Raptors Discussion: v97 Raptor's 2024-2025 - Training camp begins Oct. 1

[saska sault]

It's funny because I coach grade 7 boys basketball in a rural school and it looked like teams I have coached.

I played on a winless grade 9 boys basketball team and we at least had one fast kid we could just box 4 in and make 1 sprint.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

They have too many really dumb players. That last minute was a travesty of ineptitude. We expect dumb from Siakam, but Barnes gave him a run this game.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Last night was a textbook display of how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

The coaching staff has their work cut out for them.

 

[CabanaBoy5]

Last night was a textbook display of how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

The coaching staff has their work cut out for them.

When you have people like Jack Armstrong and Matt Devlin saying they've never seen anything like this, then you know it was a massive gift for the Bulls. And the worst part, this isn't a very good Bulls team. Hoping Darko can at least have some impact with this, but low IQ basketball isn't easy to eliminate.

 

[Clark4Ever]

When you have people like Jack Armstrong and Matt Devlin saying they've never seen anything like this, then you know it was a massive gift for the Bulls. And the worst part, this isn't a very good Bulls team. Hoping Darko can at least have some impact with this, but low IQ basketball isn't easy to eliminate.

Siakam was the main culprit in the failure to close out the game...again.

 

[Bjindaho]

Siakam was the main culprit in the failure to close out the game...again.

I mean, none of the fouls called were correct. Boucher literally only hit ball and DeRo initiated contact on every single foul (which is supposed to negate the foul).

I hope Nurse gets booed loudly tonight. For all the good that he did, he basically pulled a Vince Carter to force his way out.

 

[1specter]

I hope Nurse gets booed loudly tonight. For all the good that he did, he basically pulled a Vince Carter to force his way out.

Eh, this isn't really fair. I think things just got stale and he and Masai didn't see eye to eye anymore, it happens. Nick had his faults but as we can see the team still lacks quality depth at certain positions and the roster has some holes that need to be addressed still.

Nick's still the GOAT coach in the history of this franchise and it's not close. He will get his flowers from the fans, as he should.

 

[Bjindaho]

Eh, this isn't really fair. I think things just got stale and he and Masai didn't see eye to eye anymore, it happens. Nick had his faults but as we can see the team still lacks quality depth at certain positions and the roster has some holes that need to be addressed still.

Nick's still the GOAT coach in the history of this franchise and it's not close. He will get his flowers from the fans, as he should.

Lacks talent? His "system" gave up the highest percentage of open corner threes in NBA history.

He won with Kawhi (which had a lot more to do with Kawhi than Nurse) then refused to adapt to his roster.

If Casey had Kawhi instead of DeRozan, I dont doubt that he would have won.

 

[stickty111]

Lacks talent? His "system" gave up the highest percentage of open corner threes in NBA history.

He won with Kawhi (which had a lot more to do with Kawhi than Nurse) then refused to adapt to his roster.

If Casey had Kawhi instead of DeRozan, I dont doubt that he would have won.

Casey would not have won. Nurse's system was better then Casey's, and Nurse outcoached Budinholzer and Kerr in the playoffs. Do we forget how bad of a coach Casey was in the playoffs? It's not even close who the better coach is.
Casey was getting outcoached by Tyron Lue of all people.

 

[GoonieFace]

Casey would not have won. Nurse's system was better then Casey's, and Nurse outcoached Budinholzer and Kerr in the playoffs. Do we forget how bad of a coach Casey was in the playoffs? It's not even close who the better coach is.
Casey was getting outcoached by Tyron Lue of all people.

Agree to disagree, give that roster to Casey and they probably win as well. DeRozan was a playoff choker, as displayed last night as well.

 

[Bjindaho]

Casey would not have won. Nurse's system was better then Casey's, and Nurse outcoached Budinholzer and Kerr in the playoffs. Do we forget how bad of a coach Casey was in the playoffs? It's not even close who the better coach is.
Casey was getting outcoached by Tyron Lue of all people.

