Management UPDATE: Steve Staios GM and POHO, Dave Poulin Senior VP of Hockey Operations

[Relapsing]

Okay, he had some NHL experience on terrible teams.

Then, without having any GM experience, Dubas promotes himself and subsequently goes on to be a terrible GM in Toronto and now in Pittsburgh.

... you know he was talking about Staios, right?

Dubas (according to his wiki page) played hockey until 14 when concussions took him out of the game.

 

[DueDiligence]

This whole thing f***ing stinks and the only thing I can actually judge for his quality of work is the handling of the DJ firing, which was horribly executed in almost every conceivable way.

If you really believe that after the many blunders of the previous regime then I don't know what to say to you. EM and PD did some good things in their tenure but some of their mistakes were off the charts disastrous. The new ownership and management is far far better.

 

[Crosside]

Staios: Shane Pinto is a lot of what we're looking for in our players

Sens GM and President of Hockey Operations Steve Staios joins AJ Jakubec to talk about the team;s recent stretch of good play, Shane Pinto's return from suspension, possibility of Jacques Martin staying on full-time, Belleville update, and players garnering interest from clubs as the trade...

www.tsn.ca

 

[BankStreetParade]

If you really believe that after the many blunders of the previous regime then I don't know what to say to you. EM and PD did some good things in their tenure but some of their mistakes were off the charts disastrous. The new ownership and management is far far better.

You think letting the DJ situation continue to the point of disgrace, firing him in the middle of a Western road trip (which in and of itself is ridiculous), with the heaviest part of the schedule ahead of them was a fine way to handle that? I've already outlined multiple times how there were much better options from a schedule standpoint and from a performance standpoint that would have been a lot more ideal. Ultimately, we get another season that means absolutely nothing by December because they didn't fire the coach sooner and we're supposed to feel like it was handled just fine?

Who cares what the last guys did? We're judging the new guys now and for actions of significance. So what are you basing your assessment on that new management is "far far better"? Based on what?

 

[BankStreetParade]

Now there is some serious effort! Surely, you could have hit 25 contradicting complaints for a more round number?

The complaining will shift to the new group as time moves along and it can actually be considered their team. Right now, the new group gets the benefit of the doubt for a while until they've actually put their stamp on the team. I don't love a rookie POHO and would have said that in the past, but what's 1000 times more important than that is who is deciding who the POHO is. Same goes for the other positions. It's going to take time, but fans are going to be a lot more patient and make "excuses" for the new guys unlike the old ones they felt had already burned their grace with them. They're told to "get over it" and stop talking about those other guys, but this is still basically their team and the franchise is still recovering, so it's very relevant.

It really sucks that the sale dragged on. In hindsight, the best move for the franchise was obviously to clean house this past summer in an organized fashion being able to hire from a proper pool of available candidates.

It's this mentality that I don't really understand. This fanbase spent years complaining about a lack of accountability with the last guys and the new guys take over and suddenly accountability is not that important? It's just genuinely baffling that there's any pushback to critiquing the new GM/POHO. This is what we've talked about for f***ing years. It's almost the only thing this fanbase has talked about.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It's this mentality that I don't really understand. This fanbase spent years complaining about a lack of accountability with the last guys and the new guys take over and suddenly accountability is not that important? It's just genuinely baffling that there's any pushback to critiquing the new GM/POHO. This is what we've talked about for f***ing years. It's almost the only thing this fanbase has talked about.

 

[BankStreetParade]

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Is this you, babe?

 

[SensontheRush]

I'm eternally grateful that Staois and co. are taking the patient approach and haven't listened to the trigger-happy posters with their hands hovering over the nuke button suggesting we blow it up.

Yeah, bet we'd look REAL good now if we traded Batherson to "shake up the room".

 

[Beech]

What? Craig Button says he is the next GM in the summer?

So you are saying all of their intentions were to trick the fanbase but fumbled it.

Seems like a strong entrance.

Andlauer is no idiot. He knew the team. He knew that Dorion was not a good GM..

