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canucksfan100 said:
Its interesting, Barnes needs to either improve his speed or jumper to be effective offensively. Right now hes not quick enough to beat people off the dribble like Giannis and his jumper isnt good enough to be a threat from the perimeter. He stuck as being a lockdown wing right now with good passing ability but to truly be a significant player in this league one of those things need to be improved. If he can't improve his jumper he's going to be bench player at the NBA Level.

If he can improve his speed/quickness he can become a Giannis clone if he can improve both, he may be one of the best players in the league. Problem is I don't see him developing that ability to blow by players because of the lack of quickness, it's not a skill that can be developed and because of that I think he ceiling maybe OG Anunoby with a worst jumper.

If you look at Giannis he already had the quickness and length but was lacking the muscle and ball handling, once he gained that muscle and improved his Handles a bit, he became the MVP caliber player he is.

Maybe putting him on a better diet and cardio workout improves that or maybe just improving his handle will enable him to beat people off the dribble but I don't know. The Ceiling is high, the floor is low and the reality is average which for the 4th pick isnt the greatest, Suggs has his own issues but it comes down to high ceiling and Barnes has that but Suggs is has a higher floor and greater reality of being a impact NBA player
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Honestly after the pick and how the interview was done and what everyone was saying about him. That's the comparable I kept thinking of. I dont think he'll be Giannis, but I truly believe that's the reason why he picked this guy. The drive for it. Masai is very keen on those kind of players and after seeing the game, it seems like thats why he went for him. Let's hope for the best for sure.
 
canucksfan100 said:
Its interesting, Barnes needs to either improve his speed or jumper to be effective offensively. Right now hes not quick enough to beat people off the dribble like Giannis and his jumper isnt good enough to be a threat from the perimeter. He stuck as being a lockdown wing right now with good passing ability but to truly be a significant player in this league one of those things need to be improved. If he can't improve his jumper he's going to be bench player at the NBA Level.

If he can improve his speed/quickness he can become a Giannis clone if he can improve both, he may be one of the best players in the league. Problem is I don't see him developing that ability to blow by players because of the lack of quickness, it's not a skill that can be developed and because of that I think he ceiling maybe OG Anunoby with a worst jumper.

If you look at Giannis he already had the quickness and length but was lacking the muscle and ball handling, once he gained that muscle and improved his Handles a bit, he became the MVP caliber player he is.

Maybe putting him on a better diet and cardio workout improves that or maybe just improving his handle will enable him to beat people off the dribble but I don't know. The Ceiling is high, the floor is low and the reality is average which for the 4th pick isnt the greatest, Suggs has his own issues but it comes down to high ceiling and Barnes has that but Suggs is has a higher floor and greater reality of being a impact NBA player
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At this point we don't even know if Suggs will be better than Flynn. That's not even a shot at Suggs but that's more of a compliment to Flynn because he showed last season when he got to play that he could play at the NBA level and even earned Rookie of the Month honours in April. Flynn and Suggs kind of look like they have the same kind of playstyle with Flynn being the better shooter and Suggs possibly being a bit better on defence.

As for Barnes, I don't think we drafted him because we thought he could be a Giannis. I think if anything he'll be a Draymond Green but even better overall.
 
I just watched the highlights from the summer league game yesterday. Barnes played as advertised all over the court, with more offensive flair than I expected. He definitely looks NBA ready.

Flynn was excellent as well and looks poised to take advantage of the extra minutes he will get this season.
 
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Well, I don't think it'll be a good idea for Dragic to come here now after his comments. The NBA might also look into Dallas about tampering if he gets moved to Dallas or we buy him out and he signs there.
 
canucksfan100 said:
Its interesting, Barnes needs to either improve his speed or jumper to be effective offensively. Right now hes not quick enough to beat people off the dribble like Giannis and his jumper isnt good enough to be a threat from the perimeter. He stuck as being a lockdown wing right now with good passing ability but to truly be a significant player in this league one of those things need to be improved. If he can't improve his jumper he's going to be bench player at the NBA Level.

If he can improve his speed/quickness he can become a Giannis clone if he can improve both, he may be one of the best players in the league. Problem is I don't see him developing that ability to blow by players because of the lack of quickness, it's not a skill that can be developed and because of that I think he ceiling maybe OG Anunoby with a worst jumper.

If you look at Giannis he already had the quickness and length but was lacking the muscle and ball handling, once he gained that muscle and improved his Handles a bit, he became the MVP caliber player he is.

