Raptors Discussion: v97 Raptor's 2024-2025 - Training camp begins Oct. 1

[MAB1]

Why get Poetl only to play him 12 minutes

Well we seemed to have no issue giving up a first that was poorly protected and some other pieces for an expiring contract. Raps brass made a terrible decision and traded away draft capital when we should have been acquiring it. This draft should force loss of jobs in the front office. We are a poorly built team that desperately needed to retool and instead we added to it without any internal correction. Brutal

This is what I don't get...it's only top 4 protected and they have FVV and Trent expiring at the end of the year. They're on pace for another bottom 10 finish which would be twice in the last 3 years. Say they finish with the 5th pick overall next year, well now that belongs to the Spurs and for what? An expiring big they could've easily chased in free agency? They still need to sign him too, imagine if Poetl walks along with Trent and FVV....

I don't get why they're so against bottoming out, even the title team was built on the backs of 2 9th overall picks (DD & Poetl) traded for Kawhi, an 8th overall pick (Ross) traded for Ibaka and another 5th overall pick traded for Gasol (JV). If Raptors teams of the past never bottomed out, they would've never been in the position to acquire the guys that lead to the title team. It's no coincidence Siakam, FVV, OG, etc thrived in their intro to the NBA on the 2nd unit behind those lottery picks. Now it seems like they only want to build with undrafted players or late round picks.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Well we seemed to have no issue giving up a first that was poorly protected and some other pieces for an expiring contract. Raps brass made a terrible decision and traded away draft capital when we should have been acquiring it. This draft should force loss of jobs in the front office. We are a poorly built team that desperately needed to retool and instead we added to it without any internal correction. Brutal

It's not like this team is young and going to improve. As constituted they are nowhere near a championship team, something that Masai has stated the only thing he's concerned with. Did those players during the fourth quarter show any sign that they will improve? Masaii should have acquired assets, not trade them. FVV is done as a Raptor, OG is not going to be an allstar, Trent couldn't get a basket if it is was the size of a trampoline when it counted. All 3 should have been traded for assets. Masai and Bobby, baskeball's version of Dumb and Dumber during this trade deadline.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Why get Poetl only to play him 12 minutes

This is what I don't get...it's only top 4 protected and they have FVV and Trent expiring at the end of the year. They're on pace for another bottom 10 finish which would be twice in the last 3 years. Say they finish with the 5th pick overall next year, well now that belongs to the Spurs and for what? An expiring big they could've easily chased in free agency? They still need to sign him too, imagine if Poetl walks along with Trent and FVV....

I don't get why they're so against bottoming out, even the title team was built on the backs of 2 9th overall picks (DD & Poetl) traded for Kawhi, an 8th overall pick (Ross) traded for Ibaka and another 5th overall pick traded for Gasol (JV). If Raptors teams of the past never bottomed out, they would've never been in the position to acquire the guys that lead to the title team. It's no coincidence Siakam, FVV, OG, etc thrived in their intro to the NBA on the 2nd unit behind those lottery picks. Now it seems like they only want to build with undrafted players or late round picks.

It's top 6 protected but your point is still valid.

 

[GoonieFace]

You guys must look foolish now. We just signed Joe Weiskamp. Masai is on another plane of brilliance, his plan and vision is unmatchable.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

You guys must look foolish now. We just signed Joe Weiskamp. Masai is on another plane of brilliance, his plan and vision is unmatchable.

Yeah, you’re right. How could we not see the stardom waiting for a guy who averaged 2.1 points per game last season. He’ll help our putrid shooting smh

 

[stats1]

I can’t think of the last player I hated as much as I hate Fred right now. Hijacking the offence and sabotaging the team just so he can stat pad snd get paid in the off-season. I wouldn’t even bother with a sign and trade cause then we gotta waste contracts and money on scraps. Just let him walk and sign somewhere and start fresh.

