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Raptors Discussion: v95|Masai's back! The panic and dread can now end.
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djdev
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meh, i think that original quote was before the trade, he said this to grange:
he owned up to it and apologized, as long as he plays his best i dont really care what he said, every player wants to play for a contender, especially as his career is coming to and end.
no harm no foul imo.
he owned up to it and apologized, as long as he plays his best i dont really care what he said, every player wants to play for a contender, especially as his career is coming to and end.
no harm no foul imo.
A1LeafNation
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Bench him. It's not like we need him. Send a message to him and the rest of the NBA.
Who does that benefit?
Hold him until you get an offer you like. If it doesn’t come, let him start the season and put him in a position to be successful. A contender will want him, whether it’s now or closer to the deadline… and injuries to key players are always a huge part in dictating teams desperation to make a move. Most are an injury or two away from being desperate for depth/bench scoring. Dragic is a good scorer and playmaker in the pnr - he’ll be high on the list for a lot of teams.
Raptors should be all about business. Be fair to Dragic and do what’s best for the team to maximize the asset.
That’s the message you want to send.
A1LeafNation
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How many players come here with that same nonsense.
Time to bench them so future players learn to be professionals when they come here.
Should we continue to let them pout and get their way? If we are rebuilding this is the best time to start sending those messages.
We have a chip, we should be all about business now and not letting mediocre players (prisoners) run the asylum.
Who cares? It’s not for everyone, let him think what he wants.
Bench an asset they’re trying to maximize a return for?
He didn’t get his way. The Raptors are having theirs in not trading him for less than the value they’ve placed.
Holding onto him for the right price isn’t letting the inmates run the asylum.
As a pending free agent, if they do him dirty and hurt his money on the next contract, that will be a very bad look. The players stick together, and that will get everyone’s attention for all the wrong reasons.
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All I ask is that the Raptors be absolutely ruthless in getting the most out of this asset and get back to success. None of this good PR, good guy stuff really matters at the end of the day when people in the basketball world like to pretend Toronto is some random backwater and disrespects the organization, city and fanbase. The book on Toronto is already nonsense.
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djdev
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i mean if you read grange's article after the guy is clearly remorseful and said that wasnt what he meant. according to him, what he said was this:
“I told them that I had spent seven years in Miami and that would be the preferred destination for me because my family is there and everything, not Toronto.”
completely understandable imo, in his interview he seemed completely fine coming here, there are just some issues with his kids only knowing one place etc.
people should probably cut him a break imo.
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That’s damage control and completely self inflicted.
djdev
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ye because the media has never taken anything out of context before, especially in a foreign language.
also, he made the comments on august 3rd, 3 days before he was even officially traded, so who cares?
its not the first time nor last time an athlete would prefer not to be traded from a team he/she has played a significant amount of their careers with.
hes a good player who will play for us or help us get more assets. thats it really.
tbh i wouldnt even put it past this team to be better than miami this year.
Maplebeasts
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Funny enough, Cade and Mobley (My top 2) had the worst debuts of the top 5 in summer league by far. All 3 of Scottie, Suggs and Green had great debuts. You can tell that Suggs' game is very refined and polished. Would not surprised to see him and Green be regular big time contributors already. Scottie might take a couple of years but his potential is really hard to overstate.
For sure. All about the business… I’m just saying it serves no benefit for the Raptors be in their feelings and bench him because of what he said in the media. If they can’t get a deal done prior to the season, they should play him and try to maximize his contributions to drive up the price.
Putting him on the shelf would be not only petty, but it’s also unlikely to raise his value or make him more attractive.
HockeyGuruPitka
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Even though we have all fallen in love with Barnes, Suggs was and still is a home run talent
Drafting him would make Flynn almost irrelevant and I think raps have high hopes for Flynn. Which is why they went with Barnes. Flynn was as good if not better then Suggs in their first summer league games this year
Eyedea
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Yeah it's pretty clear Flynn is advanced for summer league ball.
I think the Barnes pick is as much or more about management’s belief in Malachi, as it was about anything else. Suggs makes Malachi redundant, and probably expendable. I think they believe Flynn can become an everyday PG in the league, and they’re going to give him the opportunity to prove it.
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LOL... this isn't the NHL. If you do that, you will NEVER sign a decent free agent ever. Players (and more importantly agents) would take notice.
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Maplebeasts
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Does that message happen to be "We don't want any free agents to sign with us".
I think they had Barnes higher anyway, but Flynn certainly doesn’t hurt that decision.
Ive been very impressed with Flynn. He’s certainly shown the potential to be a very good point guard in this league
Inside Chicago Bulls' $85 Million DeMar DeRozan Deal and Markkanen Freeze-out | Bleacher Report
How long could the standoff last? Goran Dragic remains in a similar limbo, which sources with knowledge of his standing with the Toronto Raptors said could potentially linger until September. Raptors officials sought to find a third team interested in acquiring Dragic from Toronto's sign-and-trade that sent Lowry to Miami, sources said, yet no front office was willing to exchange draft capital for a player they believe Toronto will ultimately buy out.
Raptors brass will meet with Dragic's team at Las Vegas Summer League to further discuss their situation, sources said. The veteran point guard, expectedly, has designs on playing in the postseason and has publicly conveyed his intrigue in teaming with countryman Luka Doncic in Dallas. Perhaps he and Markkanen will both end up as Mavericks at long last.
