BlueForever75
Registered User
- Oct 4, 2017
- 5,691
- 2,303
Raptors Discussion: v93 | Panic level rising significantly
- Thread starter The Nemesis
- Start date
- Status
saska sault
Registered User
Not much. You need to match salaries, so you will be taking on another 30 million veteran.. Looking around the league, not many have a player who would be available as an upgrade short or long term... Keep Lowry, asses the free agents during the off season. If nothing is a sure fire improvement, and fit. Bring Lowry back, hes far from an issue and great mentor for FVF, Flynn.
BlueForever75
Registered User
- Oct 4, 2017
- 5,691
- 2,303
I just think hes repetitive. And I believe the Raps are competitive without him with FVV, Flynn and Davis manning the point.
You would have to think he would be worth a 1st, and a couple of expiring contracts from someone. Maybe the Knicks.
saska sault
Registered User
Davis is a question mark until his legal issues are dealt with. He could be released if any contradicting information comes out... Flynn has promise but still yet to play an NBA game. He should play very sheltered minutes IMO.. FVF can definitely play point but you start to become thin for depth.
If the Raps are anywhere close to a playoff spot, which they will be. You don't trade your most iconic player in franchise history. Last year was strange.. But still, a couple bounces and a normal Siakim and we are in the East finals. The Raps have a great culture and fit with most players. Also why we dont see many trades,players are brought in for fit not just talent.
If we see some progression from OG, Boucher even Powell and Baynes/Len form a decent 5 duo.. They are a very strong team still. But who knows, Management has shown they will swing for the fences at the right point. Just dont see a rebuilding type move made this year.
IceColdBear
Registered User
- Apr 5, 2016
- 573
- 692
I dont think you'd get enough in return to warrant trading one of the Raptors all time greats.
613Leafer
Registered User
- May 26, 2008
- 13,031
- 3,979
Raptors are in a tough position. Not good enough to truly contend, not bad enough to tank, and Lowry is in the twilight of his career and not someone we can build around longterm.
Could be stuck in no man's land for multiple years before finally sliding into a rebuild.
Could be stuck in no man's land for multiple years before finally sliding into a rebuild.
lol what? They have a ton of cap space next offseason, zero bad contracts and a bunch of good, young, controllable assets that can be flipped if a superstar becomes available.
They're in a better position than like 25 teams in the league. They are nothing like a typical treadmill team.
They're in a better position than like 25 teams in the league. They are nothing like a typical treadmill team.
BAM
Registered User
- Nov 21, 2016
- 4,048
- 2,299
From coaching and talent alone they should be at least a middle of the pack playoff team for the next few years. That's assuming Siakam stays as is, if he can consistently play at the level the was at the beginning of the season then potentially a top 4 seed.
Just because Giannis resigned with the Bucks doesn't mean he's guaranteed to spend the rest of his contract there. He could easily demand a trade similar to what PG did if the Bucks are still going nowhere in 1-2 years time.
The Raptors just need to wait for the next disgruntled superstar to come along. I think a Harden for Siakam trade would be a good idea for the Raps but Masai most likely doesn't do that.
stickty111
Registered User
- Jan 23, 2017
- 27,264
- 34,240
stickty111
Registered User
- Jan 23, 2017
- 27,264
- 34,240
About time. An extremely overrated player. Maybe the sixers realise you can't go anywhere with your focal point being someone who can't shoot.
Swervin81
Leaf fan | YYZ -> SEA
Hoo boy. This isn't an ordinary tampering charge, there's apparently some real under the table shit apparently involving Kawhi's camp and the Clippers. Cap circumvention is a totally separate ballgame and a massive no-no - back in 2000, the Wolves got nailed for it and had to cough up 5 1st round picks after they had an under the table deal with Joe Smith. The Stepien rule doesn't exactly apply to punishments, so they can probably pillage the Clippers from 2027 onwards. They might not have a 1st for a decade lol.