I still can’t get over how inept Masai and Bobby were at this deadline. Losing to the Jazz the day after you trade for Poeltl is just laughable…. Way to go guys… can’t wait for us to give up the 7th overall pick next year to SA

 

[stats1]

Also I think it’s time for Masai to sit down Nick and start talking about his future. Honeymoon is long over it’s been 4 years since the title and the team keeps getting worse.

 

[Bjindaho]

One thing that drives me nuts is Nurse's unwillingness to play the bench.

A 10th in conference team shouldn't regularly play 6-8 players, especially when in limited minutes, we have plenty of guys who deserve more than they get.

 

[MAB1]

Also I think it’s time for Masai to sit down Nick and start talking about his future. Honeymoon is long over it’s been 4 years since the title and the team keeps getting worse.

I actually don't think Nurse is the problem, he needs FVV to be taken off the roster for his own good but ultimately this team needs more talent on it. When's the last time a team was built around late lottery picks/undrafted players and had serious championship aspirations? Now Siakam is legit but unless Barnes takes a leap to top 10 player status, this team won't ever seriously reach that bar. Fresh off winning the ROY, he should've been given the keys to the offence along with Siakam to take pressure off.

FVV is not Lowry, I'd go as far to say he's not even in that mold of traditional PG's whose value goes beyond the stat-sheet. He's a chucker that happens to be 6'1 so he can't be put at any other position.

 

[LaPlante94]

Well we seemed to have no issue giving up a first that was poorly protected and some other pieces for an expiring contract. Raps brass made a terrible decision and traded away draft capital when we should have been acquiring it. This draft should force loss of jobs in the front office. We are a poorly built team that desperately needed to retool and instead we added to it without any internal correction. Brutal

I feel we're just missing a dynamic PG who can help take this team to the next level if we can stay healthy. OG, Barnes, Siakam and now Poetl is a pretty damn good 2-5 who can guard any position as well if we need to go small ball. From when I usually watch this team we lack that dynamic PG and people who can shoot 3s late in games. Our last game was terrible paint defence but Poeltl only played 16 minutes. I think people seem to forget it's not the easiest to build a team over here because most players want to play in America so we aren't signing any superstar FA and most players won't agree to be traded here. We lucked out with Leonard but the gamble paid off. I do think we need to start drafting some guards because these long wingspan defenders are not hard to find who have some untapped offensive potential.

 

[Marmoset]

I don't get why they're so against bottoming out, even the title team was built on the backs of 2 9th overall picks (DD & Poetl) traded for Kawhi, an 8th overall pick (Ross) traded for Ibaka and another 5th overall pick traded for Gasol (JV). If Raptors teams of the past never bottomed out, they would've never been in the position to acquire the guys that lead to the title team. It's no coincidence Siakam, FVV, OG, etc thrived in their intro to the NBA on the 2nd unit behind those lottery picks. Now it seems like they only want to build with undrafted players or late round picks.

They will likely have a high pick this year and they have Scottie (although they are setting him up to be a role player rather than a star).

Do they just think they're smarter than everyone else? Have they fallen in love with their guys - not trading OG or FVV when they should, reacquiring Poeltl? I never thought I could feel like I would want Masai and co. removed. I don't know if I would go that far yet, but if they don't redeem themselves this summer, then I would.

It's sad that they are sucking away my enjoyment of the Raptors like this. This must be what Wizards, Kings, Knicks fans feel like.

 

[Dr.Funk]

Also I think it’s time for Masai to sit down Nick and start talking about his future. Honeymoon is long over it’s been 4 years since the title and the team keeps getting worse.

Other way around. Nick is for my money one of the top 5 coaches in the league. He should be sitting down with Masai and giving him a brutal assessment of the roster he has to work with.

One thing that drives me nuts is Nurse's unwillingness to play the bench.

A 10th in conference team shouldn't regularly play 6-8 players, especially when in limited minutes, we have plenty of guys who deserve more than they get.

The roster outside of like 7-8 guys is trash. The team is terribly constructed. Nick is playing who he can kinda trust out there. Unfortunately that means riding those few guys like rented mules.

