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Keep or Trade - Siakam

  • Trade

    Votes: 63 90.0%

  • Re-Sign

    Votes: 7 10.0%
  • Total voters
    70
  • Poll closed .
Bjindaho said:
I was pointing out that his statement was incorrect.

He wasn't punished. GS won. People are just suggesting that spending more than everyone else takes away the "we earned it" narrative (the same critique Lebron has faced for being on "super" teams). GS was over the cap by almost a full Kevin Love.

Keep in mind that the same thing happened in the NHL when Kucherov magically got better for the playoffs.
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I just think league’s should be looking after the team’s who aren’t willing to spend. I know there is a cap floor, but imo there is too much attention to teams and owners who are spending. If G.S wants to spend 400 mil on their team why should they get taxed for it?

For example…in the NHL why should the Leafs/Rangers/Habs etc be restricted to a cap that’s on par with a team that is about to play out of a college arena?
 
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The “we earned it” narrative is garbage too. You don’t need to have a bunch of drafted players to feel like you earned a championship.
 
Dr.Funk said:
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NBA Rumors: Toronto Raptors Interested In Ben Simmons Trade

The Brooklyn Nets roster has been a giant question mark for most of this offseason. After an embarrassing sweep to end their 2021-22 campaign, many expected
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When healthy, Simmons is flawed. But he has off court issues going on and isn’t healthy. Want nothing to do with him.

I said I would have taken him last off-season in a sign and trade for Lowry. But if he isn’t guaranteed to play due to injury or his off court issues, then I wouldn’t take him for free let alone trade OG, plus Flynn, plus Precious, plus multiple firsts.

Incredibly stupid trade proposal.
 
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stickty111 said:
That package is an overpayment for a player like Simmonds. No thanks
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OG, Precious, Birch and 2 firsts for Ben Simmonds?

You are correct, that seems awful for us.

Some of these deals are just so brutal for our depth. If that's the cost of dealing with BN, let's just keep our guys.
 
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Celtics offer Jaylen Brown package for Kevin Durant, latest on Donovan Mitchell and more

The NBA’s unofficial trade deadline for the offseason is two months away, and Durant and Mitchell loom as major dominos.
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Meanwhile, eyes and ears around the league also remain fixated on the Utah Jazz and New York Knicks engaging in trade talks surrounding Mitchell. The Knicks’ asset pool — up to eight first-round draft picks and young players such as Quentin Grimes, Immanuel Quickley and Obi Toppin — gives them a clear opportunity to acquire Mitchell, but sources say talks so far have moved slowly and the sides are far from an agreement. With three years guaranteed remaining on Mitchell’s contract, the Jazz are not operating with a sense of urgency and have the time to evaluate the best offers for the 25-year-old.

Mitchell has spent the summer in his usual offseason routine: high-intensity workouts and time with his family and friends. Sources said the three-time NBA All-Star has not requested a trade or attempted to force his way out of Utah, but should the franchise move toward a full rebuild, a competitor like Mitchell would prefer to be in an environment geared toward winning now, not later.

Along with New York, several other teams have expressed interest to the Jazz when it comes to Mitchell, such as Washington, Miami, Toronto, Charlotte, Sacramento and Atlanta, according to sources.

Like Brooklyn, the Jazz have held firm on setting a high bar on any potential Mitchell deal, and they expect to be patient throughout the process. For now, the Jazz will continue to evaluate incoming calls and seek ways to balance their roster.

The NBA’s unofficial trade deadline for the offseason is two months away, and Durant and Mitchell loom as major dominos for the entire league.
 
Masai Ujiri and Danny Ainge are unlikely partners in a Donovan Mitchell trade - The Athletic

Within Shams Charania’s report the Boston Celtics have become serious suitors for Kevin Durant by showing a willingness to move Jaylen Brown in a trade is a popular notion that has existed since Durant’s trade demand went public. Namely, the blockbuster Rudy Gobert trade to Minnesota was having an impact on any and all Durant conversations.