Nurse's coaching history:
Year 1 - wins with Kawhi and co
Year 2 - overachieves (note that the entire success of that season is due to opponents missing a lot of open corner threes, aka luck)
Year 3 - Tampa tank, poor D catches up
Year 4 - low expectations, team makes playoffs and loses in first round due to the same defensive issue
Year 5 - last year, refused to play a bench, same defensive issue

5 years, 2 1sts, 2 3rds and 2 5ths but one of the 5ths required one of the most inexplicable shooting lines against in NBA history.

 

[1specter]

Agree to disagree, give that roster to Casey and they probably win as well. DeRozan was a playoff choker, as displayed last night as well.

Some strong revisionist history going on here. Casey showed repeatedly a failure to adapt and often went life and death with mediocre teams in the playoffs. And when they played LeBron they just got their shit pushed in while inferior teams at least managed to strip a game or two off the Cavs. The 2022 roster that Nurse took to the playoffs and managed to actually win a couple of games despite being down 3-0? That team doesn't even sniff playoffs with Casey.

His results in Detroit speak for itself, was never even close to getting the team to even a bubble level.

 

[Suntouchable13]

I mean, none of the fouls called were correct. Boucher literally only hit ball and DeRo initiated contact on every single foul (which is supposed to negate the foul).

I hope Nurse gets booed loudly tonight. For all the good that he did, he basically pulled a Vince Carter to force his way out.

Yea, but Mr. Siakam over there was brutal down the stretch. First, missed 2 free throws. Then gets stripped, they go the other way and Caruso makes the game winning bucket. Then the final possession of the game, I don't know what the hell he was trying to do. Maybe Darko needs a better gameplan? Give the ball to Scottie, see what he can do. Why are they giving the ball to Siakam in crucial end of game situations?

 

[stickty111]

Nurse's coaching history:
Year 1 - wins with Kawhi and co
Year 2 - overachieves (note that the entire success of that season is due to opponents missing a lot of open corner threes, aka luck)
Year 3 - Tampa tank, poor D catches up
Year 4 - low expectations, team makes playoffs and loses in first round due to the same defensive issue
Year 5 - last year, refused to play a bench, same defensive issue

5 years, 2 1sts, 2 3rds and 2 5ths but one of the 5ths required one of the most inexplicable shooting lines against in NBA history.

Year 1- wins because of system and Kawhi.
Year 2- pushed a much superior Boston team to game 7 despite Siakam being awful.
Year 3- it was a tank.
Year 4- got 2 games on vastly superior Philly down 3-0 which again Siakam didn't show up.
Year 5- took bad FT shooting from the Raps to get the Bulls a comeback.

Calling it luck is just not admitting his accomplishments. Don't downplay his achievements.

Nurse should be celebrated and he is the best coach in Raps history.
I wanted a coaching change too but thats because both sides needed to move on. It got stale. Happens to the best.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Nurse should have a nice video tribute tonight. I am kinda still not used guys coming back to Toronto that actually won a championship here. Lowry, Nurse, Kawhi, Danny, etc. Other teams have not won shit recently.

 

[Bjindaho]

Year 1- wins because of system and Kawhi.
Year 2- pushed a much superior Boston team to game 7 despite Siakam being awful.
Year 3- it was a tank.
Year 4- got 2 games on vastly superior Philly down 3-0 which again Siakam didn't show up.
Year 5- took bad FT shooting from the Raps to get the Bulls a comeback.

Calling it luck is just not admitting his accomplishments. Don't downplay his achievements.

Nurse should be celebrated and he is the best coach in Raps history.
I wanted a coaching change too but thats because both sides needed to move on. It got stale. Happens to the best.

This is asinine.

The year 2 team misses the playoffs if not for bad shooting by opponents (this was a bottom of the league calibre defense that had opponents flat out miss their open shots).

The year 3 team had no business tanking. They tanked because they sucked.

You are focusing on a couple of games somehow making Nurse superior despite running a terrible defensive system.

