Speculation: Value of Bedard...for Kings ransom

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Wouldn't do this as a sabres fan but id imagine it would be something like

Power (young roster + main piece) + UPL (young roster) + Savoie (high pick) + Kulich (A prospect) + Unprotected 1st (draft capital)
We don't need volume, which we have plenty, but someone like Chicago might.

For us it would be Cozins, Tuch and Dahlin with maybe Harris going back with a boat anchor contract like Hoffman.

Every bottom dweller has different needs and different point on their rebuild.
 

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On another Habs forum, It appears that I'm all alone that IF we get Bedard, to trade him for a kings ransom.

My reasoning is that Lindros was also a generational player but it was the Avalanche that won cups and Philly went nowhere fast with Lindros. Also looking at Oilers and they are not dominating despite having the current BEST player in the world AND another top 10 best.

A speculative Kings ransom trade would look like...Stutzle, Chabot and Pinto. I'm NOT saying that the Sens will do it, but that is what it going to look like, if not MORE.

Problem of course is that few teams have that many young players that they can trade away. NJ, Buffalo and Sens are the ones that have enough very good to great players to even make this kind of trade. Teams like the Habs have a LOT of young players but we basically have to cut deep into the team to trade for Bedard.

Another issue is cost. Example are the 3 Sens which combined and full potential can cost 25 million. That's far more then Bedard can get even if he is the highest paid player in the league.

On the other hand, an injured superstar hurts FAR more then 1 star out of 3.

Sooo....

Let's say your team won the lottery, would you trade Bedard?

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BTW, this is what the Lindros trade tree looks like...

In a word no even though there might be a case for it but not really with the Canucks probably picking in double digits.

Say the team with the second pick needs to win more now maybe they offer the second (basically Michov) and a top prospect and a pick in the 24 or 25 draft for Bedard.
 

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We don't need volume, which we have plenty, but someone like Chicago might.

For us it would be Cozins, Tuch and Dahlin with maybe Harris going back with a boat anchor contract like Hoffman.

Every bottom dweller has different needs and different point on their rebuild.
Man I love Bedard but Power, Savoie, Kulich and an unprotected 1st is fair value and Lidros trade like IMO.
 
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Bedard has McDavid level hype but not the skating or size. Entirely possible he tops out as a better Jack Hughes or Brayden Point which is still a franchise player.

But say Canucks lose their mind and offer Demko, Hughes, Pettersson and Kuzmenko for him. #1 G, D, C, W. That would pretty much let the Habs fill out a cup contending roster overnight minus a hole at 1RD. Feel like that would be tempting to get all those players on the roster at the same time as Suzuki and Caulfield are hitting their stride
So there’s no salary cap in this imaginary world?
 

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Mathews( Extension ), Rielly ( 3 mil retained), Mathew Knies, Nick Robertson, Timothy Lilijgren, Boston 1st, Torontos 2024 1st and Torontos 2026 1st to Anaheim for Bedard
 
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These trades don't work anymore with the cap
This is the answer. The cap has killed the big superstar blockbuster trades pre cap era. In the 90’s it was ridiculous how many star players were moved. no team could ever give the quality a team would want in giving up the bedard pick in a cap era, just the sad facts of it all…
 

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For a team like Vancouver, it would be starting a foundation to build on. It will still take years to accumulate surrounding talent.
It could be a franchise changer for the Canucks and completely life changing for Bedard. IF he went to Van and IF he has the career that all the hype suggests and IF he could possibly lead the Canucks to a Cup he could spend his career in Van as a folk hero and when he retires he could run for mayor or premier or pope or whatever he wants.
 

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So there’s no salary cap in this imaginary world?
Habs open 19 million next season and if Hoffman goes, 22 million.

Theoretically...Dubois 7 million, CC extension 5 million and the pile coming back needs 10 million.

A few years later, well, all hell breaks lose. It's impossible to keep several stars on any team. It's a dance of trading a star or 2 for youth and keep developing.

It's a great problem to have...
 

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No it couldn’t lol
Keller is future ppg player, Cooley has potential to be top6 F and you got also high draft pick.

I think it is close...i would add maybe 2nd and that could make this trade done.

Problem here Keller is underrated in this trade and Bedard overrated.

Bedard is not McDavid, he is probably gonna pan out as slightly better version than Marner/Hughes.
And being slightly better than Marner is not bad, that's future 90-110 pts player. I would take that as #1 every day.
 

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Bedard for Fantilli and Power.

Bedard for Fantilli and Pettersson.

Bedard for Fantilli and Seider.
 

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We don't need volume, which we have plenty, but someone like Chicago might.

For us it would be Cozins, Tuch and Dahlin with maybe Harris going back with a boat anchor contract like Hoffman.

Every bottom dweller has different needs and different point on their rebuild.
1. You guys need everything at the moment. Also that certainly isn’t volume you’re getting Power who will be a Calder nominee and 2 blue chippers.