Dorion's reputation around the league is poor...

But Andlauer was in a difficult position. In June, he did not have the team. He did not know internal dynamics. So to come in and instantly fire Dorion, could have angered Dorion loyalists inside the team. Remember Brady T and his defense of Dorion!! Now add staff.

So, he brings in Staios in a POHO role.. probably gave him massive over-ride authority...effectively making him GM without the title. Scandal hits, Staios and Andlauer have now had a month to evaluate. They recognize, no danger in firing Dorion. They recognize that the fan base is in fact supportive.

Goodbye Pierre and Staios is made GM as initially intended.

Andlauer.. he is smart enough to know to test the water first, then jump in.

Jacques M is brought in as a "consultant".. for 2 weeks.. Andlauer sees the fans like it.. They see the players are okay, they see staff is okay.. Goodbye DJ.

It is Andlauer.

 

[Crosside]

Andlauer is no idiot. He knew the team. He knew that Dorion was not a good GM..

Dorion's reputation around the league is poor...

But Andlauer was in a difficult position. In June, he did not have the team. He did not know internal dynamics. So to come in and instantly fire Dorion, could have angered Dorion loyalists inside the team. Remember Brady T and his defense of Dorion!! Now add staff.

So, he brings in Staios in a POHO role.. probably gave him massive over-ride authority...effectively making him GM without the title. Scandal hits, Staios and Andlauer have now had a month to evaluate. They recognize, no danger in firing Dorion. They recognize that the fan base is in fact supportive.

Goodbye Pierre and Staios is made GM as initially intended.

Andlauer.. he is smart enough to know to test the water first, then jump in.

Jacques M is brought in as a "consultant".. for 2 weeks.. Andlauer sees the fans like it.. They see the players are okay, they see staff is okay.. Goodbye DJ.

It is Andlauer.

He don’t see the fan that we want Roy. But I blame more Staois and Poulin that don’t have the balls to hired Patrick. They were scared.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Playoff teams will want to bolster their line ups for a playoff run and add depth to their lineups. We are going to make some moves by or at the trade deadline. So there will be some moves made at the trade deadline and some moves will be made in the off season.

That’s a little different than your over the top, had to be done quickly and now post.

Yes the TDL moves will be for picks likely, as I mentioned.

 

[Golden_Jet]

You think letting the DJ situation continue to the point of disgrace, firing him in the middle of a Western road trip (which in and of itself is ridiculous), with the heaviest part of the schedule ahead of them was a fine way to handle that? I've already outlined multiple times how there were much better options from a schedule standpoint and from a performance standpoint that would have been a lot more ideal. Ultimately, we get another season that means absolutely nothing by December because they didn't fire the coach sooner and we're supposed to feel like it was handled just fine?

Who cares what the last guys did? We're judging the new guys now and for actions of significance. So what are you basing your assessment on that new management is "far far better"? Based on what?

In your opinion, a lot have differing opinions, so relax, and SS has answered your questions already,

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Staios interview from the Drive tsn1200 yesterday afternoon

Staios: Shane Pinto is a lot of what we're looking for in our players

Sens GM and President of Hockey Operations Steve Staios joins AJ Jakubec to talk about the team;s recent stretch of good play, Shane Pinto's return from suspension, possibility of Jacques Martin staying on full-time, Belleville update, and players garnering interest from clubs as the trade...

www.tsn.ca

 

[Senovision]

That’s a little different than your over the top, had to be done quickly and now post.

Yes the TDL moves will be for picks likely, as I mentioned.

And your point is? So you agree with me now that moves will be made. Yikes.
I don't understand your post at all.....as in what were you getting at....?
What I was saying is don't stand pat ...make some moves and hopefully they will.
That's what they get paid to do.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

It's this mentality that I don't really understand. This fanbase spent years complaining about a lack of accountability with the last guys and the new guys take over and suddenly accountability is not that important? It's just genuinely baffling that there's any pushback to critiquing the new GM/POHO. This is what we've talked about for f***ing years. It's almost the only thing this fanbase has talked about.