He also inherited his bench from Casey then single-handedly killed the depth of the team.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[Bjindaho]

I honestly thought that the Bulls player stuck out his leg and tried to trip Pascal.

So if the game went to OT based on 5 mistakes that ALL went Chicago's way, why can't the league reverse the result (keep the player stats, but call the final score 93-92, despite the fact that incorrect calls led to nearly 10 points)

 

[stickty111]

This is asinine.

The year 2 team misses the playoffs if not for bad shooting by opponents (this was a bottom of the league calibre defense that had opponents flat out miss their open shots).

The year 3 team had no business tanking. They tanked because they sucked.

You are focusing on a couple of games somehow making Nurse superior despite running a terrible defensive system.

He also inherited his bench from Casey then single-handedly killed the depth of the team.

Maybe tell those teams to not miss open shots. Looks like thats an opponents issue and not a coach issue.
That was a tank and a good situation to tank.
No I am looking at the entire situation and he was really good.

Also stop on the bench stuff. The bench is bad and thats not on Nurse. Look at the last game, Darko brought his bench in mid way through the 1st with his 1st sub, and they promptly gave up a big run to Chicago.

 

[Bjindaho]

Maybe tell those teams to not miss open shots. Looks like thats an opponents issue and not a coach issue.
That was a tank and a good situation to tank.
No I am looking at the entire situation and he was really good.

Also stop on the bench stuff. The bench is bad and thats not on Nurse. Look at these 2 games, the bench is being played and doing nothing with it. Darko brought his bench in mid way through the 1st and they promptly gave up a big run to Chicago. Nurse so far is proving correct to not play his bench last year. Flynn in particular has been terrible

No, you aren't. If the coach puts the team in a position to lose and they win because the other team misses open shots, that isn't a credit to the coach.

And the bench is 100% on Nurse, because he ran a few decent bench options out of town because they didn't perfectly fit his strategy. When you play a 7 man rotation and never give the bench a chance, you lose the right to complain about depth if any of them work out somewhere else.

 

[stickty111]

No, you aren't. If the coach puts the team in a position to lose and they win because the other team misses open shots, that isn't a credit to the coach.

And the bench is 100% on Nurse, because he ran a few decent bench options out of town because they didn't perfectly fit his strategy. When you play a 7 man rotation and never give the bench a chance, you lose the right to complain about depth if any of them work out somewhere else.

You are just for looking for reasons to criticize now. No he didn't. Thats on management. If they are getting controlled by a coach, then thats on management. The bench stinks. You want to play players that are terrible? Thats your opinion. Darko is playing Flynn who Nurse wouldn't play, and he's been the worst player on the court.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Bjindaho]

You are just for looking for reasons to criticize now. No he didn't. Thats on management. If they are getting controlled by a coach, then thats on management. The bench stinks. You want to play players that are terrible? Thats your opinion. Darko is playing Flynn who Nurse wouldn't play, and he's been the worst player on the court.

No, you are incorrect.

For example, Ish Wainwright was a Raptor. Management liked him but Nurse didn't so Nurse played him a total of 33 preseason minutes, effectively cutting Ish himself.

The issue isn't Flynn. It is that Nurse inherited a team with 8-9 starting calibre players and you could make a real argument that the only player that has shown any real progression is Boucher.

Every time Nurse asked for shooters, he got shooters and refused to play them because they suck on D (cough, Hernangomez). When he asked for D, he got players that played D and complained that they don't shoot well enough. He never took the time to try to improve them (even if some of them were young like Banton).

 

[GoonieFace]

You are just for looking for reasons to criticize now. No he didn't. Thats on management. If they are getting controlled by a coach, then thats on management. The bench stinks. You want to play players that are terrible? Thats your opinion. Darko is playing Flynn who Nurse wouldn't play, and he's been the worst player on the court.

Not sure what’s worse, your basketball or hockey takes, but they are both way off

 

[hockeywiz542]