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Dakota Sioux

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GRAND FORKS — Dylan James admits he was a bit nervous before the 2021-22 hockey season.

In the previous 18 months, James barely played any hockey.

He got in just seven games during 2020-21 due to coronavirus pandemic restrictions and shutdowns in Alberta. Then, the UND commit attempted to make the jump to the United States Hockey League, a big step up from his previous spot, the Alberta Junior Hockey League.

"I didn't know how I was going to do," James said. "It's a harder league than the AJ. I came in and worked hard. That was my main point. I thought the success would come from that."

It did

www.grandforksherald.com

Dylan James is UND's top NHL Draft prospect

The freshman forward is expected to go in the second or third round of this week's NHL Draft.
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Dakota Sioux

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Five UND players who are undrafted free agents have accepted invites to participate in NHL development camps this summer.
Forward Riese Gaber, UND's leading scorer last season, will participate with the Boston Bruins. After he's done in Boston, he will meet with the Detroit Red Wings. Gaber, who is entering his junior season, is expected to become one of college hockey's most coveted free agents whenever he decides to leave school.
Defenseman and alternate captain Ethan Frisch will participate with the Washington Capitals. Frisch, who is entering his senior season, is coming off of a strong junior year. Frisch scored nine goals and tallied 15 points in 36 games, becoming a force on UND's power play.
Forward and captain Mark Senden will participate with his hometown Minnesota Wild. Senden, who will be a fifth-year senior, has had plenty of success in St. Paul already. He captained Wayzata High School to its first-ever boys hockey state title in Xcel Energy Center, home of the Wild.
Forward Louis Jamernik will participate with the Tampa Bay Lightning. Jamernik has played a season and a half at UND and has been an good find for the Fighting Hawks out of Okotoks in the Alberta Junior Hockey League. Jamernik had nine goals and 19 points in 37 games last season.
Defenseman Chris Jandric will participate with the Arizona Coyotes. Jandric, also entering his fifth-year senior season, transferred to UND last summer from Alaska (Fairbanks). Jandric became a mainstay in the top four of UND's blue line last season.
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Open question for the Mods: Why, 10 years after the University of North Dakota changed its athletic nickname and logos from something objectively racist, are those nicknames and logos still permitted to be used here? It's akin to deadnaming a transperson. There's only malicious intent behind it.
 
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CrazyEddie20 said:
Open question for the Mods: Why, 10 years after the University of North Dakota changed its athletic nickname and logos from something objectively racist, are those nicknames and logos still permitted to be used here? It's akin to deadnaming a transperson. There's only malicious intent behind it.
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I hope you're not serious.
 
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CrazyEddie20 said:
Open question for the Mods: Why, 10 years after the University of North Dakota changed its athletic nickname and logos from something objectively racist, are those nicknames and logos still permitted to be used here? It's akin to deadnaming a transperson. There's only malicious intent behind it.
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Whioux fans are a different breed.
 
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CrazyEddie20 said:
Totally serious.
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OK.
Full disclosure, I'm not a UND fan nor do I live in N.D. or anywhere close but I've always liked the name and logo. I thought "Fighting Sioux" was a good name. I have no issue with Cleveland Indians or Atlanta Braves. Washington Redskins is a bit too much. In the CFL the Edmonton Eskimos changed their name to Elks but their logo remains a double E.
I didn't realize that it was 10 years since the name change.
 
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AUS Fan said:
OK.
Full disclosure, I'm not a UND fan nor do I live in N.D. or anywhere close but I've always liked the name and logo. I thought "Fighting Sioux" was a good name. I have no issue with Cleveland Indians or Atlanta Braves. Washington Redskins is a bit too much. In the CFL the Edmonton Eskimos changed their name to Elks but their logo remains a double E.
I didn't realize that it was 10 years since the name change.
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I freely admit to being a pedantic jerk when it comes to the business of minor league and college hockey, and I sometimes (often) have been known to blast people who I don't agree with. But I'd buy them a beer at the rink, because at the end of the day, we all love the game.

