GDT: USA vs FIN Final - 2/22/14 @ 7:00am PST (NBCSN)

[Degenerate]

What? No, I wasn't. I was being sarcastic. Is that what everyone thinks? Why would I actually want to see Brown do bad?

Everyone is just touchy and riled up because we lost.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

http://espn.go.com/olympics/winter/...-feeling-pretty-low-bronze-medal-loss-finland

Dustin Brown was a force for the Los Angeles Kings when they won a Stanley Cup in 2012 and won a silver with the U.S. four years ago. But apart from a sterling effort against the Czech Republic in the quarterfinals, this was a difficult tournament for the Kings captain, who happened to be on the ice for the first two Finland goals. He played 26 seconds in the second period and just 1:17 in the third.

"I'm not happy about it," Brown said. "It's the coach's job to figure out the best chance to win. If that's what he thinks is ... I'm a player, he's a coach, that's how it works."

Brown was among a core of players whose experience in Vancouver was supposed to help this team avoid this kind of disappointment.

"It's definitely not a pretty sight. The score's obviously not pretty at all," Brown said. "It's hard to explain. I don't really have an answer for you, quite honestly."

Brown was asked if the U.S. quit.

"I don't think we quit," Brown insisted.

If they didn't quit, they sure did unravel, as the Finns pumped three goals by Quick in the third period, two on the power play as the frustrated Americans paraded through the penalty box.

 

[Little Psycho]

@helenenothelen: Cam Fowler: 'I feel bad for Quickie. He really put us on his back all tournament. We didn’t do a good enough job in front of him today.'

Sigh...quick

 

[KingsFan7824]

This year just keeps getting worse for Brown.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

@helenenothelen: Cam Fowler: 'I feel bad for Quickie. He really put us on his back all tournament. We didn’t do a good enough job in front of him today.'

Sigh...quick

At least the players recognize it. Poor guy

Willing to bet the U.S. will be one of the youngest teams next time around, too, so guys like Fowler getting some experience is a good thing.

 

[damacles1156]

There won't be a next time, thank god.

NHL owners and GM's, please put the Games out of their misery.

 

[Nizar]

congrats to old man Teemu Selänne.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Simply that the rooting against/trading of/hoping they suck of Kings players results from it. It's bizarro-Kingsboard.



Don't get me wrong, I think criticism is very warranted. But I also think it's clear that this season (and potentially going forward, depending on what happens) he is hampered. It's not like someone dropped (another) an anvil on his head and he suddenly regressed. In a whole career of 50-60 points, hundreds of hits/near the league leaders, and captaining a team from the depths of the league to the stanley cup, we're collectively suddenly ready to proclaim his decline and discard him? I'm willing to give that player, the one who has laid his whole career on the line for this team, more than half a season to get his **** straight.

This is exactly what I'm talking about in the overrating of Brown. Look at his entire collective playoff/big stage career and it's rather underwhelming outside of 2012. And let's not forget that it was Richards, not Brown, who came into the 2012 postseason setting a tone that Brown merely followed.

I'm not saying Brown is terrible but his entire career/persona has gotten so overblown that he's considered this heart and soul game breaking leader when he's just not. He piled up a lot of points in 2013 postseason but when you really look at each series he was still playing an ancillary role. It was guys like Kopitar, Doughty, Richards, and Carter breaking games. But everyone remembers that Sedin hit and thus Brown is vaulted into a tier he simply isn't talented enough to belong.

Brown has always given 150% effort and can be a good captain for that alone. But the best aspect of his game, his physical play, has been under a disciplinary microscope since last season. It has changed the way he plays and we've all seen how ineffective he is as a hockey player when that part of his game is missing.

tl;dr Brown's leadership skills are vastly overrated and the best part of his game (physicality) has been nerfed by the league

 

[Scottkmlps]

There won't be a next time, thank god.

NHL owners and GM's, please put the Games out of their misery.

There will be a next time. Bettman isn't going to give up the exposure the NHL gets from sending NHL players. Not a chance in hell he gives that up.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

This is exactly what I'm talking about in the overrating of Brown. Look at his entire collective playoff/big stage career and it's rather underwhelming outside of 2012. And let's not forget that it was Richards, not Brown, who came into the 2012 postseason setting a tone that Brown merely followed.

I'm not saying Brown is terrible but his entire career/persona has gotten so overblown that he's considered this heart and soul game breaking leader when he's just not. He piled up a lot of points in 2013 postseason but when you really look at each series he was still playing an ancillary role. It was guys like Kopitar, Doughty, Richards, and Carter breaking games. But everyone remembers that Sedin hit and thus Brown is vaulted into a tier he simply isn't talented enough to belong.