613Leafer
Registered User
- May 26, 2008
- 13,031
- 3,979
Houston would want something like Siakem + multiple 1st rounders or pick swaps or whatever. I wouldn't touch that at all. Harden is 31, and isn't really a team player, vs Siakem who is 26 years old, and does play a well balanced game.
I don't see it making us a legit top contender right now, and it's definitely worse for us longterm.
dredeye
BJ Elitist/Hipster
- Mar 3, 2008
- 27,644
- 3,362
Well weren’t there reports that kawhi’s camp was trying to get all kinds of free shit for friends. Like jobs and houses. I remember seeing some crazy stuff
Lowry still Raptors' engine, but his destination after 2020-21 is unclear - Sportsnet.ca
Entering his 15th season and his ninth in Toronto, there are no surprises with Raptors franchise icon Kyle Lowry.
You knew – for example – that in his public comments (via conference call) since being eliminated in the playoffs back in September there would be some kidding, but not kidding pokes at the media who Lowry enjoys avoiding and jousting with equally, if only to disguise the fact that he’s actually fairly co-operative as long as it on his terms.
So, Kyle, how are you liking Tampa, was the softball opener:
“The adjustment is fine. I’m an American, so I’m in my homeland. I’ve got a nice place. We’re all there and set up and ready to go in the sense of being here,” he said. “They’ve done an unbelievable job with our practice facility, our locker room. They have done a great job with making everything as ‘home’ as possible.”
Now, wait for it …
“And it’s even better because you guys aren’t here.”
...................
But how will the movie end? Lowry is in the last year of his contract and not eligible for an extension.
Projecting Lowry as a Raptor beyond this season is nice to speculate about, but when his age-35 season rolls around, Lowry will likely be in demand and in search of a ring, in Toronto or elsewhere.
Discussions with Raptors president Masai Ujiri and general manager Bobby Webster about his future with the team aren’t on his day planner for the moment.
“No, we haven’t (talked)” Lowry said. “My goal is to stay focussed on trying to win a championship with the Toronto Raptors. That has always been my goal. I will let the other stuff play itself out."
“Of course, at some point, the conversation will happen, but right now let’s just get started. Let’s get into the regular season. Let’s get going and set the goal that we have and that is to win a championship. Other than that, I haven’t talked to those guys about my personal career after this year. We haven’t talked. Right now, it’s all about just getting ourselves going and get ourselves to start the season and get going here in Tampa and be in a good spot.”
Entering his 15th season and his ninth in Toronto, there are no surprises with Raptors franchise icon Kyle Lowry.
You knew – for example – that in his public comments (via conference call) since being eliminated in the playoffs back in September there would be some kidding, but not kidding pokes at the media who Lowry enjoys avoiding and jousting with equally, if only to disguise the fact that he’s actually fairly co-operative as long as it on his terms.
So, Kyle, how are you liking Tampa, was the softball opener:
“The adjustment is fine. I’m an American, so I’m in my homeland. I’ve got a nice place. We’re all there and set up and ready to go in the sense of being here,” he said. “They’ve done an unbelievable job with our practice facility, our locker room. They have done a great job with making everything as ‘home’ as possible.”
Now, wait for it …
“And it’s even better because you guys aren’t here.”
...................
But how will the movie end? Lowry is in the last year of his contract and not eligible for an extension.
Projecting Lowry as a Raptor beyond this season is nice to speculate about, but when his age-35 season rolls around, Lowry will likely be in demand and in search of a ring, in Toronto or elsewhere.
Discussions with Raptors president Masai Ujiri and general manager Bobby Webster about his future with the team aren’t on his day planner for the moment.
“No, we haven’t (talked)” Lowry said. “My goal is to stay focussed on trying to win a championship with the Toronto Raptors. That has always been my goal. I will let the other stuff play itself out."
“Of course, at some point, the conversation will happen, but right now let’s just get started. Let’s get into the regular season. Let’s get going and set the goal that we have and that is to win a championship. Other than that, I haven’t talked to those guys about my personal career after this year. We haven’t talked. Right now, it’s all about just getting ourselves going and get ourselves to start the season and get going here in Tampa and be in a good spot.”