The cloud has been lifted. Nobody is going to go at these guys yet like they did the last group. You shouldn't be surprised by that. We waited like a flippin decade for an ownership change, so I think it's fair to say they get a grace period. In most peoples minds, the last group, particularly Melnyk, proved themselves incapable and lost all faith. EM gained the reputation of being a mean villain so the gloves really came off. It started so long ago it's hard to pin point when it even happened. The page had basically been turned before they were even gone. Written off. The new guys simply haven't burned that bridge, yet. I don't think others are at the same spot you are with how they're judging their decisions, so in large part it's a difference of opinion too. It's been a fairly steady stream of hiring reputable people. I get questioning SS as GM, but he hasn't made any moves yet and he wasn't hired by Melnyk, so I think people are a little more optimistic.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

He don’t see the fan that we want Roy. But I blame more Staois and Poulin that don’t have the balls to hired Patrick. They were scared.

YOU wanted Patrick Roy. Not most of the fans.

Most fans want a stable coach who works the team toward long term success.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

The cloud has been lifted. Nobody is going to go at these guys yet like they did the last group. You shouldn't be surprised by that. We waited like a flippin decade for an ownership change, so I think it's fair to say they get a grace period. In most peoples minds, the last group, particularly Melnyk, proved themselves incapable and lost all faith. EM gained the reputation of being a mean villain so the gloves really came off. It started so long ago it's hard to pin point when it even happened. The page had basically been turned before they were even gone. Written off. The new guys simply haven't burned that bridge, yet. I don't think others are at the same spot you are with how they're judging their decisions, so in large part it's a difference of opinion too. It's been a fairly steady stream of hiring reputable people. I get questioning SS as GM, but he hasn't made any moves yet and he wasn't hired by Melnyk, so I think people are a little more optimistic.

The Dorion/Melnyk/DJ (DMD) fan club is in a different reality.

Let's set the stage. Dorion and DJ submarine the team's chances to the tune of 5 losing seasons.

DMD fanclub member: We just need to to be more patient. We've had injuries. DJ deserves a longer look. This is not a coaching issue.

Fast forward 3 months. Andlauer and Staios fire Dorion after one month and can DJ after 26 games games of losing.

DMD fanclub member: This management group has no accountability!!!! They should have fired DJ way earlier!! They are just like MELNYK AND DORION!!!

Unbelievable.

 

[Crosside]

YOU wanted Patrick Roy. Not most of the fans.

Most fans want a stable coach who works the team toward long term success.

Exactly what Roy he his

 

[ijif]

Columbus Drafts 2000-2006 While Boyd was Dir of Amateur Scouting... Not impressive .. Doug Maclean was the GM in that time so hopefully that explains it. Check out that 2001 8th round pick haha

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Just a quick glance, but the list does not inspire confidence.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The cloud has been lifted. Nobody is going to go at these guys yet like they did the last group. You shouldn't be surprised by that. We waited like a flippin decade for an ownership change, so I think it's fair to say they get a grace period. In most peoples minds, the last group, particularly Melnyk, proved themselves incapable and lost all faith. EM gained the reputation of being a mean villain so the gloves really came off. It started so long ago it's hard to pin point when it even happened. The page had basically been turned before they were even gone. Written off. The new guys simply haven't burned that bridge, yet. I don't think others are at the same spot you are with how they're judging their decisions, so in large part it's a difference of opinion too. It's been a fairly steady stream of hiring reputable people. I get questioning SS as GM, but he hasn't made any moves yet and he wasn't hired by Melnyk, so I think people are a little more optimistic.

Do you not find incessantly complaining about posters complaining about a couple specific issues and wondering what they will complain about when changes are made , and now complaining about posters not complaining about a couple specific issues a strange way to converse on here. It's consistently combative. There is no point. This is classic meaningless arguing on the internet. Many memes on the subject.

 

[Norris4Norris]

Andlauer is no idiot. He knew the team. He knew that Dorion was not a good GM..