Brown has always given 150% effort and can be a good captain for that alone. But the best aspect of his game, his physical play, has been under a disciplinary microscope since last season. It has changed the way he plays and we've all seen how ineffective he is as a hockey player when that part of his game is missing.

tl;dr Brown's leadership skills are vastly overrated and the best part of his game (physicality) has been nerfed by the league

What in the world?

The guy is a 50-60 point league leader in hits. Are people expecting more? This sounds more like projection of an unrealistic expectation. He's a complimentary player and a leader through effort/example. I literally have not seen one person suggest he's anything more than that.

 

[kingsholygrail]

I hate to interrupt the "let's throw Brown under the bus" party, but Patrick Kane had 0 goals for the entire tournament.

0.

Kessel?

0 in the elimination games.

Kesler?

0 in the elimination games...

Pavelski?

0 in the elimination games...

I mean come on.

 

[Scottkmlps]

I hate to interrupt the "let's throw Brown under the bus" party, but Patrick Kane had 0 goals for the entire tournament.

0.

Kessel?

0 in the elimination games.

Kesler?

0 in the elimination games...

Pavelski?

0 in the elimination games...

I thought Parise was the worst of any US forward. That guy gave took the definition of playing like *** to a whole nother level. He was given the captaincy? Really? For what? I'm sorry, but there was players more deserving to be sat this game than Brown.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Brown definitely wasn't the reason the offense for the U.S. team evaporated, but considering this is a Kings board and we're looking at how Kings players performed, I was very disappointed by Brown's play in the last two games. He played his way onto the bench.

I was expecting him to step up more, like he did against the Czechs, but like he has done for most of this season, we get a glimpse of the Brown we hope to see for the stretch run, but then he reverts back to playing the way he has for most of the season.

 

[Virtanen18]

You know what really pisses me off about this? Since we massively disappointed, I think this hurts the public perception of hockey in the country. As much as I hate this attitude, America loves a winner and if you can't win, then nobody cares. In this case, I guess people will care less.

Seems that way. When USA was doing great in the group stages, all the Americans are foaming at the mouth that they were dominated teams. Then after the loss to Canada yesterday, it's just like "yeah who cares? hockey isn't a big thing here anyways". Shame it comes to that.

 

[kingsholygrail]

I thought Parise was the worst of any US forward. That guy gave took the definition of playing like *** to a whole nother level. He was given the captaincy? Really? For what? I'm sorry, but there was players more deserving to be sat this game than Brown.

I'm not trying to be funny here, but I actually forgot he was on the team.

So yeah, Zach Parise?

0 goals all tournament as well.

 

[Herby]

This is exactly what I'm talking about in the overrating of Brown. Look at his entire collective playoff/big stage career and it's rather underwhelming outside of 2012. And let's not forget that it was Richards, not Brown, who came into the 2012 postseason setting a tone that Brown merely followed.

I'm not saying Brown is terrible but his entire career/persona has gotten so overblown that he's considered this heart and soul game breaking leader when he's just not. He piled up a lot of points in 2013 postseason but when you really look at each series he was still playing an ancillary role. It was guys like Kopitar, Doughty, Richards, and Carter breaking games. But everyone remembers that Sedin hit and thus Brown is vaulted into a tier he simply isn't talented enough to belong.

Brown has always given 150% effort and can be a good captain for that alone. But the best aspect of his game, his physical play, has been under a disciplinary microscope since last season. It has changed the way he plays and we've all seen how ineffective he is as a hockey player when that part of his game is missing.

tl;dr Brown's leadership skills are vastly overrated and the best part of his game (physicality) has been nerfed by the league

You're selling Brown's role in 2012 short. Way Way Way short.

Game 2 at Vancouver Brown scores 2 SHG including the game winner. The next game he comes out and scores the only goal in a 1-0 win while destroying Henrik Sedin.

Game 1 at St. Louis, great individual effort driving down the ice, getting the puck to the net and allowing Greene to clean up. Game 2 breaks up a pass and feeds Kopitar, both SHG both game winners in a hostile environment.

And ofcourse the clinching game against NJ, another huge game for Brown.

Now, just like my views on Richards who like Brown was great in 2012 and is garbage in 2014, all that stuff in 2012 means nothing today, but you can't sit here and say Brown wasn't amazing in that run, it's just not fair.

There will be a next time. Bettman isn't going to give up the exposure the NHL gets from sending NHL players. Not a chance in hell he gives that up.

Also if Canada wins tomorrow I have a hard time seeing Bettman pissing off his largest fanbase by not letting them defend their Gold.