You can see the logic behind such a thought: If Gobert brought in the two players Minnesota selected with its most recent first-round picks, four future first-round picks from Utah (only one of which was even lightly protected) AND a pick swap, Durant should bring in … what? Seven picks? Infinite picks? The Stepien Rule was not built sturdily enough to withstand a trade request by somebody so good.

This ignores the other part of the trade, which is the guys who have already played in the NBA and developed some sort of value based on that play. The fact we’ve largely skipped over that part of things is reasonable: It seemed beside the point for Danny Ainge, the man in charge of the Utah Jazz. With all due respect to Patrick Beverley, Jarred Vanderbilt and Malik Beasley, three players who filled meaningful roles last year for a playoff team, they were means to match Gobert’s salary. For a point of reference, Beverley was the only one of the three to appear on Seth Partnow’s list of the top 125 most impactful players on teams’ championship equity, and he was placed in the lowest tier. None of those three former Timberwolves has negative value, but their primary utility was to make the trade math work.

The notion of comparing trade returns is a bit dubious since many factors — the priorities of the teams involved, mainly — impact the details of moves like the ones being discussed. Regardless, it is safe to say that any trade return for Durant will be headlined by a player far more valuable than Beverley, and that player’s value should mitigate the draft equity required.

That brings us to Donovan Mitchell, whose availability and potential cost is easier to pin down because Ainge has already shown what he is looking for in a trade featuring an outgoing star. The Gobert deal is more of an apples-to-apples calculation for Mitchell’s value, because Ainge is involved in both. And while Charania mentions the Raptors as a potential suitor for Durant, he also revealed them as a team that has “expressed interest” in Mitchell.

It makes sense. If the Raptors believe they have enough to make a competitive offer for Durant, of course they would think they could do the same for Mitchell.

Mitchell is a lot easier to construct a trade for than Durant for many reasons, starting with the fact the Jazz guard is scheduled to make $14 million less than Durant this season, followed by the reality that he is not as good or valuable as Durant even given their respective ages. Mitchell’s flaws — he’s only an OK playmaker for his size and is a below-average defender – are ones the Raptors are well suited to absorb, given they have taller, longer players who are both good playmakers and very good defenders. Other than Gobert, Mitchell finished last year playing with a collection of decidedly mediocre defenders. Even if the Raptors would have to eat away at their depth to acquire Mitchell — let’s say, just to move this along, Gary Trent Jr., Thaddeus Young, Khem Birch and a similar package of picks that the Jazz got for Gobert — imagine Mitchell surrounded by the likes of OG Anunoby, Pascal Siakam, Scottie Barnes, Fred VanVleet, Precious Achiuwa and Chris Boucher. Pretty sensible, right?
 
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Former Raptor Leaks 2018 Playoff Scouting Report on LeBron James, John Wall, & Bradley Beal

Former Toronto Raptors center Lucas Nogueira leaked the team's 2018 scouting reports vs. LeBron James, Bradley Beal, and John Wall
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Toronto's 2018 Scouting Report vs. LeBron James

The Toronto Raptors' 2018 scouting report for Cleveland Cavaliers star LeBron James

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Raptors Scouting Report vs. John Wall

The Toronto Raptors' 2018 scouting report for Washington Wizards guard John Wall

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Raptors Scouting Report for Bradley Beal

The Toronto Raptors' 2018 scouting report against Washington Wizards guard Bradley Beal

Former Raptors center Lucas "Bebe" Nogueira posted videos of Toronto's 2018 scouting reports on Instagram including the team's reports for LeBron James, Bradley Beal, and John Wall.

For James, there's not much to critique. He was considered a "good" ball handler in pick-and-roll situations and "excellent" as the screener who popped twice as often as he rolled, per the report. He was "elite" at finishing near the rim but an "average" mid-range shooter. Similarly, he was "good" as a three-point shooter off-the-dribble but just "average" in catch-and-shoot opportunities and much better shooting to his left compared to his right. He was an "excellent" shooter on the drive but an "average" passer while driving. Defensively, the Raptors considered him "below average" defending the ball handler or screener in pick-and-roll situations.

