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Hockey unveils 2022-23 nonconference slate - University of North Dakota Athletics
GRAND FORKS, N.D. – North Dakota head hockey coach Brad Berry announced the completion of the nonconference schedule on Wednesday, rounding out the entire 2022-23
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GRAND FORKS — Dylan James admits he was a bit nervous before the 2021-22 hockey season.
In the previous 18 months, James barely played any hockey.
He got in just seven games during 2020-21 due to coronavirus pandemic restrictions and shutdowns in Alberta. Then, the UND commit attempted to make the jump to the United States Hockey League, a big step up from his previous spot, the Alberta Junior Hockey League.
"I didn't know how I was going to do," James said. "It's a harder league than the AJ. I came in and worked hard. That was my main point. I thought the success would come from that."
It did
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In the previous 18 months, James barely played any hockey.
He got in just seven games during 2020-21 due to coronavirus pandemic restrictions and shutdowns in Alberta. Then, the UND commit attempted to make the jump to the United States Hockey League, a big step up from his previous spot, the Alberta Junior Hockey League.
"I didn't know how I was going to do," James said. "It's a harder league than the AJ. I came in and worked hard. That was my main point. I thought the success would come from that."
It did
Dylan James is UND's top NHL Draft prospect
The freshman forward is expected to go in the second or third round of this week's NHL Draft.
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UND commit Abram Wiebe emerges as a prospect, becomes Vegas Golden Knights draft pick
The defenseman is set to play for the Chilliwack Chiefs in 2022-23, then come to campus the following year.
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Open question for the Mods: Why, 10 years after the University of North Dakota changed its athletic nickname and logos from something objectively racist, are those nicknames and logos still permitted to be used here? It's akin to deadnaming a transperson. There's only malicious intent behind it.
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OK.
Full disclosure, I'm not a UND fan nor do I live in N.D. or anywhere close but I've always liked the name and logo. I thought "Fighting Sioux" was a good name. I have no issue with Cleveland Indians or Atlanta Braves. Washington Redskins is a bit too much. In the CFL the Edmonton Eskimos changed their name to Elks but their logo remains a double E.
I didn't realize that it was 10 years since the name change.
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I freely admit to being a pedantic jerk when it comes to the business of minor league and college hockey, and I sometimes (often) have been known to blast people who I don't agree with. But I'd buy them a beer at the rink, because at the end of the day, we all love the game.
I'm the son of a North Dakota native who graduated from UND, and I never thought that the Cleveland or MLB team names were bad when I was younger. But now that I'm in my 50s and have kids who play sports, when I look back at the anti-Semitism I've experienced in my life, both in and outside of hockey, I think we can do without the ethnic nicknames. For example, if a state's flagship university had been the "Shylocks" with a caricature of a Jewish person, I'd think we'd all agree that a) was offensive and b) would have been changed by the 1990s at the latest. If sports, especially hockey, are truly "for everyone," as USA Hockey and the NHL spend so much money to tell us, then we'd all agree that mascots of this kind should be out of bounds.
Harvey Penick titled a book, "And If You play Golf, You're My Friend." I like to think the same way, generally, about hockey. We shouldn't use a mascot or team identity that would make a potential friend (or paying customer) cringe.
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That's a tough one to get my head around.
I did some reading on the name change debate and it's very interesting regarding the political level it achieved.
Part of the problem today is that a lot of these names were coined long ago when certain segments of society didn't have much of a voice. People used expressions and nicknames that were not viewed as demeaning at the time.
While I'm very much in favour of "righting the wrongs of the past", I'm also leery of overreacting to some things.
I'm older than you by a fair bit, but I'm a very modern thinker. I don't live in the 50's and I'm very tolerant to most things.
I never looked at UND the same way I look at other names.
Thanks for your insightful comment; it's given me something else to think about.
I did some reading on the name change debate and it's very interesting regarding the political level it achieved.
Part of the problem today is that a lot of these names were coined long ago when certain segments of society didn't have much of a voice. People used expressions and nicknames that were not viewed as demeaning at the time.
While I'm very much in favour of "righting the wrongs of the past", I'm also leery of overreacting to some things.
I'm older than you by a fair bit, but I'm a very modern thinker. I don't live in the 50's and I'm very tolerant to most things.
I never looked at UND the same way I look at other names.
Thanks for your insightful comment; it's given me something else to think about.
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Secondly, I'd ask you examine the conduct of Ralph Engelstad, who donated the money for the new arena with the stipulation that the logo never be changed, and as an insurance policy, had the logo literally etched in stone all over the arena. The man also venerated Hitler and Nazism, going so far as to host birthday parties for Hitler. Combine it all, and to me, the continued use of the nickname sure looks like it comes from a place of hate.
It only looks more hateful when you weight the "tradition of the name" as some kind of attempt at a celebration of the spirit of the Sioux people when the Standing Rock Reservation - twice the size of the State of Delaware and the home of the Sioux people today - is one of the poorest places in the United States, with rampant drug problems to go along with poverty. The unemployment rate in Standing Rock is over 50%, and 40% of families on the reservation live in poverty. You'll notice Ralph didn't do anything to actually keep the Sioux people alive... only the nickname and his $100M hockey arena.
We, as a people and as a hockey community, including this online hockey community, can do a whole lot better. And it starts with moving on from the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo, as the University of North Dakota did 10 years ago.
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Had the Standing Rock Reservation had allowed their reservation to vote on the name like Spirit Lake Reservation did the name would still be Fighting Sioux. Spirit Lake vote was 3 to 1 in keeping it and from all accounts the Standing Rock Reservation would of followed suit. I’ve talked to several Native Americans over the years and I’ve yet to have one tell me that they did not like the name but were proud of it. With that said they will always be the Fighting Sioux to me as that was the name when I went to school there in the 80’s.
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They'll always be the Fighting Sioux to you.
Now, Mods, let's change the thread title.
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Will this reading assignment content be on the final exam? Asking for a Dakota fan.
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Still better than US Postal service logo they have nowUND was once dubbed "The Flickertails", back when they had a really sharp logo.
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Ok, so you think the current logo sucks. Great argument you have for continuing to deadname the program.