 

[donghabs98]

Good for T Ross. He'll get a great chance at a championship

 

[donghabs98]

Other way around. Nick is for my money one of the top 5 coaches in the league. He should be sitting down with Masai and giving him a brutal assessment of the roster he has to work with.





The roster outside of like 7-8 guys is trash. The team is terribly constructed. Nick is playing who he can kinda trust out there. Unfortunately that means riding those few guys like rented mules.

It puzzles me how his disconnected Nurse and management seem to be. Its been clear that Nurse wanted bench help this season and management basically just signed Porter Jr and that was it. They at least finally got Nurse a rim protector but the bench is still pretty questionable. Makes me really miss the bench mob.

 

[MAB1]

It puzzles me how his disconnected Nurse and management seem to be. Its been clear that Nurse wanted bench help this season and management basically just signed Porter Jr and that was it. They at least finally got Nurse a rim protector but the bench is still pretty questionable. Makes me really miss the bench mob.

Seems like Masai was hell-bent on his long-bois vision. It's not fair to Nurse to not give him an NBA caliber starting C to start the year. In a division with Embiid, Horford, etc it's just asking for trouble. Regardless of how you want to play, you need shooting. Siakam and Barnes don't shoot well enough from 3 to have a bunch of non-shooters. I think this is a playoff team next year with more shooting to space the floor but they need guys who understand it's Siakam and Barnes team. FVV is far too selfish to be a PG

 

[Stylizer1]

Siakam is not a true #1 option, He's a really good #2. Given the amount of minutes and shots he gets he puts up good numbers but he doesn't get you baskets when you need them. This was the same issue with DeRozan. This team lacks structure and skill. To many tall guys who do the same thing.

 

[Bjindaho]

6 shot attempts by Scottie.

We have a couple of ball hogs

 

[Bjindaho]

Other way around. Nick is for my money one of the top 5 coaches in the league. He should be sitting down with Masai and giving him a brutal assessment of the roster he has to work with.





The roster outside of like 7-8 guys is trash. The team is terribly constructed. Nick is playing who he can kinda trust out there. Unfortunately that means riding those few guys like rented mules.

Statistically, nearly every one of our bigs has been good.

We also could ensure that they don't play together by timing subs if you don't trust them together.

 

[DuklaNation]

Masai/Bobby won't rebuild when its required. Need to do what Utah did. Unfortunately the number of picks/prospects available has dwindled. Mediocrity shouldn't be the target.

 

[horner]

If Poetl was their intended C, why not go after him in FA instead of giving up picks to have his bird rights. FVV was coming off the books anyways. They effectively devalued their 2023 pick in the process because now they'll be better but they still have a first-round ceiling at best.

Masi Bobby and Nurse they are all win first people.
They traded for a center they could have signed this summer but they want to get in to the playoffs .
Nurse won't play his because he qet into the playoffs.
If what the raptors need is a rebuild they will have tovxhange nanagement and the coach.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[Schennanigans]

Can we start losing again. That would be great.

 

[MAB1]

I would love to see how this potential team could operate:

PG - Barnes
SG - Trent
SF - Anunoby
PF - Siakam
C - Poetl

It would require more development from Barnes but 3&D shooting from Trent + OG while the primary ball-handlers are Siakam and Barnes. Poetl would be the Gasol-lite presence at C. If Barnes can take the leap to All-NBA talent next year that's a top 4 team in the East imo. Fill out the bench with their 2023 1st, Young, Porter, Achiuwa, Banton, etc.

If there's a prospect they really like in this draft they could also package their 1st with OG to see how far up they could move. This is if OG wants out in the summer as reported.

 

[fancy lad]

That’s a very impressive night from Jakub I must say. I never once envisioned him as a player capable of scoring more than 25 He does look like a very intelligent player that’s for sure.

obviously management has no intention of losing and of rebuilding. Ask yourself has Masai ever been one to rebuild? I don’t think so. The year they drafted Scottie was pretty much the closest to it and there were various factors as to why that wasn’t a regular rebuilding situation. Tampa bay, injuries, etc.