3:23 | December 17, 2020
Michael Grange joined Sportsnet Central to discuss what it would take for the Raptors to keep Kyle Lowry in Toronto and if the team would move him before the NBA’s trade deadline.
Maplebeasts
I See Demons!!!!!
You do not trade for Harden unless you don't give up either Lowry or Siakam. If you do it it's because you want to win now. Personally I wouldn't. Flynn looks like the real deal so far and our future would be gutted.
BAM
Registered User
- Nov 21, 2016
- 4,048
- 2,299
1. Yes he absolutely is, he was part of a big 3 that made the Finals when he was only 22 years old and was on that stacked 2012 Olympic team. On a team with KD and Westbrook he was the primary ball-handler in case you want any indication as to the level he is on offensively. Swapping Siakam for Harden alone would make the Raps a top 5 offence.
2. Harden is 31 and the Raps would have him for 2 MVP caliber seasons.
Siakam would give the Raps what? Can he shoot well as a 1st option? Can he pass well as a 1st option? Can he dribble well? Does he have any move other than spinning? And oh btw that's the guy who's your highest paid player of the future.
You're saying you'd rather have 5 seasons of a 26 year old 2C over 2 seasons of a 31 year old top 5 C. This isn't hockey where depth wins in the playoffs...it's star power. It's like Lebron and the Cavs taught some of you nothing.
Staying with Siakam caps the Raptors ceiling. Harden gives them a puncher's chance at the finals at least. The Raptors lost game 7 against the Celtics in the last minute and Siakam played like trash all series. You're replacing that dude with a one-man army on offence and a very good defender in the post despite his reputation.
Siakam's "well balanced" game? LOL he was the 2nd or 3rd option on a team that won the chip. You could argue Lowry played a more important role or even FVV once it was the ECF. You seriously think Harden can't do what Siakam did as a 2nd option in his sleep?
In 2018 Harden + Paul took the Warriors to 7 games in the WCF, those same Warriors swept Lebron in the finals, who happened to sweep the Raptors that ECSF.
Why do you think the Pacers took the Raptors to game 7 a couple seasons ago in the 1st round? Despite the Raptors depth PG13 was by far the best player on the court. The Nets series at the beginning of the Lowry era? Same thing (Joe Johnson, D-Will, KG and Pierce >> DD and Lowry). Wall and Beal lead the Wizards sweep over the Raps because at his absolute best DD just isn't on the level of the Wall, Beal or Lowry.
Last edited:
BlueForever75
Registered User
- Oct 4, 2017
- 5,691
- 2,303
Would the Raptors be compensated anything due to Kwahi being owned by them at the time?
Cloned
Begging for Bega
- Aug 25, 2003
- 82,414
- 73,602
If the Clippers flop this year and get penalized with more draft picks lost, there is a non zero chance that this could be the Raptors starting lineup one year from now:
SF: Kawhi
SG: PG
PG: FVV
C: Siakam
PF: OG
(Note: this is dependent on both Kawhi and PG pulling a Durant-in-GS and signing for less than max. I think it’s possible given they may want to rebuild their legacies after flopping so hard in LA)
EDIT: Never mind, PG signed a extension already. Even better, use the money on somebody who can actually play in the playoffs.
SF: Kawhi
SG: PG
PG: FVV
C: Siakam
PF: OG
(Note: this is dependent on both Kawhi and PG pulling a Durant-in-GS and signing for less than max. I think it’s possible given they may want to rebuild their legacies after flopping so hard in LA)
EDIT: Never mind, PG signed a extension already. Even better, use the money on somebody who can actually play in the playoffs.
Last edited:
TheBeastCoast
Registered User
We got our championship.
We are in that window where we cruise out with the guys that got us there before we rebuild (LA Kings / Penguins / Blackhawks style)
Cloned
Begging for Bega
- Aug 25, 2003
- 82,414
- 73,602
Oh, I missed it.
Even better. Use the money on somebody that can actually play in the playoffs.
- Status