Dorion's reputation around the league is poor...

But Andlauer was in a difficult position. In June, he did not have the team. He did not know internal dynamics. So to come in and instantly fire Dorion, could have angered Dorion loyalists inside the team. Remember Brady T and his defense of Dorion!! Now add staff.

So, he brings in Staios in a POHO role.. probably gave him massive over-ride authority...effectively making him GM without the title. Scandal hits, Staios and Andlauer have now had a month to evaluate. They recognize, no danger in firing Dorion. They recognize that the fan base is in fact supportive.

Goodbye Pierre and Staios is made GM as initially intended.

Andlauer.. he is smart enough to know to test the water first, then jump in.

Jacques M is brought in as a "consultant".. for 2 weeks.. Andlauer sees the fans like it.. They see the players are okay, they see staff is okay.. Goodbye DJ.

It is Andlauer.

I see the logic behind Andlauer's moves and I like the guy, he seems down to earth to me.

I think it is likely that Staios will do well with this team. There are a lot of questions about the team and Staios has a lot of work to do.

My main worries are can Staios recognize talent effectively. Can he find a good defensive coach who can replace Martin? Can he hire a scouting staff that recognizes talent? etc.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Do you not find incessantly complaining about posters complaining about a couple specific issues and wondering what they will complain about when changes are made , and now complaining about posters not complaining about a couple specific issues a strange way to converse on here. It's consistently combative. There is no point. This is classic meaningless arguing on the internet. Many memes on the subject.

In a lot of ways, yes.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

The Dorion/Melnyk/DJ (DMD) fan club is in a different reality.

Let's set the stage. Dorion and DJ submarine the team's chances to the tune of 5 losing seasons.

DMD fanclub member: We just need to to be more patient. We've had injuries. DJ deserves a longer look. This is not a coaching issue.

Fast forward 3 months. Andlauer and Staios fire Dorion after one month and can DJ after 26 games games of losing.

DMD fanclub member: This management group has no accountability!!!! They should have fired DJ way earlier!! They are just like MELNYK AND DORION!!!

Unbelievable.

I do find there's a certain irony to fiery complaints thrown at the new guys from certain posters after they displayed the patience of a saint with the 3 stooge era, or in some cases, argued on their behalf or outright trolled about it.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I do find there's a certain irony to fiery complaints thrown at the new guys from certain posters after they displayed the patience of a saint with the 3 stooge era, or in some cases, argued on their behalf or outright trolled about it.

It's become increasingly obvious that Dorion and DJ were not at all good in their roles. By extension the defenders of those two (for years mind you) think they'll somehow be less wrong if the new people in those role(s) end up looking just as bad.

They're trying to will problems out of the ether in a misguided attempt to smear a group with half a season under their belt (with no offseason to implement their changes mind you). They think this will somehow make Dorion and/or DJ not look as bad.

It's bizarre, and yes even more ironic than 10000 spoons when all you need is a knife.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Some of you guys might actually be f***ing deranged or something. Like, all this tribalism and talking about allegiances to the "old guard"...give your heads a f***ing shake. There's pretty much no one here who gives 2 shits about Melnyk, Dorion or DJ. One guy is dead and the other 2 have been dismissed. You're so f***ing obsessed with these guys it's verging on a mental condition. Go get some fresh air or touch grass or something. You need to shake this mental block you have cause it's honestly absurd to still be reading about this shit almost 2 years after the f***ing guy died.

Exhibit 1,250,447:

It's become increasingly obvious that Dorion and DJ were not at all good in their roles. By extension the defenders of those two (for years mind you) think they'll somehow be less wrong if the new people in those role(s) end up looking just as bad.

They're trying to will problems out of the ether in a misguided attempt to smear a group with half a season under their belt (with no offseason to implement their changes mind you). They think this will somehow make Dorion and/or DJ not look as bad.

It's bizarre, and yes even more ironic than 10000 spoons when all you need is a knife.

Are the bad people in the room with you now?