Maybe putting him on a better diet and cardio workout improves that or maybe just improving his handle will enable him to beat people off the dribble but I don't know. The Ceiling is high, the floor is low and the reality is average which for the 4th pick isnt the greatest, Suggs has his own issues but it comes down to high ceiling and Barnes has that but Suggs is has a higher floor and greater reality of being a impact NBA player
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Quickness and being a speed demon isn't something you can develop (within reason) typically..........you either have it or you don't imo.

I still however have faith that Barnes can be that superstar we need him to be.
 
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Well, I don't think it'll be a good idea for Dragic to come here now after his comments. The NBA might also look into Dallas about tampering if he gets moved to Dallas or we buy him out and he signs there.
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Even the average players try and dictate where they should play. Unreal.
 
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we aint buying him out on an expiring contract, thats bad asset management and MU is too smart for that imo. he can sit and rot if he prefers. its the same situation that we had with lowry last year at the trade deadline. the FO isnt going to get bullied into anything and rightfully so.
 
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canucksfan100 said:
Its interesting, Barnes needs to either improve his speed or jumper to be effective offensively. Right now hes not quick enough to beat people off the dribble like Giannis and his jumper isnt good enough to be a threat from the perimeter. He stuck as being a lockdown wing right now with good passing ability but to truly be a significant player in this league one of those things need to be improved. If he can't improve his jumper he's going to be bench player at the NBA Level.

If he can improve his speed/quickness he can become a Giannis clone if he can improve both, he may be one of the best players in the league. Problem is I don't see him developing that ability to blow by players because of the lack of quickness, it's not a skill that can be developed and because of that I think he ceiling maybe OG Anunoby with a worst jumper.

If you look at Giannis he already had the quickness and length but was lacking the muscle and ball handling, once he gained that muscle and improved his Handles a bit, he became the MVP caliber player he is.

Maybe putting him on a better diet and cardio workout improves that or maybe just improving his handle will enable him to beat people off the dribble but I don't know. The Ceiling is high, the floor is low and the reality is average which for the 4th pick isnt the greatest, Suggs has his own issues but it comes down to high ceiling and Barnes has that but Suggs is has a higher floor and greater reality of being a impact NBA player
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You lost me when you said quickness can’t be developed. That’s 100%, certifiably false.
 
ErnieLeafs said:
You lost me when you said quickness can’t be developed. That’s 100%, certifiably false.
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Errrr............ok then..........coming from someone who has had.a myriad of trainers and involvement in the sports world for their lifetime vs. someone who watches a ton of basketball on ESPN and deems themselves and expert.........got it.

Are fast twitch muscles genetic?


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Studies have found that most elite athletes have a specific genetic variant in a gene related to muscle composition called the ACTN3 gene. This variant causes muscle cells to produce alpha-actinin-3, a protein found in fast-twitch muscle fibers.

Sure he can develop these fibers however there is a limit. You aren't going to turn someone into a world class sprinter (or any type of athlete for that matter) no matter what type of training they do........but hey thanks for participating........
 
VancouverJagger said:
Errrr............ok then..........coming from someone who has had.a myriad of trainers and involvement in the sports world for their lifetime vs. someone who watches a ton of basketball on ESPN and deems themselves and expert.........got it.

Are fast twitch muscles genetic?


The genetic link

Studies have found that most elite athletes have a specific genetic variant in a gene related to muscle composition called the ACTN3 gene. This variant causes muscle cells to produce alpha-actinin-3, a protein found in fast-twitch muscle fibers.

Sure he can develop these fibers however there is a limit. You aren't going to turn someone into a world class sprinter (or any type of athlete for that matter) no matter what type of training they do........but hey thanks for participating........
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I mean, you could consult any college athletics program in the united states as a start. If you don’t think kids can become quicker, you’re wrong.

Now, fast twitch athletes are different. It’s the difference between and edge-setter or an elite pass rusher.

Quickness can be improved. It happens all the time
 
ErnieLeafs said:
I mean, you could consult any college athletics program in the united states as a start. If you don’t think kids can’t become quicker, you’re wrong.

Now, fast twitch athletes are different. It’s the difference between and edge-setter or an elite pass rusher.

Quickness can be improved. It happens all the time
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No shit quickness can be improved........however if you aren't super quick to start with.........the chances of you becoming so are slim...........that was my point........
 
VancouverJagger said:
No shit quickness can be improved........however if you aren't super quick to start with.........the chances of you becoming so are slim...........that was my point........
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well make that point without making false claims? I dunno, you seem annoyed at the wrong person in this conversation :laugh:
 
VancouverJagger said:
Gotcha.......I'll make sure to grab my crayons and spell it out gooder next time for you..........:help:
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The guy who couldn’t convey a simple point is talking about making it easier for me?

learn to convey your point accurately. Your inability to articulate isn’t my problem, *ip*hit
 

Kings, Clippers, Warriors showing trade interest in Siakam | The Sacramento Bee

Kings general manager Monte McNair is looking to make a major move with eyes on some of the biggest prizes in the NBA trade market.