I'm the son of a North Dakota native who graduated from UND, and I never thought that the Cleveland or MLB team names were bad when I was younger. But now that I'm in my 50s and have kids who play sports, when I look back at the anti-Semitism I've experienced in my life, both in and outside of hockey, I think we can do without the ethnic nicknames. For example, if a state's flagship university had been the "Shylocks" with a caricature of a Jewish person, I'd think we'd all agree that a) was offensive and b) would have been changed by the 1990s at the latest. If sports, especially hockey, are truly "for everyone," as USA Hockey and the NHL spend so much money to tell us, then we'd all agree that mascots of this kind should be out of bounds.

Harvey Penick titled a book, "And If You play Golf, You're My Friend." I like to think the same way, generally, about hockey. We shouldn't use a mascot or team identity that would make a potential friend (or paying customer) cringe.
 
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That's a tough one to get my head around.
I did some reading on the name change debate and it's very interesting regarding the political level it achieved.
Part of the problem today is that a lot of these names were coined long ago when certain segments of society didn't have much of a voice. People used expressions and nicknames that were not viewed as demeaning at the time.
While I'm very much in favour of "righting the wrongs of the past", I'm also leery of overreacting to some things.
I'm older than you by a fair bit, but I'm a very modern thinker. I don't live in the 50's and I'm very tolerant to most things.
I never looked at UND the same way I look at other names.
Thanks for your insightful comment; it's given me something else to think about.
 
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AUS Fan said:
That's a tough one to get my head around.
I did some reading on the name change debate and it's very interesting regarding the political level it achieved.
Part of the problem today is that a lot of these names were coined long ago when certain segments of society didn't have much of a voice. People used expressions and nicknames that were not viewed as demeaning at the time.
While I'm very much in favour of "righting the wrongs of the past", I'm also leery of overreacting to some things.
I'm older than you by a fair bit, but I'm a very modern thinker. I don't live in the 50's and I'm very tolerant to most things.
I never looked at UND the same way I look at other names.
Thanks for your insightful comment; it's given me something else to think about.
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Secondly, I'd ask you examine the conduct of Ralph Engelstad, who donated the money for the new arena with the stipulation that the logo never be changed, and as an insurance policy, had the logo literally etched in stone all over the arena. The man also venerated Hitler and Nazism, going so far as to host birthday parties for Hitler. Combine it all, and to me, the continued use of the nickname sure looks like it comes from a place of hate.

It only looks more hateful when you weight the "tradition of the name" as some kind of attempt at a celebration of the spirit of the Sioux people when the Standing Rock Reservation - twice the size of the State of Delaware and the home of the Sioux people today - is one of the poorest places in the United States, with rampant drug problems to go along with poverty. The unemployment rate in Standing Rock is over 50%, and 40% of families on the reservation live in poverty. You'll notice Ralph didn't do anything to actually keep the Sioux people alive... only the nickname and his $100M hockey arena.

We, as a people and as a hockey community, including this online hockey community, can do a whole lot better. And it starts with moving on from the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo, as the University of North Dakota did 10 years ago.
 
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Had the Standing Rock Reservation had allowed their reservation to vote on the name like Spirit Lake Reservation did the name would still be Fighting Sioux. Spirit Lake vote was 3 to 1 in keeping it and from all accounts the Standing Rock Reservation would of followed suit. I’ve talked to several Native Americans over the years and I’ve yet to have one tell me that they did not like the name but were proud of it. With that said they will always be the Fighting Sioux to me as that was the name when I went to school there in the 80’s.
 
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Dakota Sioux said:
Had the Standing Rock Reservation had allowed their reservation to vote on the name like Spirit Lake Reservation did the name would still be Fighting Sioux. Spirit Lake vote was 3 to 1 in keeping it and from all accounts the Standing Rock Reservation would of followed suit. I’ve talked to several Native Americans over the years and I’ve yet to have one tell me that they did not like the name but were proud of it. With that said they will always be the Fighting Sioux to me as that was the name when I went to school there in the 80’s.
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They'll always be the Fighting Sioux to you.

Now, Mods, let's change the thread title.
 
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UND was once dubbed "The Flickertails", back when they had a really sharp logo.

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