Raptors Discussion: v97 Raptor's 2024-2025 - NBA Team
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The last two 1sts would be 2027 and 2029, so way off in the future. Who knows where the team is in the standings that far down the road. It's a dangerous game giving away 1sts that far away and has come back to bite some other teams.
I'm at the point of wanting no part of KD given the drama in Brooklyn. How long would it be before he gets unhappy with Nick Nurse or one of his teammates? Never mind the injury and age concerns. It's a massive risk, unlike Kawhi where if it hadn't worked out there was no long term commitment and no future picks owed.
Suns should be nowhere near the top of odds… they can’t move Ayton until January I believe and not without his consent. He basically has a NTC for a year. Take out Ayton and Suns have nothing that Nets want without taking major pieces from their roster. Boston and Toronto should be the top 2 odds on favourites right now
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I still make the KD trade if it's like Siakam/OG + Trent + picks. The key is to keep Barnes + one of Siakam or OG after the trade especially for defensive purposes. Against teams like Boston or the Clippers, you wouldn't want Durant tasked with guarding Leonard-George or Tatum-Brown all game, which is why Barnes + OG/Siakam is needed to let KD pop-off offensively and roam defensively. Against other teams that don't have star wings, the Raptors can overwhelm those teams with the trio of KD, Barnes, Siakam/OG.
Sure there is a risk that Durant could get injured but you could say that about any player in the NBA, the difference is just probability. I don't think KD would be opposed to Nurse, he wasn't with Kerr in GS (coach who had won a championship before KD got there like Nurse). He's always spoken highly of Masai.
The way I look at it, if you don't make the trade, the Raptors are stuck in the 2nd group of teams in the East with a trio of Siakam, Barnes, OG until Barnes makes a leap. With KD, Barnes, OG/Siakam...the Raptors end up in the tier with the Celtics, Sixers, Heat, Bucks as is, with the potential for more if and when Barnes makes that jump (imagine Barnes ascending to star/superstar status this post-season sharing the load with KD).
Having a player like KD also takes the pressure off guys like OG and FVV and slots them in the hierarchy of offensive touches where they belong (space the floor mainly).
Sure there is a risk that Durant could get injured but you could say that about any player in the NBA, the difference is just probability. I don't think KD would be opposed to Nurse, he wasn't with Kerr in GS (coach who had won a championship before KD got there like Nurse). He's always spoken highly of Masai.
The way I look at it, if you don't make the trade, the Raptors are stuck in the 2nd group of teams in the East with a trio of Siakam, Barnes, OG until Barnes makes a leap. With KD, Barnes, OG/Siakam...the Raptors end up in the tier with the Celtics, Sixers, Heat, Bucks as is, with the potential for more if and when Barnes makes that jump (imagine Barnes ascending to star/superstar status this post-season sharing the load with KD).
Having a player like KD also takes the pressure off guys like OG and FVV and slots them in the hierarchy of offensive touches where they belong (space the floor mainly).
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Why would any team want a malcontent like KD or Irving. They deserve each other.
Golden State proved you do not need KD to win.
Golden State proved you do not need KD to win.
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KD to the Celtics is pain. Hope it doesn't happen.
The Nets have directly been responsible for basically all of the success the Celtics have had for a decade.
The Nets have directly been responsible for basically all of the success the Celtics have had for a decade.
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Spurs were saying the same thing about Kawhi. And the Heat and Cavs said the same about Lebron after he left. If you ask certain Lakers fans, they say that now about Lebron too.
You want Durant because it’s a superstar driven league. It’s how you win championships.
GS proved you can win without KD because they had 3 future hall of famers before KD and won and still have those players after KD and won. Most teams don’t have 1. You can point to GS’s success after KD. But look at OKC’s success without him. And the moment he leaves Brooklyn, they are back to being an irrelevant franchise.
KD is doing the exact same thing as Kawhi. Making things difficult for their team so they are forced to trade them. They are just going about it slightly different.
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At any given time in the NBA there are usually a couple of other malcontents, so there are deals to be made. For example, Harden/Simmons last season. There is also always someone who thinks they can fix a player. (That's true in any sport) .
I think KD is such a good player, despite all of the concerns, that almost any team would take a chance on him - but only for the right price. Right now the price Brooklyn is asking for is too high, maybe way too high, and the malcontent aspect is surely lowering the offers.
Despite all my concerns about KD in prior posts, I'd seriously consider a deal if he comes "cheap", where "cheap" means hardly any future picks and neither Barnes/Siakam involved. You don't need to tell me that Brooklyn isn't going to do that. But that's a line I'm drawing.
(Note: Barnes I'm not trading for anyone in the NBA except those clearly not available like Luka, Giannis, etc.)
He has never been anything except trouble and is getting too old to escape continual injuries. He couldn't keep up with a young team.
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Well, it makes sense you'd find at least one exec who'd say that given the number of front office mistakes that get made in any given year in the NBA.
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Not really a rumor. Thats likely what the offer has been or part of it.
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I wouldn’t trade for Durant. Too high a risk you end up giving away assets for nothing. I wouldn’t even entertain these offers going around.
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Inside Pass: Where things stand on Kevin Durant and Donovan Mitchell trade talks
The latest from NBA insider Shams Charania and what sources are telling him about the Kevin Durant and Donovan Mitchell situations.
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The Boston Celtics, Toronto Raptors and Miami Heat remain among the most serious threats to land Durant because they have the types of pieces necessary to satisfy the Nets’ asking price in a deal for the two-time NBA Finals MVP. However, no one yet has met Brooklyn’s high price tag of an All-Star, other high-level players and draft picks — and conversations with those three front-runners have been non-existent recently. The Celtics offered All-Star Jaylen Brown, guard Derrick White and a first-round draft pick in July, according to league sources; the Raptors have refused to make Rookie of the Year Scottie Barnes available; and Miami has yet to seriously engage with a package around All-Star Bam Adebayo.
The Philadelphia 76ers expressed recent interest in Durant while the Milwaukee Bucks and Denver Nuggets also inquired with the Nets in late June and early July to gauge the price tag, according to sources. The New Orleans Pelicans inquired with the Nets on June 30 as well but deemed All-Star Brandon Ingram as untouchable, sources said. Also in the past month, the Atlanta Hawks offered John Collins, De’Andre Hunter and a draft pick for Durant, according to sources.
None of those conversations gained much traction. Durant has four years and $198 million remaining on his Nets contract.
One major complication to involving logical players in trade talks for Durant like Adebayo and Utah’s Donovan Mitchell is that they are unable to be acquired via trade by Brooklyn with Ben Simmons on the roster due to designated rookie extension rules.
Recently, a new team has shown interest in Durant: the Memphis Grizzlies, league sources tell The Athletic. Fresh off a 56-win season, the Grizzlies have made new inquiries to the Nets about Durant, those sources added. Memphis has five first-round draft picks available (four unprotected selections of its own and one protected via Golden State in 2024) to theoretically utilize in a trade as well as young players like Jaren Jackson Jr., Desmond Bane, Ziaire Williams, Brandon Clarke, Kennedy Chandler and David Roddy.
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I would definitely entertain the GTJ, OG + picks offer, but it really depends on how many 1sts are attached. If KD gets hurt or leaves, those picks will be pretty damn high.
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Durant is great and all, but I just don’t like what we’ve been hearing about him in regards to why he is being shopped. If we could just get him and his talent while checking his ego at the door, then that would be great but we can’t do that. Some of these super stars egos are too damn big. If we could just get him and have him be quiet like Kawhi Leonard and just play that would be an awesome talent to add.