Multiple sources tell The Sacramento Bee the Kings have shown interest in both Ben Simmons and Pascal Siakam, the two most prominent names linked to Sacramento since the trade and free agency frenzy began. Some remain skeptical the Kings can pull off that kind of deal, but McNair wants to make a major move as pressure to win begins to build within the organization 11 months after he was hired, sources said.

Talks could pick up this week, with all 30 teams convening in Las Vegas, where the Kings will play the Charlotte Hornets in their summer league opener at 3 p.m. Monday at UNLV’s Thomas & Mack Center. Outside the organization, there is a perception that Sacramento’s new front office is already “feeling the heat” from Kings owner Vivek Ranadive.

A source with knowledge of the situation in Toronto said the Raptors are receiving numerous calls about Siakam and team president Masai Ujiri is “listening like a good negotiator.” The Kings, Golden State Warriors and Los Angeles Clippers are said to be particularly “enamored” with Siakam. A trade is possible, but not likely, the source said, adding Siakam has no desire to be moved despite the possibility of a rebuilding situation in Toronto.

The Raptors are at a crossroads under Ujiri, who reached a new deal Thursday to remain in Toronto as vice chairman and president. Kawhi Leonard and Kyle Lowry, the key pieces from Toronto’s 2019 NBA championship team, are gone. Leonard left to sign with the Los Angeles Clippers in July 2019, less than a month after leading the Raptors over the Warriors in the NBA Finals. Lowry, who spent nine seasons in Toronto, just left in a sign-and-trade agreement with the Miami Heat. That deal is now the subject of a tampering investigation, but the NBA is not expected to void the trade.

Ujiri will have to decide where the Raptors go from here. Some reports suggest Toronto might be willing to trade Siakam, 27, who is entering the second year of a four-year, $136.9 million contract. He is owed $33 million in 2021-22, $35.4 million in 2022-23 and $37.9 million in 2023-24.

Speculation about Siakam’s future with the Raptors has only intensified since Toronto selected Scottie Barnes with the No. 4 pick in the NBA draft. Barnes is viewed as a possible long-term replacement for Siakam, but the Raptors must decide if they are rebuilding or simply retooling a roster that still includes Fred VanVleet, Gary Trent Jr., O.G. Anunoby, Chris Boucher and Khem Birch.
 
Feedback on what Miami Heat is getting with Kyle Lowry | Miami Herald

▪ The concern with Lowry — and it’s a legitimate one — is durability. He will turn 36 toward the end of next season. He has missed 26 games last season, 14 the previous season and 17 the year before that.

As ESPN’s Zach Lowe wrote: “Small guards don’t tend to age well, but Lowry fits some of the characteristics of one we might expect to buck that trend: smart, stout physically, ace shooter, and someone who didn’t pile up as much wear and tear as a reserve early in his career. Still, Lowry’s age places this nucleus on a short, urgent timetable. They have to win immediately. Even minor slippage from Lowry torpedoes that plan.”

We’re told Dallas finished second behind the Heat for Lowry; he was intrigued by the Mavericks, who were willing to meet his price tag, but he preferred playing with Butler in Miami.

New Orleans was willing to go to $90 million over three years or more, according to a source, but Lowry never leaned toward going there, according to the source. Lowry took three years and $85 million from Miami.
 
Any deal for Siakam (and I don’t believe there will be one) would require significant capital in return. Count the Clippers out, right away. They don’t have the pieces.

How much can you pry from Golden State? Wiseman, Kuminga, and Wiggins (for cap purposes)? Two of those and Moody?

Who are the Kings willing to part with to get the deal done? Fox is a non-starter, obviously.

The Warriors are the only team with real pieces that intrigue me, personally, but I’m way more than happy for Siakam to stay.
 
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Hold onto Dragic if for nothing else than leverage. If everyone thinks the Raptors want to dump him the price goes down… let Dallas and whoever else up the ante before they move him.

… and when they do, come with a press release of “Dragic wasn’t our preferred player, we had higher ambitions”
 
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I hope we trade Dragic sooner then later. Or even sit him if it comes down to it. We don’t want that character on our team.
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Dallas is either over paying for him or he's sitting back home for a year imo. Guys 35 years old with 1 more year on his deal so he doesn't have any leverage for a trade because we got him for a player we were losing anyways.
 
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