I'd give it 80% that the NHL is in Pyeongchang.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Yeah, the whole NHL won't play in 2018 was started by an idiot sports guy. The NHL's official stance right now is undecided and that will remain that way until 2017. They won't make a major business decision like that now. They will wait and see how things are developing in a few years. I think it's very likely the NHL goes to the Olympics, especially after the assurance that womens hockey isn't going anywhere.

 

[Virtanen18]

Yeah, the whole NHL won't play in 2018 was started by an idiot sports guy. The NHL's official stance right now is undecided and that will remain that way until 2017. They won't make a major business decision like that now. They will wait and see how things are developing in a few years. I think it's very likely the NHL goes to the Olympics, especially after the assurance that womens hockey isn't going anywhere.

Dreger and Bob McKenzie aren't really idiot sports guys, but I agree with you. Doubt they would block the players from going, that would really piss off the PA.

 

[Scottkmlps]

Brown definitely wasn't the reason the offense for the U.S. team evaporated, but considering this is a Kings board and we're looking at how Kings players performed, I was very disappointed by Brown's play in the last two games. He played his way onto the bench.

I was expecting him to step up more, like he did against the Czechs, but like he has done for most of this season, we get a glimpse of the Brown we hope to see for the stretch run, but then he reverts back to playing the way he has for most of the season.

I agree, but Brown did not deserve to be sat for most of the 2nd & 3rd periods over some of the other players that have already been listed in this thread.
Even as a Canadian I wanted to see the US get a medal. It would've been nice to see Quick and Brown come home with a medal.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Dreger and Bob McKenzie aren't really idiot sports guys, but I agree with you. Doubt they would block the players from going, that would really piss off the PA.

They're both getting more and more derpy with all the rumors lately. I swear there's already four players that are supposed to be on the Kings right now all for Kyle Clifford. lol

 

[Ron*]

There will be a next time. Bettman isn't going to give up the exposure the NHL gets from sending NHL players. Not a chance in hell he gives that up.

No, there won't be a next time because the owners are sick and tired of this and they just aren't going to let their star players get injured and screw with their team's respective season ticket holders. One only has to see the Islanders' GM's reaction to Taveres' injury to have a vision into what the future is gonna be in 2018.

And look at how many players gave a half-hearted effort to avoid injury in the first place. I'm not gonna quote the post above but there are a lot of zeroes up there. Zero for zero effort.

 

[Degenerate]

No, there won't be a next time because the owners are sick and tired of this and they just aren't going to let their star players get injured and screw with their team's respective season ticket holders. One only has to see the Islanders' GM's reaction to Taveres' injury to have a vision into what the future is gonna be in 2018.

And look at how many players gave a half-hearted effort to avoid injury in the first place. I'm not gonna quote the post above but there are a lot of zeroes up there. Zero for zero effort.

Uhhh...no one forced Taveres to play.

"Are the IIHF or IOC going to reimburse our season-ticket holders now? It's a joke," Snow said. "They want all the benefits from NHL players playing in the Olympics and don't want to pay when our best player gets hurt."

His argument is ********. One of his best players got hurt and all he cares about is the fact that his team might earn less money this season, greedy ****.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Garth Snow is lucky he even has season ticket holders.

 

[Herby]

No, there won't be a next time because the owners are sick and tired of this and they just aren't going to let their star players get injured and screw with their team's respective season ticket holders. One only has to see the Islanders' GM's reaction to Taveres' injury to have a vision into what the future is gonna be in 2018.

And look at how many players gave a half-hearted effort to avoid injury in the first place. I'm not gonna quote the post above but there are a lot of zeroes up there. Zero for zero effort.

Wrong wrong wrong.

Been hearing since 2002 that the NHL wasn't going to send players, every time they end up going because all the players and apparently most of the owners want it, ofcourse if you want to be on the side of Garth Snow and Ed Snider (the worst GM and Owner in the league), go right ahead.

Funny how some owners like Snider talk about the injury risk, but they have no problems proposing a World Cup during the summer, or all the stupid pre-season games the NHL has, ofcourse that's ok because they are lining their pockets with those. And how hysterical the league that still supports bare knuckle fighting suddenly acts like they give a crap about player safety, it's comical, but that is for another thread I guess.

The players will be there because the players overwhelmingly want to be there and the owners will use that fact to get some kind of token concession in CBA talks.

 

[King RAZZ]

They're both getting more and more derpy with all the rumors lately. I swear there's already four players that are supposed to be on the Kings right now all for Kyle Clifford. lol

I knew Clifford was good...but not 4 for 1 good...