How long could the standoff last? Goran Dragic remains in a similar limbo, which sources with knowledge of his standing with the Toronto Raptors said could potentially linger until September. Raptors officials sought to find a third team interested in acquiring Dragic from Toronto's sign-and-trade that sent Lowry to Miami, sources said, yet no front office was willing to exchange draft capital for a player they believe Toronto will ultimately buy out.
Raptors brass will meet with Dragic's team at Las Vegas Summer League to further discuss their situation, sources said. The veteran point guard, expectedly, has designs on playing in the postseason and has publicly conveyed his intrigue in teaming with countryman Luka Doncic in Dallas. Perhaps he and Markkanen will both end up as Mavericks at long last.
Why is Goran Dragic a Raptor and not a Maverick right now? - The Athletic
Cato: I read the situation in the same manner, that the sign-and-trade’s details weren’t reported for all of last week due to ongoing negotiations the Raptors were having with other teams. Dallas was obviously one of them. They most wanted Lowry this summer, but they still needed a secondary playmaker and shot creator even after he didn’t choose them. They still need one, in the present tense, and there’s really no other options left.
Still, the Miami-Toronto deal has officially been announced. As you said, the Raptors are posturing as if they are perfectly happy keeping Dragic into the year. Logically, there’s no reason to think they should feel otherwise. While Dragic said what he did about not wanting to be in Toronto, I can’t imagine he would go any further than that. He’s not going to force his way out of town through discontent or absence. This leaves us exactly where we started: Dallas and Dragic being a mutually beneficial pairing, but Dallas clearly not yet willing to include any players it would need to to sway Toronto’s mind.
I’d imagine Dallas offered Dwight Powell and Trey Burke, or perhaps Willie Cauley-Stein, to which Toronto countered with Josh Green and Tyrell Terry as the add-ons to Powell. Those are the only meaningful prospects Dallas has, two players I believe we know Toronto liked in last year’s draft. From your perspective, what would it actually take for the Raptors to say yes?
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Cato: Dallas is more predisposed to trade Powell than Kleber, as Kleber is the more versatile of the two. The team wouldn’t want to trade Powell, either, for all the reasons you said. But the Mavs discussed trades involving Powell in the weeks leading up to free agency, and he would be the one who’d end up in this deal if it were up to them.
The front office may also become more willing to include someone like Josh Green if, say, he’s playing a limited role next season while the team’s struggling massively every time Doncic comes off the court. It’s a conceivable turn of events, if by no means a certain one. It’s not good business to give up the only first-round prospect they drafted in a three-year span for a 35-year-old on a one-year deal. But different people drafted Green — and, in fact, it’s been thoroughly reported at this point how the scouting department, which hasn’t had any turnover this offseason, wanted Saddiq Bey. These are all just factors that could turn the stalemate at hand into a completed deal.
There’s one more worth mentioning. We both know how much influence agents have over this league’s transactions, and it’s probable that Bill Duffy, agent to both Dragic and Doncic, sees them joining forces as mutually beneficial. Sometimes, agents can lean on executives for favors that might not otherwise make sense. I don’t think it makes much sense in this scenario for all the reasons you outlined, but it’s at least worth noting.
Cato: I read the situation in the same manner, that the sign-and-trade’s details weren’t reported for all of last week due to ongoing negotiations the Raptors were having with other teams. Dallas was obviously one of them. They most wanted Lowry this summer, but they still needed a secondary playmaker and shot creator even after he didn’t choose them. They still need one, in the present tense, and there’s really no other options left.
Still, the Miami-Toronto deal has officially been announced. As you said, the Raptors are posturing as if they are perfectly happy keeping Dragic into the year. Logically, there’s no reason to think they should feel otherwise. While Dragic said what he did about not wanting to be in Toronto, I can’t imagine he would go any further than that. He’s not going to force his way out of town through discontent or absence. This leaves us exactly where we started: Dallas and Dragic being a mutually beneficial pairing, but Dallas clearly not yet willing to include any players it would need to to sway Toronto’s mind.
I’d imagine Dallas offered Dwight Powell and Trey Burke, or perhaps Willie Cauley-Stein, to which Toronto countered with Josh Green and Tyrell Terry as the add-ons to Powell. Those are the only meaningful prospects Dallas has, two players I believe we know Toronto liked in last year’s draft. From your perspective, what would it actually take for the Raptors to say yes?
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Cato: Dallas is more predisposed to trade Powell than Kleber, as Kleber is the more versatile of the two. The team wouldn’t want to trade Powell, either, for all the reasons you said. But the Mavs discussed trades involving Powell in the weeks leading up to free agency, and he would be the one who’d end up in this deal if it were up to them.
The front office may also become more willing to include someone like Josh Green if, say, he’s playing a limited role next season while the team’s struggling massively every time Doncic comes off the court. It’s a conceivable turn of events, if by no means a certain one. It’s not good business to give up the only first-round prospect they drafted in a three-year span for a 35-year-old on a one-year deal. But different people drafted Green — and, in fact, it’s been thoroughly reported at this point how the scouting department, which hasn’t had any turnover this offseason, wanted Saddiq Bey. These are all just factors that could turn the stalemate at hand into a completed deal.
There’s one more worth mentioning. We both know how much influence agents have over this league’s transactions, and it’s probable that Bill Duffy, agent to both Dragic and Doncic, sees them joining forces as mutually beneficial. Sometimes, agents can lean on executives for favors that might not otherwise make sense. I don’t think it makes much sense in this scenario for all the reasons you outlined, but it’s at least worth noting.
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