR: Executives don't want to f*** up high stakes deals and be haunted by them for years, so they rarely make them.
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For the Habs....problem with Pattersson is not his talent, it's his cap hit in two years. It's probably in the 10 million range and that is a hell of a problem IF we have Dubois signed. And of course if we get Dubois, we already stepped up in center.
Hughes is "slightly" better because he has a long term contract and fills a need in the back end.
I can only see this happening by taking back someone like Ghally, which is not a great contract at this point. Would Van do it? Maybe. There is no way they can avoid the reality that he's a home boy and a generational talent.
Pettersson/Hughes for Bedard/Ghally...both sides have to take a long hard look at it. So that's why Chicago is going to win the lottery....
For the Habs....problem with Pattersson is not his talent, it's his cap hit in two years. It's probably in the 10 million range and that is a hell of a problem IF we have Dubois signed. And of course if we get Dubois, we already stepped up in center.
Hughes is "slightly" better because he has a long term contract and fills a need in the back end.
I can only see this happening by taking back someone like Ghally, which is not a great contract at this point. Would Van do it? Maybe. There is no way they can avoid the reality that he's a home boy and a generational talent.
Pettersson/Hughes for Bedard/Ghally...both sides have to take a long hard look at it. So that's why Chicago is going to win the lottery....
Lol no... Vancouver absolutely doesn't even consider that.
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I prefer Elias, personally.Which one?
What a bizarre list. Makar straight up, sure. Seider + 19? Get out of here. Heiskanen? f*** off.
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After Petterson or Hughes, I can't see anyone worth getting up in the morning drafting 11th. If makes sense for Van but none for Habs. Nor is it anywhere near the "kings ransom" for a generational player.
From a Habs perspective, this tread wont happen if it's not enough to make the Habs an instant top team. Or just wait a few years.....
General Fanager
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I dont see any team will to pay the cost or any team lucky enough to get him being willing to deal him....
The it's not going to happen. Pettersson + 1st would already be a lot. Maybe you get like a Boese/Gallagher swap included but certainly no more major pieces. Pettersson is arguably a Top 5 Center in the game right now.
But again, ultimately there's no chance of Montreal trading 1st overall if they get it. 0%.
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The real value in the cap era is in players outperforming their cap hit. It's not simply about getting more good players. Proposals for good roster players on fair contracts wouldn't move the needle at all when you're discussing a potential superstar on an ELC.
A package like Stutzle + Chabot + more would need to include massive retention to really tilt the scales.
A package like Stutzle + Chabot + more would need to include massive retention to really tilt the scales.
If Leafs lose 1st round again; Pick 2 of Nylander, Marner, Matthews, Tavares, Rielly, throw in 1st-4th rorunders as well.
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We are talking of making a team an instant contender, not an instant first round exit queen...
Or some unwanted contracts....
I love Ghally but he would be part of the package going the other way. And/or Hoffman but he's only a one year anchor.
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No it isn't because there's a salary cap now. Let's also not gloss over the 15 million dollars the Nords received which was more important then all the players and draft picks combined.
As for a Bedard trade, any GM who is open to trading a gen talent to any team not in the top four should be fired on the spot.
To trade Bedard, you would have to grab one of the other big three talents on top of minimum the teams next two unprotected first round picks and the teams best top three prospects. If you are trading Bedard, you are leaving the team that gets him with nothing for the next few years while having top five first round picks from that team along with your own.
It's not a bad idea, it's just that you better hit on every single high draft pick on top of yours and luck into Misa in 25.
I don't think GMs have to balls to trade for him or trade him out.
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Hypothetically, let's say Ottawa wanted Bedard. Probably looking at giving up Stutzle, Chabot, and one of Batherson or Sanderson.
Ducks: Zegras, Terry, 1st rounder, Gibson
Edmonton: McDavid retained (He is a FA in three years) and Bouchard. Oilers would have a generational 18 year old on an ELC to go with Draisaitl.
Would cost teams alot.
Ducks: Zegras, Terry, 1st rounder, Gibson
Edmonton: McDavid retained (He is a FA in three years) and Bouchard. Oilers would have a generational 18 year old on an ELC to go with Draisaitl.
Would cost teams alot.
I agree with this, but a drasaitl plus or makar plus could work to, not a huge plus but some nice player with a 1st and 2nd
makar, newhook, 1st and 2nd in whatever upcoming draft year they own
If you do win, how about Ducks?On another Habs forum, It appears that I'm all alone that IF we get Bedard, to trade him for a kings ransom.
My reasoning is that Lindros was also a generational player but it was the Avalanche that won cups and Philly went nowhere fast with Lindros. Also looking at Oilers and they are not dominating despite having the current BEST player in the world AND another top 10 best.
A speculative Kings ransom trade would look like...Stutzle, Chabot and Pinto. I'm NOT saying that the Sens will do it, but that is what it going to look like, if not MORE.
Problem of course is that few teams have that many young players that they can trade away. NJ, Buffalo and Sens are the ones that have enough very good to great players to even make this kind of trade. Teams like the Habs have a LOT of young players but we basically have to cut deep into the team to trade for Bedard.
Another issue is cost. Example are the 3 Sens which combined and full potential can cost 25 million. That's far more then Bedard can get even if he is the highest paid player in the league.
On the other hand, an injured superstar hurts FAR more then 1 star out of 3.
Sooo....
Let's say your team won the lottery, would you trade Bedard?
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BTW, this is what the Lindros trade tree looks like...
You get 4 of these or whoever else you covet:
Zegras/Terry/McTavish
Drysdale/Zellweger/Mintyukov
But the Ducks keep their top3 pick and add the 1st OA.
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I know that Bedard is really good player and all but after reading these posts...
you'd think it was 23-24 season already..
The Draft is over 2 months away, lots of things can happen in 2 months time.
- lets wait how things go before giving up your teams best players/prospects/high draft picks
for a player that is still a junior, his future is still uncertain at this point of time
you'd think it was 23-24 season already..
The Draft is over 2 months away, lots of things can happen in 2 months time.
- lets wait how things go before giving up your teams best players/prospects/high draft picks
for a player that is still a junior, his future is still uncertain at this point of time
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If Dorion did that, he'd better have a one way plane ticket to Siberia in his hand and an armed guard.
Bedard is an amazing player, but that would mean the last 5 years of Ottawa's rebuild would be wiped out and we'd have to start over.
And honestly, trading Stutzle + Sanderson would be highway robbery for the Habs, let alone adding more pieces to it.
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Never going to happen but Buffalo could survive:
Thompson, Power, Quinn, Kulich, Rosén, Olofsson, Jokiharju, 23 1st, 24 1st, 23 2nd, 24 2nd
On paper. The culture would be destroyed and I wouldn't do it. But the package should make you think about trading Bedard.
Thompson, Power, Quinn, Kulich, Rosén, Olofsson, Jokiharju, 23 1st, 24 1st, 23 2nd, 24 2nd
On paper. The culture would be destroyed and I wouldn't do it. But the package should make you think about trading Bedard.
The Habs can offer a better package then so the team won't even make the playoffs.We are talking of making a team an instant contender, not an instant first round exit queen...
Or some unwanted contracts....
I love Ghally but he would be part of the package going the other way. And/or Hoffman but he's only a one year anchor.
in form of overpaid players
oel, myers, boeser, garland ... ?
montreal would ask for pettersson + in a overpay situation
Looking at how many 1st overall's have been traded in the cap era: NONE.
Surely the team that gets it will trade for Josh Anderson+.
Surely the team that gets it will trade for Josh Anderson+.
Lol what? That's massively, MASSIVELY, overpaying for a junior.