2. Bedard is not worth a top 5 defenseman and 3 70 point players under the age of 26. 2 of them being barely old enough to drink
 

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No team will ever get a Lindros haul back nowadays. Lots of good players and a boatload of money. Nothing will ever touch that ever again in a salary cap world. Also, teams can't trade money to each other as well.
 

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...and it would be worth every penny...

It wouldn't be. There is zero shot we could acquire Bedard without trading Pettersson and Hughes given the shallow state of our prospect pull. That alone would set us back years just having to draft their replacements. All with no guarantee Bedard is even as good. We could end up with a Yakupov after having given up our two star players.

And it's for that exact reason you'll never see a Lindros trade again. Hell, it only happened to begin with because he refused to play for Quebec. I very much doubt Bedard will put such a stunt even if he were drafted by Arizona.
 
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On another Habs forum, It appears that I'm all alone that IF we get Bedard, to trade him for a kings ransom.

My reasoning is that Lindros was also a generational player but it was the Avalanche that won cups and Philly went nowhere fast with Lindros. Also looking at Oilers and they are not dominating despite having the current BEST player in the world AND another top 10 best.

A speculative Kings ransom trade would look like...Stutzle, Chabot and Pinto. I'm NOT saying that the Sens will do it, but that is what it going to look like, if not MORE.

Problem of course is that few teams have that many young players that they can trade away. NJ, Buffalo and Sens are the ones that have enough very good to great players to even make this kind of trade. Teams like the Habs have a LOT of young players but we basically have to cut deep into the team to trade for Bedard.

Another issue is cost. Example are the 3 Sens which combined and full potential can cost 25 million. That's far more then Bedard can get even if he is the highest paid player in the league.

On the other hand, an injured superstar hurts FAR more then 1 star out of 3.

Sooo....

Let's say your team won the lottery, would you trade Bedard?

~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW, this is what the Lindros trade tree looks like...


If there was some circumstance where Bedard let it be known that he would under no circumstance play for Montreal, then explore the best possible trade. But in any other case but that? Take that pick, plug in the star prospect and go.
 

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the Lindros trade mostly only worked out for the team trading him because they got someone basically as good as him back as part of it

that's not something you can at all count on in a trade like this
 

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Hutson for bedard + 2023 1st

At least that’s how some Montreal fans on prospect boards make it seem
 

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If any gm has the thought of trading Bedard pop up in their head, thould be fired on the spot
 
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Bedard maybe the reason I buy another EA sports NHL game. So he his value is unprecedented because my wallet is tight tight tight.

No team will ever get a Lindros haul back nowadays. Lots of good players and a boatload of money. Nothing will ever touch that ever again in a salary cap world. Also, teams can't trade money to each other as well.
Without trading money Gretzky would never have been dealt either.
 

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It wouldn't be. There is zero shot we could acquire Bedard without trading Pettersson and Hughes given the shallow state of our prospect pull. That alone would set us back years just having to draft their replacements. All with no guarantee Bedard is even as good. We could end up with a Yakupov after having given up our two star players.

And it's for that exact reason you'll never see a Lindros trade again. Hell, it only happened to begin with because he refused to play for Quebec. I very much doubt Bedard will put such a stunt even if he were drafted by Arizona.
If Bedard were to do a "soft Lindros" and tell whomever had that pick he could gently suggest that he really wants to go to Van Might not have to give up those two but might cost a whole lot of high draft picks over a few years. After watching Gretzky get traded I believe anything can happen...
 

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On another Habs forum, It appears that I'm all alone that IF we get Bedard, to trade him for a kings ransom.

My reasoning is that Lindros was also a generational player but it was the Avalanche that won cups and Philly went nowhere fast with Lindros. Also looking at Oilers and they are not dominating despite having the current BEST player in the world AND another top 10 best.

A speculative Kings ransom trade would look like...Stutzle, Chabot and Pinto. I'm NOT saying that the Sens will do it, but that is what it going to look like, if not MORE.

Problem of course is that few teams have that many young players that they can trade away. NJ, Buffalo and Sens are the ones that have enough very good to great players to even make this kind of trade. Teams like the Habs have a LOT of young players but we basically have to cut deep into the team to trade for Bedard.

Another issue is cost. Example are the 3 Sens which combined and full potential can cost 25 million. That's far more then Bedard can get even if he is the highest paid player in the league.

On the other hand, an injured superstar hurts FAR more then 1 star out of 3.

Sooo....

Let's say your team won the lottery, would you trade Bedard?

~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW, this is what the Lindros trade tree looks like...

As an Avs fan, I must say that we also got very lucky and got an all-time great in the trade with Philadelphia. If we didn’t get someone as good as Forsberg, which is unlikely in most trades, that trade would have been looked at much differently.
 

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Vancouver is the only team in the league that would maybe give up the type of package necessary.


Pettersson + Vancouvers 1st would be a pretty good starting point. But I highly doubt Montreal would have any interest at all in trading the pick.
 
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