With Wall, the scouting report suggests dropping in pick-and-roll coverage to prevent him from finishing at the rim. He was an "above average" finisher at the rim in 2018 who preferred to go left. He was a bad high-volume shooter from the mid-range and a below average three-point shooter off the dribble.

Beal, who was 24 at the time, was considered an "average" high volume isolation player and "average" pick-and-roll player. He was "good" finishing at the rim, "above average" on mid-range shots, "good" on catch-and-shoot looks, and "above average" on off-the-dribble threes. He was also considered "elite" when shooting against closeouts and "above average" when he dribbles.

The Raptors ultimately knocked off the Washington Wizards 4-2 in the first round but were swept by the Cleveland Cavaliers in the second round of the playoffs.
 
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hockeywiz542 said:
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Former Raptor Leaks 2018 Playoff Scouting Report on LeBron James, John Wall, & Bradley Beal

Former Toronto Raptors center Lucas Nogueira leaked the team's 2018 scouting reports vs. LeBron James, Bradley Beal, and John Wall
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Toronto's 2018 Scouting Report vs. LeBron James

The Toronto Raptors' 2018 scouting report for Cleveland Cavaliers star LeBron James

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Raptors Scouting Report vs. John Wall

The Toronto Raptors' 2018 scouting report for Washington Wizards guard John Wall

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Raptors Scouting Report for Bradley Beal

The Toronto Raptors' 2018 scouting report against Washington Wizards guard Bradley Beal

Former Raptors center Lucas "Bebe" Nogueira posted videos of Toronto's 2018 scouting reports on Instagram including the team's reports for LeBron James, Bradley Beal, and John Wall.

For James, there's not much to critique. He was considered a "good" ball handler in pick-and-roll situations and "excellent" as the screener who popped twice as often as he rolled, per the report. He was "elite" at finishing near the rim but an "average" mid-range shooter. Similarly, he was "good" as a three-point shooter off-the-dribble but just "average" in catch-and-shoot opportunities and much better shooting to his left compared to his right. He was an "excellent" shooter on the drive but an "average" passer while driving. Defensively, the Raptors considered him "below average" defending the ball handler or screener in pick-and-roll situations.

With Wall, the scouting report suggests dropping in pick-and-roll coverage to prevent him from finishing at the rim. He was an "above average" finisher at the rim in 2018 who preferred to go left. He was a bad high-volume shooter from the mid-range and a below average three-point shooter off the dribble.

Beal, who was 24 at the time, was considered an "average" high volume isolation player and "average" pick-and-roll player. He was "good" finishing at the rim, "above average" on mid-range shots, "good" on catch-and-shoot looks, and "above average" on off-the-dribble threes. He was also considered "elite" when shooting against closeouts and "above average" when he dribbles.

The Raptors ultimately knocked off the Washington Wizards 4-2 in the first round but were swept by the Cleveland Cavaliers in the second round of the playoffs.
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These seem ultra basic. Honestly, I'd fire the scout/coach responsible for creating this analysis (Casey did get canned in 2018). You'd think they would include favoured moves in various locations to assist the defenders.
 
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The NBA returns to MONTREAL! Toronto Raptors vs. Boston Celtics, October 2022!

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I am thinking about going to this. The last time I was in Montreal I wore my Raptors hat and so many people were complimenting me. It was kind of weird, I was wondering if they actually loved the team a lot or that if getting access to the team's apparell was an issue.
 
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One thing I believe what sets the Raptors organization above the other pro franchises in this city. The Raps always seem to have real characters and work they all work really hard. They may not always haves the flashy players every year BUT they always seem to acquire hard workers with great character. Which also seems to be what Masai is like. I give that organization alot of credit.
 
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